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One big mess

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Onebigmess · 27/07/2022 11:49

I am so broken I don't know where to begin.
Will attempt to be conscise but probably fail.

Been with "DP" 5 years. 3 year old child together and one each from prior marriage. Living together 4 years, he's 20 years older.
He's always been nasty. I moved house alone at 8 months preg, left me alone after c section, basically wasn't there for first yr after baby was born as "you were breastfeeding, I couldn't do anything and babies are a woman's job"...I expressed from him being 3 days old. There's hundred more examples but I'll move forward.
Found out 2 months ago he'd cheated on me during the first 6 months of our relationship. Messages to 5 other women, he was going on holiday and setting up dates via online dating for when he arrived, I had an unexpected preg during the first 6 months and he was telling me we would make it work, arranging our kids to meet but dating and sleeping with other women. Asked a woman to come over his house with no knickers and I was 3 months preg at the time. Denied it all for about a week, despite all text evidence, then said we were in a relationship- despite me having all texts saying he was coming off all dating sites to get to know me (later said he did, all the women he was with were people he already knew), also have messages saying he was only sleeping with me, I was his gf etc. When I first found out about it,.I was upset and said I thought he was disgusting and dirty and I wanted nothing to do with him. I asked him to leave and he said "I was going to leave anyway, you're dangerous" I stopped making my cup of retea.to ask what he meant and he said I may stab him!! I've never been violent in any way or threatened violence. He left for 2 days and when I said I didn't want him back he said he wouldn't want to get onto bed with me incase I accuse him of something! I have never ever done anything like that. He's told his friends and family I'm mentally unwell with anger issues, yet he shouts at me and insults and belittles me.

Anyway he's constantly lied about the cheating, even said cheating when I was preg didn't really count as I had a miscarriage anyway. Then said I didn't have a proper miscarriage as I didn't even bleed (had a MMC and took tablets and he was there when I bled).
He's been vile. Constantly telling me it's all my issue, I'm insecure and mentally ill. Started saying I had anxiety disorder, then decided personality disorder and then bipolar. I absolutely do not have these conditions. If I shut up, do what he wants and have no opinion and don't mention anything then all is well. If I mention a lie he has told then I'm mentally unwell.

We went to a counsellor who asked to see me on my own and asked why I was with him, said his behaviour is abusive and she was angry with him saying I'm mentally ill because I'm not (just anxious due to relationship).

He lied about the cheating, said he was "ending past relationships" but none of the women were relationships from the messages. All were new women he was pursing for dates and sex. Offering petrol money for a woman to come over, begging a woman to unblock him because he really wanted to meet her (I was preg). The issue is that this was in the first 6 months of our relationship. He thinks I'm ridiculous and mentally ill for being upset. I think he's lied to me throughout our relationship and let our kids meet whilst having sex with other women. Plus treated me awful since.
In the first few months of our relationship he went abroad, the day after he arrived home was using his phone in front of me and POF.com/Spain appeared. Stupid but didn't mention it at the time as I'd just found out I was pregnant and we had only been together 4 months. When I later mentioned it, he spent the rest of our relationship telling me he was deleting the app, it's all in my head because I'm insecure and anxious.
I stupidly spoke with his last week because I wanted reassurance and asked if he could promise he had been faithful since the last message I found (6 months into our relationship). He went nuts, told me I was bullying him and abusive and that he was going to leave me of I didn't apologise. I know he may not have liked me asking but I wasn't rude or insulting. I've been called evil, mental, if I don't do better next week he will leave me (keeps threatening this). We were meant to go on a couples night out (first night out together in 3 years), he messed me around as I was due to leave the house to come and meet him. Said I was insane, he didn't want to look at my face and would not be around me until I resolved the issues. I asked if I was meeting him and he said he didn't think I should go and didn't want to see me. When I didn't reply, half hour later he said if I behaved myself, showed with affection and not hate then I could come. I've not been rude or shown him hate. I'm hurt.

He's told me I should be grateful and thanking him for paying our rent (he earns really good money and I'm on nurses pay) and apparently it's insignificant that I spend all my pay on bills and pay everything for our child. He says my job is nothing and insignificant and I do nothing anyway and his job is hard (works 10 hrs a week).
Things came to another head last night. His brother died recently and my "DP" is due a large sum of money, he said we'd buy a house once this money came through (he already has a lot saved). Obviously things aren't great at the moment so I don't expect us to buy right now. However he didn't tell me he had the money through weeks ago and a large sum for our son. I found out from another family member who asked "did he buy you something nice" but I had no idea. When I asked him, he said it's not a big deal, it's his money and his family is nothing to do with me, I'm not his family. That really hurt. He said we've been arguing, why should I discuss his finances. However my arguement is that you can't pick and choose what part of a relationship to be involved in. I look after our child, never get a lie in (was supposed to last Thurs but he refused and told me to fuck off), do every bit of house work and he expects sex. Yet closes me of from things he doesn't want me part of. I've reduced work to look after our child (yes I know. Stupid) and pay all bills bar the rent and I'm seen as insignificant. I asked if we could both do a life insurance policy when our son wa sborn because we aren't married and don't own a home and if something happens I'm effectively homeless. He said no and he'd do a Will...3 years ago. If I ever asked about it I was a money grabber, he's even asked if Im planning on killing him. He told me months ago he had done it, I asked to see a copy last night and he said "yes of course, it's just not signed" so he's lied to me again and doesn't see an issue. That fact I care is me being a miserable bitch and destroying our life. He's now said there is no rush and he isn't planning on dying soon!!!!

I feel him betraying and cheating has worked in his favour because he's now saying he can't marry me or buy a house with me because I'm destroying our relationship and always miserable. He's told everyone I'm mentally ill. I hate myself. Im insecure about myself, how I look, I'm broken. I feel nothing to him and I feel bullied. I'm not allowed to bring up the past as it's abusive and he keeps threatening to leave but never does. My life is a mess. Am I an absusive bully, do I expect too much. I don't know what's normal anymore.

Also, he found a previous post and was angry. So if you recognise some of this, please don't judge. I need some support but if I'm caught he'll be angry.

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Motherofalittledragon · 31/07/2022 15:49

You need to leave this prick, he's brought you no happiness and never will.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 31/07/2022 15:53

velvetpeach · 27/07/2022 13:47

Ah the part time doctor again! It's been a while.....

You didn't leave him then?! Course you didn't. At least be honest about who you are so people don't waste their time.

Not this again. The OP is a complete fool and I've really no patience anymore. No excuse after all this time.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 31/07/2022 15:57

PuffinMcStuffin · 27/07/2022 20:30

So what are you going to do OP?

Stay with him because she loves him I expect.

Sapphirensteel · 31/07/2022 17:39

Why are you even bothering getting into any conversation with him?
Why read his texts/messages?
This is a long dead relationship. He seems to hate you, you don’t like him. Why would you keep on prolonging it?

katieg03 · 31/07/2022 17:49

Aquamarine1029 · 31/07/2022 01:01

You are your own worst enemy, op.

You know perfectly well that you should get rid of this man, yet you don't. I'm thinking you must like the drama in a very, very dysfunctional way. Your life could be infinitely better, so quickly, but you just won't let it be. You just keep allowing this man to poison your life.

Absolutely this! There are plenty of agencies and support services available. Use them or live like this for the rest of your life. He won't change. Have some self respect for you and your kids

jamsandwich1 · 31/07/2022 17:53

I’ve no idea why you are with him, there’s nothing that you’ve said that’s remotely redeeming. You know what you need to do.

AgentJohnson · 31/07/2022 18:01

I’m confused, why are you with him?

The non abusive version of him doesn’t exist, you waiting around for that version of him to appear is pointless.

You do yourself and kids no favours by staying with this toxic twat. LTB!

gotthearse · 31/07/2022 18:24

You are exposing your child to his abusive behaviours for as long as you stay. That must stop. You have to safeguard your child.

Tbh you dont sound up to kicking him out yourself.

Go and stay with your mum or best friend and get the blokes in your family to change the locks and turf him out - if that is an option.

If it isnt, you need to tell a professional that you are in an extremly psychologically abusive relationship, and have been gaslit to the extent that you can no longer make any rational decisions about the situation and need help to leave as you are unable to do so yourself.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 31/07/2022 18:28

@Onebigmess I am so broken I don't know where to begin.

No you are not broken, because if you were you would do something about this ridiculous scenario. Instead you write reams on here asking for help and support and ignore it because you are hanging on and hanging on to get this "doctor" to marry you and validate you.

I have absolutely no words, and I am glad about that, because you wouldn't listen. You listen to nobody, and think this absolute scum of the earth waste of oxygen is some prize.

You need serious help, and get it very quickly, because otherwise we will be reading about you in the news for all the wrong reasons.

And this is me #BeingKind.

Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 19:24

I know what I need to do. My self esteem is rock bottom, I hate myself. I'm continually told I'm mentally unstable and I don't understand it. Tonight he's told me the reason I verbally abuse him is because my dad abused me. I don't verbally abuse him! He's the one that insults me, I can only assume he wants to make me insecure and feeling crazy. So when I ask for reassurance it's evidence of how crazy I actually am.
I'm not trying to get him to marry me. Evidently that it not happening. I have nowhere to go and 2 children to look after. I can barely afford to pay my share of the bills with the cost of living increase, let alone be a single mum. I won't get a house anyway because I'd need evidence I can afford it but I don't work enough hours.

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Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 19:25

Even if I left he'd make my life hell. He keeps threatening to leave me because of my "abuse" but hasn't left yet.

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velvetpeach · 31/07/2022 21:13

You have options here, if you moved out you could claim benefits, increase work hours once your youngest (who must be almost 4 by now?) is in nursery/school. You could reach out to Women's Aid. Hell, there's so much you could do instead of making endless threads on here. There's no point anyone offering useful help as you have no intention of taking it.

At least fucking own it, that you wont leave because you still think he owes you something and you'd rather stick it out on the off chance he'll have a personality transplant. Oh and you would have to have a lower standard of living without his doctor's wages.

Take some responsibility for your part in this shitshow. You're not a victim at this point, you are choosing this.

I'll ask again, what about the fact he emotionally abused and bullies your eldest son?! Does his father know the toxic environment he is being forced to live in whilst his mum tries to force date nights on his obnoxious stepdad?

You hardly even mention your kids in all this. You are so obsessed with this worthless man and the status being "with him" grants you, how present can you be as a mother?!

Honestly you need intervention from somewhere in this, or your boys will grow up thinking this is normal. It's not. And neither is your reaction to it. Appalling.

Gingerandgivingzerofucks · 31/07/2022 21:20

Your poor children. Why are you putting them through this? I mean, he is, not you, but you know he won’t change. It is totally pointless being with him.

Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 21:20

@velvetpeach your comments about status are very unfair. I I'm no way stay in.this relationship for any kind of status. What status? My whole family, my friends - they all hate him.
I can't just move out and claim benefits. How do I move out without any money to begin with? I can't claim benefits until I move out but can't move out until I claim benefits.

My youngest son turned 3 a few months ago and will get 10 hours free a week of funded nursery, which doesn't enable much time for working extra. However once he is in school (in.another year or so) I will absolutely be working more and able to put more money away. I don't think I said he abuses my older child? They don't really see a lot of each other to be honest.

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stillvicarinatutu · 31/07/2022 21:21

Op
I was with someone very similar until 3 years ago .

Being alone is so much easier, my god I can relax ! What is it that stops you leaving ? Or turfing him out ?
It seems like you have a history of posting plaintiff cries for help but then do nothing ?
What help do you need ?

Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 21:22

And we don't have this amazing standard of living either. We live in.a rented house that I pay all the bills for (he pays the rent). I also buy everything for the children. He works little, so his overall wage is in no way providing a life of luxury. It is very standard.

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stillvicarinatutu · 31/07/2022 21:25

Ok so what's stopping you from ditching this bell end because you know full well it's abusive and destructive?
Why stay ? If you say you love him I'm gonna hide the fixking thread .
Many women have been here op. Gather up your bloody pride and fuck this waster off . I promise you - yes it will be hard for a bit but then you'll feel like a weight has been lifted . A dead weight . A dead tosser sized weight .

C0mfyChairP0se · 31/07/2022 21:27

Go to a women's refuge.
It will be hard to start again but you only have one life and you're wasting it.
Take action.

you posted here because you know you need to do something.
If he's at work tomorrow go to a refuge and tell them what you've said here.

This isn;t endurable. Nobody could tolerate it.

xx

stillvicarinatutu · 31/07/2022 21:29

Why not
Call womens aid for advice?

And have you any friends or family that can help support you while you get out of this mess ?

C0mfyChairP0se · 31/07/2022 21:30

I agree, being alone is bliss after this hell.

I left with a rucksack and two toddlers. he attacked me as I left so BE CAREFUL, hide your history.

I never for a minute regretted it. It was hard, getting set up with benefits and filling in a million forms but nothing was as hard as life with him.

He was kryptonite.

I wish you strength now.

Think about when it would be best to escape. Take a deep breath and go for it.

Every single night for at least five years I got in to my own bed without him in it and thought thank God. I couldn't have been happier to be on my own.

I have my own secure job, secure home, have some savings, have a pension. It's been fifteen years since I left and life isn't fantastic the second you leave but on your own without an albatross round your neck sucking the life out of you, you will be able to make decisions that are right for your future.

Please don't waste your life. You get one.

stillvicarinatutu · 31/07/2022 21:35

Op
You can do this people do all the time .

I left with a suitcase and my dog . Stayed with family for 3 months to save some money then rented a place alone . There is help available.

Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 21:37

Thank you for the replies.

I'm so sorry to hear of those who have been through similar and it's reassuring knowing you have moved on and life has improved.

I do completely understand that eventually I'd be ok and I would relax. For now I worry how I'd survive. Surely I can't go to a refuge/women's aid, I can't imagine they just let anybody in.

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GreenManalishi · 31/07/2022 21:38

There's no house he could buy you, no lump sum of money he could give to your kids that would make this shit worth sitting another day in. He will destroy your life, and that of your children given the opportunity, and it's up to you to stop that happening. Nobody else can do it for you, nor will they.

No, you don't know which way is up, because that's how he wants it. Your self esteem is probably on the floor but it's not going to get any better until you get away from him. You don't have the clarity of mind to fully see what's going on, and I'd really strongly suggest you seek some help. Womens' Aid have a live chat service as a start, here is a link.

Please make sure you keep the fact that you're going to leave to yourself, you need to get yourself and your kids away from this man, you know this at least. Enlist some help to do so. One foot in front of the other, just do the next right thing.

Onebigmess · 31/07/2022 21:39

Forgot to say that I have a fantastic family but they all live 2 hours away. I wouldn't want to move back to where I grew up for a few reasons. Mostly because I have friends here, wouldn't want to leave my job and my eldest child's father is local.

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stillvicarinatutu · 31/07/2022 21:41

Op . I get the feeling you're deeply unhappy but making excuses.

Womens aid have a helpline and are there for anyone . Ring them . You are lost and you don't know how to get out of this and they can tell you.