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Cheating discovery after 10 years.

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Jane3910 · 18/07/2022 01:17

Hello, I decided to post tonight because maybe getting all of this shit out of my brain and onto the page will help in some way, maybe gain some perspective.

Background, been with my bf for 23 years. A bit turbulent and on-and-off in our 20's but no cheating that I'm aware of. 2007 we use my inheritance to buy a house and settle down, 2009 we have a son. We've had a few rough patches but overall I've always felt very safe with him and have never questioned his loyalty. We are both pretty anti-social and like to exist in our own bubble, away from the dramas of life.

He's told me before how he met his first gf on holiday, and that they didnt live in the same town but their parents facilitated visits together, and he lost his virginity to her at 14 years old.

So a couple of months ago a letter came to the house addressed to my bf. He was puzzled and asked me if I recognized the handwriting. I didn't. He read the letter, then stated, "What the fuck is wrong with people, thank you for being normal." He then threw the letter in the bin. He told me that it was from his first ever gf and that she was basically telling him that them having sex so young has had a negative affect on all her relationships with men and that she felt pressured into sex.

I tried to be supportive and said I'd like to read the letter, but I didn't demand to see it because he has his right to privacy.

Anyway, I had a really bad feeling in my gut. So the next morning I fished out the letter from the bin. It read pretty much like he said, but this part was dodgy as fuck. "My life has not been an easy life by any means and I made a lot of mistakes. I tried correcting these demons by correcting my behaviour, you did not. In actual fact you made it 100% worse in 2012 by coming back into my life, making me believe we could have something, taking what you want (sex) yet again and then destroying me."

So, I confront him, he says she's mental and it's not true, she's trying to cause trouble. I accept that but I'm also uneasy about it all. I trust my bf with my life and it is truly reality shattering to believe that he could cheat.

After a day or two I can't cope. I say, "tell me her name and let me see your facebook or I don't see how we can continue in a loving, trusting relationship." He says, "no, you should trust me, I've been faithful all these years, I could never cheat on you." And he deletes his facebook.

So I've said "Okay, it's over then. Without trust, there is no relationship and it's only right that you should be able to reassure me here and be transparent."

So, okay, I've now technically 'dumped' him. He then tells me her full name, and says, "You can be best friends" but says with regards to the facebook I can "fuck off."

For the next 5 weeks I sleep in the spare room and we pretty much ignore each other, I'm suspicious but still in hopeful denial. In this time I have found her online and messaged her. She blocked me at first. I then messaged her that I would send a letter to her home if she did not respond. She messaged me her phone number and I called it. My head was spinning and I hadn't planned out my questions but here is what I remember of her version. She feels like he always instigated the sex when they were young and this has affected all her relationships with men since. She said in 2012 that she messaged him on fb when her marriage was ending and they chatted for 2/3 months, they met up twice where they just talked and then met once in a hotel where they had sex. She says that he then said that he 'couldn't leave his son' and then he blocked her on everything. And so she wrote the letter to him now because she thinks of this when she's depressed. She told me that they were supposed to get together when he left school and joined the airforce. (I met him during his first posting in the airforce)

I tell him I've spoke to her and that she knows a lot of personal details down to the tattoo on his chest. He tells me I'm gullible and a terrible person to 'blow up' our family on the say so of a stranger.

So like I said, this gaslighting period lasted about 5 weeks and finally through a lot of tears, I told him he's a sociopath to leave me in this state of confusion and that I will just have to accept I'll never know the truth and move on with my life and find somebody new.

It was then that he came out with his confession.

His version, she messaged him and it was nice to feel wanted so he chatted with her for a few weeks, met up on his lunch break twice then met her at a hotel when I was at my mums for the week. He says he felt like he was 14 again, it felt abstract, like a fairytale, and he thought that I didn't want him and we'd (me and our 2 year old son) be happier without him, he says he wanted to see if there was another life for him. He says as soon as he slept with her, reality hit and he just felt guilt and shame and sex wasn't the same with someone you didn't love. He says that she was on about 'running away together', so he tried to tell her he didn't want to carry on and then blocked her.

He says he's sorry and regrets it, he says he lied because he was scared. Since his confession he's been supportive and has answered everything I've asked of him. He seems genuinely remorseful, or sad that he's been found out maybe. Either way, I feel so broken that even though he's the perpetrator of my pain, I am looking to him for comfort and reassurance.

So it's been about 2 weeks since he told me the 'truth' and I'm all over the place. Mostly we've both been super clingy, I've cried a lot, we've been intimate a lot and talked a lot and he's been very caring and apolegetic. I think the anger is beginning to set in now though, I've said some horrible things to him about how I can't wait to do the same thing to him.

A complicating factor is that he had a stroke a year ago and as a result he is unable to work and I am his carer, so we are at home together most of the time and he is dependent on me for transport anywhere.

There is such a lot of baggage to unpack here, I really don't know where to start. I'm unable to function properly, I'm crying everyday, I can't stop thinking about it, but it was 10 years ago, I should just forget it right?

But if he's capable of that level of selfishness then what else has he done? He's completely untrustworthy. My whole life is built on a false belief, how can I not feel like he's robbed me of the last 10 years? I think back to that time in 2012 and we were happy, enjoying having a toddler together, how could he do this?

We've had some horrible rough patches is the last 10 years, how many of those were due to his guilt and shame? or maybe resentment at being stuck with me? Is he being so nice to me now because he's disabled and so dependent on me? How can I believe a word he says now?

My feelings are just in massive conflict right now, I want him to hug me and comfort me tell me he loves me while at the same time I feel like the only way to deal with my feelings of betrayal are to replace all those terrible thoughts with thoughts of me betraying him.

Is it worse or better that it was ten years ago? I'm now reformatting every memory over the last 10 years to this new reality and it's all just so painful. I've been tricked into being loyal, I don't know how to move forward from this.

OP posts:
LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:44

As to the lying past few weeks, that's just lying out of fear of consequences not because he's deceptive per se.

"He's only lied to your face repeatedly ause he was caught out shagging another woman, cut him some slack"

Smh.

As some other posters have said in other threads - what had happened to mn.
Can only presume the posters are betrayed spouses who've kept their cheaters.

billy1966 · 18/07/2022 18:44

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:27

I do disagree with what you wrote about the last 10 years being a lie.

It is a lie because op lived her life rather him for the last ten years on the basis of their relationship being mutually exclusive and monogamous.

But it was not.

Not sure why that needs explained.

Too right the OP has every right to feel she was living a lie.

He absolutely broke any commitment they had with each other as he contemplated whether he would stay!

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:07

In actual fact you made it 100% worse in 2012 by coming back into my life, making me believe we could have something, taking what you want (sex) yet again and then destroying me."

Didn't he tell you some absolute BS that didn't make any sense about the "taking what you want (sex) yey again ' part, trying to gas light you I to believing she wasnt referring to sex with him. All the while knowing hed snagged her.

And it sounds like he future faked her too (which you always expect in affairs anyway- because the vast vast majority of women don't get involved with men who say they're committed to and love their wife, and have no intention of leaving) .... and he essentially confirmed that with the comment about a different life.

Even when he cut her off he didn't say "I've realised I dont want to leave my partner (and I don't want to live separately from my son) which wouldn't have effected anything, because he was dumping her anyway; he apparently only said his son. So he was telling her you weren't the reason, even when when was ending it.

She's been honest about everything else apparently so why would she lie about that.

I'm very sorry but he doesnt sound like he values you personally all that much. He had an affair and considered leaving you, you've never married, he mentioned only his son when ending the affair ..... It sounds more like pragmatism, convenience, habit etc- (no doubt even more so after he had the stroke and needed stability, continuity etc.).

MrMrsJones · 18/07/2022 19:08

His Facebook isn't gone. My partner came off FB 3 years ago and deleted it. However it popped up and he was able to log back in and "delete" it again.

He is a lier, a cheat and is worried his cushy life has come to an end.

cottagegardenflower · 18/07/2022 19:12

It's a very fine balance on whether you can forgive and move on. Would a trial separation and counselling help

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:13

He was arrogant and punished you when you questioned him about the letter.

He's called her mental, a woman it sounds like he was sexually coercive towards when she was 13 (?), i know he was not much older but nonetheless...... and then had an affair with and dumped when she was a new, vulnerable divorce.

Well he's arguably contributed a wee tiny bit to her mh problems, if she has them.

He had zero remorse or empathy toward her either, hence his comments on her when receiving the letter.

Cakecakecheese · 18/07/2022 19:19

I mean flat out denial is bad enough but calling you a terrible person and gullible was really low, no matter how 'scared' he was. I would really doubt he's actually sorry and is more sorry he got caught.

This is quite a lot to deal with so do make sure you have support.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:25

Worth mentionng again that ow was pilloried in the last thread and claimed to be lying aboit the sexual coercion because (if believed, which some posters did not) she got involved with op's partner again ..... yet every week on here therevis a woman in a marriage or ltr who is stressed/uncomfortable to some extent because her partner is sexually coercive, yet does not recognise that he is sexually coercive. Day to day, for years.

Yet this vulnerable new divorce, looking back on an early teens relationship, probably with rose tinted glasses, was supposed to realise it ten yrs ago .... and ideas about sexual coercion and consent have only come into prominence quite recently too.

It's fair to say, sexual coercion was considered bots being boys, men being men, depicted in films as harmless/natural, being intimate at all was thought to rule out coercion, and consenting once with a bf or partner was seen as ongoing consent.

She has come to realise it retrospectively.

What I'm pointing out is that ops partner was, in all likelihood, sexually coercive to a previous gf - as well as being a lying cheat - and that is something worth major consideration.

vipersnest1 · 18/07/2022 19:25

@Jane3910, 'he'll support whatever decision I make'.
Of course he bloody will - because it will be you that makes the decision and then he can play the 'poor me' card.
Ultimately he's still not taking any responsibility for it.

devonianBiatch · 18/07/2022 19:27

I remember your original post, I told you he was lying then and I'll tell you he's lying now.

And he didn't trash your relationship for nothing, he did it for sex with another woman, social set up when you were away from home and would likely never ever have found out. Let's be honest, if she hasn't sent the letter you never would have.

He's only being honest because she sent the letter and you saw it. You knew something was off so fished it out the bin. But he genuinely thought you were SO stupid that he felt confident enough to leave it there in the bin.

What do you think his behaviour says about his feelings for you? Honestly?

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:29

It is also worth considering that when people get caught doing something it might not be their only time doing it.

Lots of ow don't know they are other woman, lots walk away without a word if they know or find out.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:34

But he genuinely thought you were SO stupid that he felt confident enough to leave it there in the bin.

Yeah, that reflected his sheer arrogance too.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:39

but calling you a terrible person and gullible was really low

This too.

Gas lighting at its "finest" ..... and character assassination (from a lying cheat)

billy1966 · 18/07/2022 20:17

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 19:34

But he genuinely thought you were SO stupid that he felt confident enough to leave it there in the bin.

Yeah, that reflected his sheer arrogance too.

Me too.

Arrogant and fxxking stupid.

freesoul12 · 18/07/2022 20:49

I would give him a second chance , clearly you are so attached to him the way you have written the post . Try to forget it and move on but if its still no spark left between you after a year or so then you should leave him . No one is perfect and there are so many ups and downs comes in life, you just deal with it . You are important to him thats y he did not leave you , he has done a foolish mistake.
My husband cheated on me when i was pregnant, my world fell apart. Idea of him wanting another woman was destroying me but i put my kids first and decided to give him a second chance. our relationship has gone stronger and i can now trust him completely that he wont ever cheat me.

i also caught him too .So dont rush into making decisions , think rationally. Its easy to say leave him but in reality its not always easy. Start couples counselling

SlickShady · 19/07/2022 18:41

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:25

And if the point is time spent behaving badly vs time spent behaving "well", ot still doesn't work ..... someone who, for example, shop lifted, didn't betray their long term partner, risk their health, remove all true knowledge and decision making about their relationship and life for ten yrs etc.

That's a really OTT way of looking at things. Cheating was a terrible thing to do at the time, but not disclosing it immediately, and going on to work on the marriage without ever telling her that he slipped up, is not a betrayal. It was the cheating itself that was the betrayal, and refraining from confessing is irrelevant.

MummyTo2Monsters · 20/07/2022 15:54

OP he cheated in 2012, the ex gf confirmed that. His story of meeting her that one time at a hotel checks out with hers.
I am in no way defending or condoning his actions BUT how many of us have had a moment of weakness, how many of us have made mistakes we utterly regret.
He did not want her, he wanted you! when he was well and healthy, he easily could've left you for her or anyone else had he wanted to but he didn't so do not feel that he is only with you now because you are his caregiver.

Many people will encourage you to leave him, but many of those same people are still in a relationship with their partners who have cheated on them.

It is not the ideal relationship, granted, but instead of throwing it away can you not try and fix it. He has been good to you all these years has he not? Had he been abusive - in any way, rude, cold I would say leave him!

You have a child together and although that is no reason to stay in a relationship it is a reason to give it a chance, to give your child a semblance of a normal life. You know you love him, you know he loves you, what good would come from ripping your family apart for a mistake that has happened 10 years ago once off.

Give yourself time to heal, your life is not a lie, he just couldn't tell you the dreadful mistake he had made as just like many of us are too afraid/ashamed of admitting to our mistakes. He was understandably afraid to lose you and his child.

We all wear masks of some kind, we decide our own happiness. Better the devil you know, you have invested so much of time in this relationship, is it worth throwing it all away and having to restart all over again?

Lozzerbmc · 20/07/2022 16:25

I think it’s bad enough that he cheated all those years ago it’s also the fact that he lied to you for 5 weeks and then I told you the truth omly when he was forced to. It must be so horrendous for you. I feel for your son as well. As others have said I think focus on him for the time being maybe do some really nice things together over the summer holidays. If you do you want to carry on with the relationship have counselling to help.
Why did you never marry?

Blue4YOU · 20/07/2022 16:33

I remember your first thread OP. And I remember all the comments about how “unhinged” this woman was … imagine sending a handwritten letter etc.
Do as you see fit OP but you get to be this gaslighting lying fuck’s who uses women cater for the next 30 or 40 years… sounds good? Not to me it doesn’t

Blue4YOU · 20/07/2022 16:33

carer

LooseGoose22 · 20/07/2022 16:39

It was the cheating itself that was the betrayal, and refraining from confessing is irrelevant.

BS.

He took away her true knowledge & choice for all those years after ... and would've continued to do so.

LooseGoose22 · 20/07/2022 16:55

You have a child together and although that is no reason to stay in a relationship it is a reason to give it a chance, to give your child a semblance of a normal life.

You've just contradicted yourself.

Also Interesting that you think children with separated and divorced bio parents (what percentage of the population?) don't have a normal life

....... but children in a household where one parent is a proven cheat, and apparently sexually coercive to a previous partner, have a normal life.

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catfunk · 13/09/2022 12:11

So he still never told you the truth. He got caught out and had to admit it. What a piece of shit.
He's using you for your home, your money and your care. He's taking you for a mug.
I think you should see a therapist to address why you're putting up with this: he is NOT your responsibility.
Ps: do not marry this man.

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