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Really need some thoughts on this please.

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EmbossedGlass · 26/07/2022 09:10

I have posted previously about this...

Earlier this year, a 'friend' of mine began behaving oddly towards/around my boyfriend - lots of very ott flirting, touching him, essentially, making a bit of a fool of herself. Meanwhile, her behaviour towards me also changed - she stopped speaking to me entirely and, when she did, made little digs.

He didn't directly tell her to stop because he said he didn't want to make her feel awkward but he gave her no encouragement, moved away from her, ignored her efforts and hoped that she would take the hint. However, he had said that he would say something if the hints hadn't worked. But it wasn't necessary.

She largely seems to have done so and has backed off a lot. Not completely but her interactions with him are far more within 'normal parameters' now and she's no longer 'throwing herself at him'. Essentially, she's not behaving like a dick anymore.

But I'm really struggling with it all now. She, as predicted by some on here, changed her approach when she was not getting the desired response from him. She sent me a couple of messages asking how I was, saying that she knew we hadn't spoken for a while and being all friendly. I, as advised, was civil in responses but didn't engage any further - which suited me. But I can't tolerate being around her. I can't look at her and I can't be in the same space as her at all. I walked past her a few weeks ago and didn't stop to speak. She confronted me and asked "Are we good?" I just said I wasn't feeling well - which was a truth but not the whole truth.

She's now returned to smiling and hugging me when we meet unless I actively stay away from her. She only does it when he is there though. I feel it is more manipulation as I can't avoid it without looking like I'm being a dick.

Other people have recently commented on her behaviour to me - everyone has seen. One guy (as I said previously) joked that she has a crush on my partner; he feels she is jealous of me; other people have suggested that they feel sorry for her to be so desperate for male attention and others have speculated that all is not well in her own relationship. I said I felt it made look like a twat. Others have disagreed and said she's making a fool of herself and not me. But I can't see it like that. Not in a way that sticks.

I'm too old to be putting up with this shit. I just want to walk away from all of it. The group and the hobby. But, in doing so, I will effectively be ending my relationship too.

I said in first thread that I'm autistic and so things are very black and white to me. In my mind, I don't feel respected and I can't be part of it anymore. I don't have people pleasing tendencies and have no qualms in telling people what I think or walking away but I don't really want to walk away from the group or the hobby and I certainly don't want to walk away from my relationship but, at the moment, I'm struggling to see an alternative or a way of moving past it other than walking away from it all and shutting it off like none of it ever existed.

It occupies pretty much all my waking thoughts just rattling around in my head (autism). I can't get out of my head on this one.

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EmbossedGlass · 26/07/2022 14:40

Yeah, I know...

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Dic · 26/07/2022 18:09

He's worried about embarrassing her but not worried that her behaviour is embarrassing you

Do you like him enough to care about this? If not I'd sack him off I think.

EmbossedGlass · 26/07/2022 20:37

I think it's because he doesn't see that inhave Amy reason to be embarrassed. In his eyes, she's making a bit of a fool of herself.

But that doesn't account for how I feel.

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Catlover1970 · 26/07/2022 21:13

I think you’ve allowed this situation to completely take over your life. I feel sorry for your fella.

Jusrollinstones · 28/07/2022 01:26

OP, I know how you feel. There is a similar woman in my walking group who has tried it on with my DH and others and it stops me enjoying the activities.

I found out that a lot of people in the group laugh at her behaviour and some dislike her but no one wanted to speak up because they didn’t want the drama.

I wanted to organise a BBQ for the group and not invite her and was worried about that causing drama, but the advice I was given on here was that it is OK. Can you arrange some activities where she is not included? If she finds out, you or a friend could tell her she wasn’t invited because she had embarrassed herself.

AgnestaVipers · 28/07/2022 01:35

Ditch the friendship. Problem solved.

EmbossedGlass · 28/07/2022 10:09

OK, well, tbh it's the group element of it that has got me stuck the most - parties, nights put in the pub, gigs... I don't want to miss out, I don't want to endure her company but I don't actually want her to feel ostracised either. I wish she'd just grow up.

I've spoken with one RL friend about it. He suggested low self esteem and learned behaviour (it's just how she's learnt to interact with men). And she might not even realise she's doing it to the extent she is.

Anyway. We went out last night for the weekly hobby. Her attempts at attention seeking were completely ignored. So she stopped participating and just stood there. No response, so she left the room for 10 mins. It's all just drama. But then, as we remember with children - all behaviour is communication. What is she communicating?

She has messaged this morning asking me why the silent treatment as its been going on for weeks.

I could just ignore it or I could, for the sake of the group, speak to her about it.

It's possible that this is just more manipulation. It's possible some of her behaviours are subconscious and she has no idea the impact she is having on those around her. It how she is perceived. Or that people are speculating all sorts. I'm not actually comfortable with that either.

I'd rather speak in person than do it over WA or something for various reasons.

One thing I did notice was that her husband completely ignored her last night when it was obvious 'something' was going on.

I've no idea if he's completely oblivious and that's part of the problem or if he's just seen it all before and so ignores.

I found out that a lot of people in the group laugh at her behaviour and some dislike her but no one wanted to speak up because they didn’t want the drama.

Yep...

Should I call her and talk? Or not? I feel if not and she's painting me to others as ignoring her, and also ignoring her attempts to address it, then it makes me the bad guy. And i just want it to stop tbh.

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girlmom21 · 28/07/2022 10:10

I'd call her and talk. It can't get any worse.

EmbossedGlass · 28/07/2022 10:12

We've all got a hobby related weekend away this weekend. The last thing I want is any division in the group or for people to feel the needs to take sides. I don't want it to escalate.

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EmbossedGlass · 28/07/2022 10:12

It's not a big enough group for it to be hidden. There are only about a dozen of us.

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EmbossedGlass · 28/07/2022 10:13

girlmom21 · 28/07/2022 10:10

I'd call her and talk. It can't get any worse.

That's very true.

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Havesomeselfrespect · 28/07/2022 11:41

In my situation, I got a mutual friend to speak to the woman. The friend said told her she was embarrassing herself and other people with her behaviour towards other people’s partners and it was spoiling the group so there were some events that she wasn’t being invited to. This only happened a few days ago so I am waiting to see if there is any fall out.

Is there someone who could speak to her for you?

EmbossedGlass · 28/07/2022 15:51

Not really anyone else I could involve.

Realised that I needed to just speak to her so I called 🤷🏻‍♀️

It went as well as I expected. She was very defensive - denied having even spoken to him for months 🙄 I said that patently wasn't true because there wouldn't have been anything to notice if that were the case. I knew what to expect because I know other people who've tried to address issues with her and she gets very 'aggressive' in her tone and raises her voice to 'shout you down'. And just denies.

She said she was going to ask everyone else to see if they'd noticed anything 🙄 I hope she doesn't..! That would just be embarrassing for all concerned and involve others in the drama.

I was contacted by someone else this morning asking about her attention seeking behaviour last night and whether I knew anything So it hasn't gone unnoticed generally.

It ended about as civilly as it could have. And then she messaged my boyfriend to apologise to him including details of what I'd said which we both took as being designed to smoke me out if I was bullshitting about he and I being on the same page. And also designed to elicit a lot of reassurances which he isn't going to give.

He hadn't replied when I spoke with him. He said he's either going to say nothing (no response is a response, right?) Or just say thank you (to acknowledge the apology.)

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