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Cheating discovery after 10 years.

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Jane3910 · 18/07/2022 01:17

Hello, I decided to post tonight because maybe getting all of this shit out of my brain and onto the page will help in some way, maybe gain some perspective.

Background, been with my bf for 23 years. A bit turbulent and on-and-off in our 20's but no cheating that I'm aware of. 2007 we use my inheritance to buy a house and settle down, 2009 we have a son. We've had a few rough patches but overall I've always felt very safe with him and have never questioned his loyalty. We are both pretty anti-social and like to exist in our own bubble, away from the dramas of life.

He's told me before how he met his first gf on holiday, and that they didnt live in the same town but their parents facilitated visits together, and he lost his virginity to her at 14 years old.

So a couple of months ago a letter came to the house addressed to my bf. He was puzzled and asked me if I recognized the handwriting. I didn't. He read the letter, then stated, "What the fuck is wrong with people, thank you for being normal." He then threw the letter in the bin. He told me that it was from his first ever gf and that she was basically telling him that them having sex so young has had a negative affect on all her relationships with men and that she felt pressured into sex.

I tried to be supportive and said I'd like to read the letter, but I didn't demand to see it because he has his right to privacy.

Anyway, I had a really bad feeling in my gut. So the next morning I fished out the letter from the bin. It read pretty much like he said, but this part was dodgy as fuck. "My life has not been an easy life by any means and I made a lot of mistakes. I tried correcting these demons by correcting my behaviour, you did not. In actual fact you made it 100% worse in 2012 by coming back into my life, making me believe we could have something, taking what you want (sex) yet again and then destroying me."

So, I confront him, he says she's mental and it's not true, she's trying to cause trouble. I accept that but I'm also uneasy about it all. I trust my bf with my life and it is truly reality shattering to believe that he could cheat.

After a day or two I can't cope. I say, "tell me her name and let me see your facebook or I don't see how we can continue in a loving, trusting relationship." He says, "no, you should trust me, I've been faithful all these years, I could never cheat on you." And he deletes his facebook.

So I've said "Okay, it's over then. Without trust, there is no relationship and it's only right that you should be able to reassure me here and be transparent."

So, okay, I've now technically 'dumped' him. He then tells me her full name, and says, "You can be best friends" but says with regards to the facebook I can "fuck off."

For the next 5 weeks I sleep in the spare room and we pretty much ignore each other, I'm suspicious but still in hopeful denial. In this time I have found her online and messaged her. She blocked me at first. I then messaged her that I would send a letter to her home if she did not respond. She messaged me her phone number and I called it. My head was spinning and I hadn't planned out my questions but here is what I remember of her version. She feels like he always instigated the sex when they were young and this has affected all her relationships with men since. She said in 2012 that she messaged him on fb when her marriage was ending and they chatted for 2/3 months, they met up twice where they just talked and then met once in a hotel where they had sex. She says that he then said that he 'couldn't leave his son' and then he blocked her on everything. And so she wrote the letter to him now because she thinks of this when she's depressed. She told me that they were supposed to get together when he left school and joined the airforce. (I met him during his first posting in the airforce)

I tell him I've spoke to her and that she knows a lot of personal details down to the tattoo on his chest. He tells me I'm gullible and a terrible person to 'blow up' our family on the say so of a stranger.

So like I said, this gaslighting period lasted about 5 weeks and finally through a lot of tears, I told him he's a sociopath to leave me in this state of confusion and that I will just have to accept I'll never know the truth and move on with my life and find somebody new.

It was then that he came out with his confession.

His version, she messaged him and it was nice to feel wanted so he chatted with her for a few weeks, met up on his lunch break twice then met her at a hotel when I was at my mums for the week. He says he felt like he was 14 again, it felt abstract, like a fairytale, and he thought that I didn't want him and we'd (me and our 2 year old son) be happier without him, he says he wanted to see if there was another life for him. He says as soon as he slept with her, reality hit and he just felt guilt and shame and sex wasn't the same with someone you didn't love. He says that she was on about 'running away together', so he tried to tell her he didn't want to carry on and then blocked her.

He says he's sorry and regrets it, he says he lied because he was scared. Since his confession he's been supportive and has answered everything I've asked of him. He seems genuinely remorseful, or sad that he's been found out maybe. Either way, I feel so broken that even though he's the perpetrator of my pain, I am looking to him for comfort and reassurance.

So it's been about 2 weeks since he told me the 'truth' and I'm all over the place. Mostly we've both been super clingy, I've cried a lot, we've been intimate a lot and talked a lot and he's been very caring and apolegetic. I think the anger is beginning to set in now though, I've said some horrible things to him about how I can't wait to do the same thing to him.

A complicating factor is that he had a stroke a year ago and as a result he is unable to work and I am his carer, so we are at home together most of the time and he is dependent on me for transport anywhere.

There is such a lot of baggage to unpack here, I really don't know where to start. I'm unable to function properly, I'm crying everyday, I can't stop thinking about it, but it was 10 years ago, I should just forget it right?

But if he's capable of that level of selfishness then what else has he done? He's completely untrustworthy. My whole life is built on a false belief, how can I not feel like he's robbed me of the last 10 years? I think back to that time in 2012 and we were happy, enjoying having a toddler together, how could he do this?

We've had some horrible rough patches is the last 10 years, how many of those were due to his guilt and shame? or maybe resentment at being stuck with me? Is he being so nice to me now because he's disabled and so dependent on me? How can I believe a word he says now?

My feelings are just in massive conflict right now, I want him to hug me and comfort me tell me he loves me while at the same time I feel like the only way to deal with my feelings of betrayal are to replace all those terrible thoughts with thoughts of me betraying him.

Is it worse or better that it was ten years ago? I'm now reformatting every memory over the last 10 years to this new reality and it's all just so painful. I've been tricked into being loyal, I don't know how to move forward from this.

OP posts:
LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:03

we've been intimate a lot

Hysterical bonding I think that's called.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:03

he thought that I didn't want him and we'd (me and our 2 year old son) be happier without him

What bollocks.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:07

Bookworm20 · 18/07/2022 11:39

I rememebr when you first posted about this letter.Thing is its taken you all that time to track her down, speak to her and get her version, because he just kept on lying about it. Hes admitted it only after youve spoken to her and told him that you know.

If he was so guilt ridden as he makes out, he should have grown some balls and told you when it happened, or at least soon after. Not live a lie for the next 10 years thinking he'd got away with it. He hid it from you to protect himself, not you. He took away any choice you would have had at that time to deal with it. Purely to protect himself.

For me I could never forgive that. In fact, the fact it was that long ago and he has lied that whole time would be it for me. Theres one thing making a huge mistake, and then theres quite another to be covering your own arse while deceiving the one person you are supposed to love and respect.

I remember it too.

And on top of everything else, I think she also said he was manipulative/coercive when they were together young; im inclined to believe her about that too.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:12

What the fuck is wrong with people, thank you for being normal

That's an interesting take on "I had an emotional affair with my youthful ex, fucked her, then dumped her ..... she's angry, bitter, feels used, and doubly so because I pushed her for sex when we were teens ....... but I haven't done that to you so you're not "crazy"".

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:13

no, you should trust me, I've been faithful all these years, I could never cheat on you

Well he's a cheater and lies right to your face.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:16

he says he wanted to see if there was another life for him

You never usually get it from the horse's mouth of the cheating man like that; that he had an emotional affair, and totally future faked the other woman.

He clearly was running off at the mouth, and not watching his words.

beastlyslumber · 18/07/2022 16:20

Of course he's sorry now. Who's going to care for him if you see through his shite?

So he's abused this woman for years, lied to you for ten years, and gaslights you for months. Can you really recover from that? Do you really want to?

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:22

This guy cheated, with a fairly vulnerable woman, tried on a different "life" for size, told her he was only staying with you for his child (so wasn't lying about anything else, so it's unlikely she's lying about that), and never showed one hint in ten years.

He's never have saud anything, he'd never have confessed, he lied and lied and gas lit and maligned her til he couldn't any more, you'd never have known if she had sent that letter.

Don't ever get married because he's not trustworthy and it's your inheritance, your money that went into your house.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:24

He's had enough of you, living in a home bought with your money for years; without getting 50% of your assets too.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:32

he says she's mental

How original.

There have been quite a few threads from women discovering their partner's affairs on here recently and all the other women were mental, unstable liars ......til they were proven not to be. The men were still.calling them mental liars even after the proof was shown..

I think we can establish that women who are mentally ill, unstable liars are;

  1. Other women they snagged, and who they future faked a relationship with
  1. Exes they abused
  1. Women (and children) they groomed, sexually abused, coerced, raped etc.

And the number of female posters on here who.go along with the crazy, unstable bitter, mental, trouble maker, lying other woman trope .... and did so in op's original thread, is disturbing in the extreme.

Thefriendlymoth · 18/07/2022 16:34

Oh OP, I read your original post when the letter arrived. Honestly, I thought his behaviour at the time was “saving his own ass” behaviour and it sounds like that has continued. I have absolutely no sympathy for him “didn’t tell you because he was scared” - but he didn’t have to gaslight you and make you feel awful for being suspicious “ wanted to see if he had a different life” - urgh. He’s such a selfish asshole, everything has been done with his thoughts and feelings at the forefront, he took advantage of the other woman (who honestly sounds like she has lots of issues herself) and then has done the same with you, citing his years of “trustworthiness” as a reason for you to just drop anything he doesn’t want to address. I know things are never black and white, but personally I could never trust him again, every step he’s tried to be deceptive- his excuses for doing it are textbook and his treatment after the letter arrived is in my eyes unforgivable. I’m so sorry OP, only you know if you can/want to forgive and keep trying with your relationship but this would be too much broken trust and selfishness for me to ever feel comfortable again. :(

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 16:44

I remember him deleting his Facebook was at the time of the letter was marketed by him as cutting her off/removing his sm presence.... but lots of us thought he panicked about what was in his messages and tried to get rid of them as effectively and quickly as possible.

So he would have covered that up and continued lying too, unfortunately for him she probably still has them abd he couldn't get rid of hers.

Longdistance · 18/07/2022 16:58

He’s deceived you twice. He didn’t speak to you for 5 weeks because he cheated, you then found out and only then he fessed up.
I’d cut my losses.

SpookyButTrue · 18/07/2022 17:07

It's over. You can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He has drip fed what he has had to at each juncture. At no point has he had you and your wellbeing uppermost in his thinking. You don't really need to know anything else.

Separate. Let him go and be a cheater elsewhere.

Jane3910 · 18/07/2022 17:30

Thanks Scottishskifun. Yes he has given some pitiful excuses but partly because I'm asking him why? a hundred times. Ultimately he says it was his bad decision and that I didn't do anything to deserve it.

His facebook is long gone, he says it was a knee-jerk reaction to the fact she probably got his address by stalking fb. I think he was in defence mode and being stubborn and he didn't react well to my ultimatum.

But yes, I'm free to look at whatever I need to look at. I spent the time he was gaslighting me snooping through everything and found nothing. In 2020 when he had a stroke I had his phone and have seen all his contacts, I had his email to sort insurance stuff and benefits claims, and nothing jumped out as unusual so I don't think there is anything to find.

OP posts:
Jane3910 · 18/07/2022 17:49

To be fair to him regarding the house, I paid the deposit and he has paid the mortgage since I had our son and became a sahm. He's always worked hard.

Thanks for all the input. I'll try to have a proper read later.

OP posts:
SlickShady · 18/07/2022 17:58

I'm not going to tell you whether to stay or leave as that's entirely your decision. However I do disagree with what you wrote about the last 10 years being a lie.

You husband cheated on you. That was a shitty thing and inexcusable. But he regretted it, stopped it and continued living faithfully with you. His feeling for you the past 10 years weren't a lie, and neither was your relationship.

If someone is an upright, honest member of society, is their life a lie if they got away with shoplifting as a one off 10 years ago? Humans mess up. That is the very nature of human behaviour. But a single misdeed doesn't define all of the person and their relationships.

As to the lying past few weeks, that's just lying out of fear of consequences not because he's deceptive per se. I mean he could be a devious person irrespective of these past few weeks, but trying to lie your way out of serious trouble, especially when the truth will be extremely hurtful to your loved ones, is not indicative of a pathology.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:22

If someone is an upright, honest member of society, is their life a lie if they got away with shoplifting as a one off 10 years ago?

Fuck I've read some shite on this forum but comparing shop lifting to having an affair (and it sounds like the build up went on for months before he met up with her in a hotel and had sex with her), telling the ow that the only/main reason he was staying with op was his son, lying about it for ten years, and lying to op's face repeatedly when caught ...... wtaf

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:25

And if the point is time spent behaving badly vs time spent behaving "well", ot still doesn't work ..... someone who, for example, shop lifted, didn't betray their long term partner, risk their health, remove all true knowledge and decision making about their relationship and life for ten yrs etc.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:27

I do disagree with what you wrote about the last 10 years being a lie.

It is a lie because op lived her life rather him for the last ten years on the basis of their relationship being mutually exclusive and monogamous.

But it was not.

Not sure why that needs explained.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:27

*with him

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:31

Emotional and sexual exclusivity/monogamy is the linch pin of relationships; he was not honest with op that it was not two way, that he felt free to throw the rules aside for the months he was involved with his ex (and that he considered leaving op, which he confirmed himself) so op did not have the crucial facts aboit their relationship in her decision making on an ongoing basis from when when started the affair, she was kept in the dark by him on that front; that is living a lie.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:33

His facebook is long gone, he says it was a knee-jerk reaction to the fact she probably got his address by stalking

That's not stalking.

He probably deleted it because he was scared their messages could be seen or recovered.

LooseGoose22 · 18/07/2022 18:37

being stubborn and he didn't react well to my ultimatum.

He's been fairly arrogant throughout actually.

Fits with his behaviour towards his ex.

Her (probably true) claims that he was sexually coercive during their youthful relationship (clearly she's only realised together over time, as many people do, or the aftermath of being future faked shagged and dumped) would suggest he is not really a good person. His infidelity and deceit are further evidence.

billy1966 · 18/07/2022 18:40

You have really gotten some great balanced advice on this thread OP, teasing out the issues.

He does not sound like a particularly good man, he has certainly used that woman in a very distasteful way, while having the cheek to judge her.

Lying is the biggest issue here and his gaslighting you.

Maybe my near 6 decades have turned me into a hard bitch, but IMO he has broken your commitment to each other, and has released you from your position as his carer should you wish to split up.

You don't have to rush to make any decision.

However I do think reaching out for support from family, friends and counselling, perhaps via your GP, would be a good idea.