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Was I expecting too much? I feel like a horrible person

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Treysopp · 22/07/2022 11:05

ex dp was generally a decent man I think. Could be kind when I was unwell, was quite quiet and reserved, hard working, etc. Not argumentative.

the only red flag at the start was he was late 30s and his longest relationship had been four months on, then off, then long distance for four months again.

as time went on we talked about a family and he said mid forties was his ideal time, which would have made me 38. He said women always panicked about this but it would be fine because it was all media hype anyway. He worked in research and was v high up so I think felt his view overrode mine on this. I said getting a fertility check only was a snapshot. Eventually he agree to try when he was 40 after I said I needed a timeline or I would have to end things.

it materialised after a year that everyone at work thought he was single and an older woman used to smack his bum in passing and suggest he went out with people in the wider team who were single etc. I asked why he didn’t say he was in a relationship and he just said she said it to everyone and he would tell her next time.

another occasion he went up to get a prescription for me as I couldn’t move from
the waiting area as I was in pain and he referred to me as his friend. I found this v upsetting but again maybe as case of me being over the top.

the first year we were together it was like pulling teeth to go away for the weekend. He wouldn’t take time off and I think we had one full day out together which was going to another city for the day. We eventually went away around 18 months into the relationship for three nights as he didn’t want to go abroad, too much hassle (not a finance problem).

when I was pregnant he accuses me of poking holes in the condom. It was a shock to us but clearly we had been using protection. I found this really upsetting. I asked if he wanted a termination and he said no but didn’t actually mention to anyone that I was pregnant even when I was 5 months. He still hadn’t told his family and was really weird with me when I wanted to tell mine. his drinking got worse and he got pulled for drink driving, actually photographed by a fellow driver drinking gin neat at the wheel at a roundabout. He later implied I had contributed to his state on that day due to our arguments.

I felt really vulnerable about the pregnancy and was quite argumentative, I felt like he didn’t care I was stressed and hormonal. He ended things one day without telling me.. he had been living at mine (and paying his way) and just left. I tried to contact him and he wouldn’t respond. All my messages went through but I heard absolutely nothing. I claimed maintenance as he wouldn’t respond and he pays a fee each month as it’s by collection… the extreme end of CM services. I also have a deduction of 4% because he has not paid voluntarily. I assume that he had enough of the rows and to be honest my attitude was shit in pregnancy, I was v stressed. But I don’t know for sure as he never explained. I know from a very close friend that he’s single, still living alone, still obsessed with his papers and work.

I feel like it was all my fault. He had good points, he was caring, he was generous with money, he was good fun when on form. He would buy food I liked and enjoyed going for dinner or a nice walk. He was quiet mostly. I wonder if I didn’t accept him as he was and that’s on me. Maybe it’s ok to keep the relationship a secret from work and the same with a pregnancy. Did I need to be upset that a pharmacist thought we were just friends. I should have sought help for my anxiety in pregnancy. Is it the end of the world he didn’t want a holiday, some people don’t and at least he was hard working. These thoughts go over in my head so much and yesterday DC asked where their dad was. It all came flooding back, the mistakes, what I did, how I could answer them. I’ve not slept thinking about it.

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Watchkeys · 22/07/2022 11:10

I wonder if I didn’t accept him as he was and that’s on me

Yes, that's precisely it. It's all on you. Because he was doing things you didn't like, and you responded by not being happy about it. It being 'on you' doesn't mean it was you doing wrong.

Do you think you should accept everybody, regardless of how their actions make you feel? If not, why do you think you did wrong in not accepting this man who made you feel unhappy?

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 22/07/2022 11:16

Why do these threads always start out with what a good decent man he is then two or three paragraphs down it turns out he pretends he’s single or harms children or likes to chase sheep during lambing season or has defrauded the public of billions by giving covid contracts to his friends?

Treysopp · 22/07/2022 11:18

@Watchkeys i mean maybe these things weren’t actually unkind or mean, it’s just him and they were reasonable ways for him to behave? I can’t bear DC asking about him because it makes me re live these times and ask myself again, this was my fault. He wasn’t a bad man etc etc

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Treysopp · 22/07/2022 11:19

@PeekabooAtTheZoo he wasn’t pretending he was single to meet other women though. He’s rarely had relationships and he’s still single now. A close friend works with him. That’s what makes me think it wasn’t malicious, and just him

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GreenManalishi · 22/07/2022 11:28

Oh mate he sounds like a total fun sponge. However, I think you definitely didn't see what was in front of your face, the signs were there for sure, but you ignored them and hoped for the best and concentrated on what you saw were his good points. You are not the first woman in the world to have done this and you won't be the last. Try not to be so hard on yourself, there are plenty of secure stable kids out there with all kinds of weird and wonderful family arrangments, a single mum is definitely not the end of the world. Witnessing your parents in an unhealthy dynamic where one of them is mad with the other because of who he is, and the other one is drinking at the wheel, far far worse.
Did you need to be upset? You were, and that's ok, it's a normal human emotion, and that's not why this didn't work out. Should you have sought help for your anxiety? Possibly, but you didn't and if you had it wouldn't have changed who he was. Is it the end of the world you didn't go on holiday? No, absolutely not, but again, that's not your issue.
Get the counselling, work out why you chose him, and don't do it again.

Watchkeys · 22/07/2022 11:29

But do you think that you're compatible with any man, as long as he can be deemed reasonable?

He didn't do things how you liked. So you weren't compatible. Some people just don't fit together. There doesn't have to be fault or blame.

You're trying to make a situation where your feelings are irrelevant. But they are relevant, they really really matter. If I can't bear rats, and I find that my partner has got a pet rat, then I can't just over ride my feelings and decide not to have a rat phobia. The relationship just wouldn't work, not because somebody was wrong or 'at fault', but because we didn't fit. Ignoring my feelings would leave me in a situation that'd cause me huge anxiety, because I'd be continually trying to make myself deal with something I didn't like.

That's where anxiety comes from; trying to deal with being treated in ways that make us uncomfortable. And the kicker is that by blaming yourself, here, you are the one who is imposing rules on you, and then breaking them. You are the one saying 'I shouldn't feel uncomfortable, but I keep feeling it anyway.'

Stop judging your feelings. There are no 'shoulds'. You didn't get on with his way of living and his way of treating you. He didn't make you happy. Accept that. Most people aren't compatible with most people, and that's fine.

It's a good education for kids to learn that sometimes, people just don't match, and that we need to accept that, and move on when we get ourselves into that sort of relationship. If your parents had instilled that into you, you'd be dealing with this situation with a lot less anxiety, wouldn't you? Do your kid a favour; demonstrate that walking away without blaming is the best way out of any relationship that doesn't work.

Acheyknees · 22/07/2022 11:30

Some people are not suited to being in a relationship/having a family. Your ex is a prime example. The reason he never had a long term relationship before you is because he never wanted one and doesn't want to commit to one. This doesn't make him a bad man. He just doesn't want the same as you, it sounds like he is work driven and relationships are second to this.
You on the other hand want more, probably like his past partners. Neither of you are unreasonable, you just want different things.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 22/07/2022 11:31

OP, he was a nightmare! More red flags than Chinese new year. I’d just be glad this no-hoper was safely out of your and DC’s lives.

So don’t blame yourself for his weird personality. Just be happy with DC.

sleepymum50 · 22/07/2022 11:32

Not admitting you were his girlfriend, or telling anyone about you or your pregnancy is NOT normal.

I think doing that to any women would maker her insecure and I think your behaviour was entirely justified.

I am thinking that by not telling anyone about you, he was able to maintain his identity as a single man in his head. He was never committed to you and was always a hairsbreadth from leaving you. Your behaviour didn’t make him leave, he would have left sooner or later because he just can’t handle relationships.

Because no one knew about you, he doesn’t have to explain anything to work colleagues, friends or family. I wonder if he went into the relationship knowing he wanted to keep his options open to bale out at any time.

Please don’t beat yourself up about this, I don’t think you could have done any different.

He is the arse for leaving you with a child.

MadeleineBassettHound · 22/07/2022 11:33

You weren’t expecting too much, you were expecting too little- the writing was on the wall with this one from the off. Nothing you could have done would have turned him into the man you wanted him to be and it sounds like you’re far better off without him.

cheyenne12 · 22/07/2022 11:38

Congratulations you were with my-exes doppleganger, you survived being in the situation, you will definitely be fine but you have to move on.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/07/2022 11:56

He said women always panicked about this but it would be fine because it was all media hype anyway. He worked in research and was v high up so I think felt his view overrode mine on this

Dissmising your concerns like that is a red flag. It's not true about "media hype", if you wait to 38 and anything goes wrong you have no time left.

He is just the kind of person who makes pronouncements. Someone who says things that he knows nothing about or that he made up on the spot or that are convenient for him, in exactly the same way as he talks about things he is really an expert on. And you thought that because of his status he must know what he is talking about. He fooled you.

And the only reason he "wasn't argumentative" is because you believed him and didn't tell him he was talking bollocks.

In his head he believes he is reasonable but that doesn't mean he is reasonable. This song might have been written for your ex.

he wasn’t pretending he was single to meet other women though.

So what? Prentending he wasn't in a relationship with you for no good reason is still a shit thing to do. It is extremely disrespectful to you.

The only thing you did wrong was putting up with him for so long. If you'd left him sooner you could have been with someone nicer. I hope you are living a much happier life now.

Treysopp · 22/07/2022 11:59

@AmaryllisNightAndDay

i guess on some level it was his information to share at work and if he wanted that side of his life private then that’s ok? I don’t know. It definitely felt disrespectful and also felt horrible at the pharmacist too. Mostly I found it odd and unsettling.

just feel awful for DC that they ask about him and I have no real answers. I left the door open for him to get in touch he just never did.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/07/2022 12:02

It all came flooding back, the mistakes, what I did, how I could answer them. I’ve not slept thinking about it

He left because he couldn't cope with the ordinary give and take of a normal relationship and the ups and downs of normal family life. It's that simple.

Sittingonabench · 22/07/2022 12:07

More often than not when relationships don’t work out it’s nobody’s fault. He was who he was - it made you unhappy and your behaviour changed. Aspects of his life will also have impacted his behaviour. He decided your relationship was detrimental to you both and left. Even if there was no malice in his actions - you were unhappy and incompatible. I would just be honest with your child about that when they are old enough.

Rainbowqueeen · 22/07/2022 12:08

I think sone people are not meant to be in relationships and he is one of those. Everything you say about him points to that.

I think he would have behaved in the same way no matter who he was with. This is on him.

However it’s clearly had an impact on you and you have your DC to consider. I’d look at some therapy so you can help your DC to deal with having an absent father in a healthy way. Remind yourself it’s better than a crap father

Be kind to yourself. We all do the best we can with the situation we are in. When we know better, we do better.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/07/2022 12:11

i guess on some level it was his information to share at work and if he wanted that side of his life private then that’s ok?

Yes of course it is his decision to make. But "that side of his life" is "the side of his life that involves you". Why does it need to be so "private"? Is that normal behaviour? And why should anyone like to be with a man who decides that he can't or wont tell his workmates he has a partner?

He just sounds very messed up.

ThanksAntsThants · 22/07/2022 12:15

He was generally a decent man apart from being an absolute complete and utter bastard.

CheeseTopping · 22/07/2022 12:16

How old is your child now?

You did absolutely nothing wrong. He's strange and in the wrong. Bet his family don't know he has a child.

whynotwhatknot · 22/07/2022 12:18

he accused you of getting pregnant on purpose without his consent he drink drives and then blames you then wont even pay his maintenance till hes forced to

thats not incompatibility thats abusive

junebirthdaygirl · 22/07/2022 12:21

Do his family even know about his ds at this stage?
He would have continued to drive you mad going forward. He was never going to change and his weird ways would have got on your nerves constantly

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 22/07/2022 12:32

I'm still gobsmacked at him allowing a woman at work to slap his arse.

queenMab99 · 22/07/2022 12:46

It doesn't sound as if you were unreasonable, he might have been very kind and generous, but treating you as if you were a secret that he was ashamed of, is awful, and no one deserves that. It is probably a good thing that he left, as you seem to be a loving and loyal person, and had put up with his behaviour for far too long. Do not waste any more time or emotion thinking about this, and wondering if you could have done better. He obviously could not cope with normal human relationships and you and your child will be fine on your own. You will find an age appropriate way to explain to your DC why you and his father are not together, without placing blame.

Treysopp · 22/07/2022 12:51

@CheeseTopping 2 and a bit. It’s the first time any vague reference has been made to him.

His family know, they were in touch in pregnancy but have never met their grandchild, I offered and left the door open with them too

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Treysopp · 22/07/2022 12:53

@junebirthdaygirl they know about DC but never met them. I offered and left the door open to them.

I lost my temper a lot with him as I couldn’t understand his behaviour. He could be nice in lots of ways though and I haven’t found anyone since, not that I’ve been looking

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