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She didn’t even come outside

57 replies

Ncfreely · 17/07/2022 21:09

I moved overseas with my family 18 months ago to a far away place. We had originally moved back to the UK from this place a few years ago when my babies were very little, so I had made several new friendships on my return to the U.K. at playgroups primary school etc. One of those became a very close friend and I saw her often, had her kids round, picked each other’s kids up from school, barbecues together etc.

When we moved back again I was devastated for ages because I missed her company so much but we’ve kept in touch loads and always talked about when we get to meet up again- she knows I’m planning to visit at least yearly. A few weeks ago she said she would be emotional when she saw me.

In the days leading up to us coming we texted about plans, we had a day out booked in but nothing else.

I mentioned the first weekend we arrived I could pop round for a cup of tea after she finishes work and I wanted to see her as much as possible. She works from home doing beauty type stuff and finished at 7pm and 3pm on the sat/sun respectively. She was also going off on holiday but not until two weeks after we arrived back. She didn’t reply to these messages which I thought was odd and I didn’t hear from when I first arrived back. So on the Sunday I popped by in the afternoon and knocked on the front window (we often did this and she never minded so that’s not an issue) to surprise her.

Her reaction was as if the postman had turned up with a parcel. She didn’t even come to the open window let alone come out to hug me. I was so wounded I said I couldn’t stay I just had to see her and scuttled off. I felt absolutely devastated and confused tbh. As I walked away I heard her say “right, dinner” as if I was just some mere interruption to her dinner prep.

Didnt text her again then bumped into her at the park and I just acted as normal. We then went on the day out we had planned although she changed it to a walk due to covid (as she had to get a pcr test for the holiday). I didn’t hear from her again despite us saying we would try and get together - I left the ball in her court - until the night before her holiday when she text saying hope we had a safe trip back and sorry she couldn’t meet up again she had been so busy fitting clients in before her (6day) holiday.

I am crying as I write this which makes me sound pathetic but we were such good friends and I am totally blindsided. I know from experience that when you come back to visit people are often busy and life goes on but it really wasn’t that kind of friendship. We were close and others have commented how weird it is. I have racked my brains - was it due to covid? Her DH is vulnerable and she has always been wary but she went swimming at the local pools and we could easily have sat outside for a cup of tea. She was concerned about the pcr for holiday. She goes on and on about how busy she is with work but I fail to see how you couldn’t spare 15 minutes for a cuppa with your old mate a few times - I always used to pop by in between clients etc. My DH reckons she has become even more negative and alienated herself, after talking to her. She was definitely a one for bad mouthing others but other people have said she never said a bad word against me. Has she just decided it’s not worth the effort? Why would she be in touch so much 😭

Thank you for reading my essay. I’ve tried not to drip feed. Any advice welcome. Please be gentle - it has been an absolute emotional rollercoaster.

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Jewel7 · 18/07/2022 05:43

Maybe she was gutted when you left and is now protecting herself?
I guess you won’t know unless you ask her. Maybe she feels she can’t drop her normal routine because your home.
I think when you move away things change.
But you can still make time for each other with Skype etc. Do you do this?
Could she be stressed, have issues going on that she is worrying about?

5zeds · 18/07/2022 06:00

Ask her , what have you got to lose?

MayThe4th · 18/07/2022 06:20

I’m always of the view that when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

You say she had a habit of badmouthing other people, the reality is that it was only a matter of time before she turned on you, it’s who she is. She was never a nice person and now she’s shown you that first hand.

For the people saying that she was upset/angry/sad about the OP leaving, if that were the case then she shouldn’t have kept texting going on about how emotional she was going to be and how excited she was to see the OP only to blank her.

Unfortunately it often takes something like this to see people for who they are.

I would block her and never speak to her again. She’s made it very clear what she thinks. I wouldn’t give her another second’s thought.

Pamlar · 18/07/2022 06:30

I agree with @MayThe4th
And really feel for you. I had a similar experience with someone who I considered to be an absolute best friend. It really devastated me (felt like a break up -as you said).
I would focus on having a nice trip home and keep any future contact to a very bare minimum.
It is very sad and confusing.

OrlandointheWilderness · 18/07/2022 06:38

I think I'd ask her tbh, that is just bloody odd! Is there a chance she didn't know it was you?!

TokyoTen · 18/07/2022 06:46

Your post wasn't 100% clear to me, sorry about that. But maybe she could have been worried about being too emotional when she saw you. Maybe you've been away for a while and she's moved on (so whilst you kept the friendship close she didn't). Maybe she was worried about getting CV19 as you'd been travelling and she was about to go on holiday. Sorry you have been upset though, when someone doesn't have the same reaction of joy that you expect it can be difficult.

Pipsquiggle · 18/07/2022 06:51

She sounds weird TBH.

Sounds like she has moved on from you. I have seen this every so often with some women, unless you are 'in' their lives on a daily basis, they don't see the point in keeping up the friendship. You have moved away so she may think what's the point. A bit sad really

rattlemehearties · 18/07/2022 07:01

1 it sounds like it really hurt her that you left and she's still reeling, she was unsure what to do when she saw you and all of the visits, dropping by her window etc are on YOUR terms, it sounds so hard for her.

2 you were on holiday in the UK. She was not on holiday! It was a working week and in England at least it's still school time. Again, everything on your terms, you're expecting her to fit you in/drop everything at an awkward time for her when she can't cancel work as she's got a booked holiday herself next week.

Pippylongstock · 18/07/2022 07:15

We have lived overseas on and off for the past 10 years. I think it can be very hard for the friends that stay. You are off having adventures and they are in the same routine, but with the gap that your friendship used to fill. You can ask her directly or you can leave it. Maybe on your next visit she may be in a different headspace. It’s really hard and I’m sorry you are feeling so upset.

Loveisnotloving · 18/07/2022 07:37

Firstly my issue would be someone calling to ‘surprise’ me and banging on
my window when I wasn’t expecting them. I absolutely hate people who randomly know on your door with texting or asking first and me giving them the go ahead.

That said, I would never ever be as rude as your friend was. That is bizarre behaviour.

Monoandsix · 18/07/2022 07:44

TBF it sounds like you turned up unannounced when she was in the middle of something and busy. So I can understand why she was a bit standoffish if she was about to sit down to have dinner.

TheFridayRabbit · 18/07/2022 09:09

rattlemehearties · 18/07/2022 07:01

1 it sounds like it really hurt her that you left and she's still reeling, she was unsure what to do when she saw you and all of the visits, dropping by her window etc are on YOUR terms, it sounds so hard for her.

2 you were on holiday in the UK. She was not on holiday! It was a working week and in England at least it's still school time. Again, everything on your terms, you're expecting her to fit you in/drop everything at an awkward time for her when she can't cancel work as she's got a booked holiday herself next week.

Oh come on, they’d exchanged messages and even agreed on OP popping in.

MayThe4th · 18/07/2022 09:12

Loveisnotloving · 18/07/2022 07:37

Firstly my issue would be someone calling to ‘surprise’ me and banging on
my window when I wasn’t expecting them. I absolutely hate people who randomly know on your door with texting or asking first and me giving them the go ahead.

That said, I would never ever be as rude as your friend was. That is bizarre behaviour.

But that’s how you personally would feel. The OP said that knocking on the window was the norm previously. So she didn’t do anything out of the norm.

I absolutely agree that friendships change when people move, but IME usually it just becomes apparent that you have drifted or don’t have the same things in common any more. It’s really not the norm to talk excitedly about getting together and then essentially to make it clear the friendship is over before you’ve even met up again.

aSofaNearYou · 18/07/2022 09:31

It sounds to me like she didn't like you turning up at her window. Perhaps she has become really paranoid since Covid and this offended her from the off?

butterflied · 18/07/2022 09:36

Turning up unannounced is rarely a good idea, no matter how good friends you are or were.

I was the friend who left. Friendships changed and some didn't recover. That's the reality of moving away.

Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 09:55

rattlemehearties · 18/07/2022 07:01

1 it sounds like it really hurt her that you left and she's still reeling, she was unsure what to do when she saw you and all of the visits, dropping by her window etc are on YOUR terms, it sounds so hard for her.

2 you were on holiday in the UK. She was not on holiday! It was a working week and in England at least it's still school time. Again, everything on your terms, you're expecting her to fit you in/drop everything at an awkward time for her when she can't cancel work as she's got a booked holiday herself next week.

No she’d finished work earlier on at 3pm. They were just sitting around in the kitchen. I can’t emphasise enough that this isn’t just such random I knew from playgroup, we were very close and had been in frequent contact “how’s my favourite girl” “going to be emotional when I see you” etc.

It was normal for me to pop by for tea etc. And to knock on the window as I’ve said (not “bang” as some have twisted this into - making me sound a bit bonkers). And for them to pop by ours too!

OP posts:
Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 09:56

aSofaNearYou · 18/07/2022 09:31

It sounds to me like she didn't like you turning up at her window. Perhaps she has become really paranoid since Covid and this offended her from the off?

I do think this could be part of it.

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Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 09:57

MayThe4th · 18/07/2022 09:12

But that’s how you personally would feel. The OP said that knocking on the window was the norm previously. So she didn’t do anything out of the norm.

I absolutely agree that friendships change when people move, but IME usually it just becomes apparent that you have drifted or don’t have the same things in common any more. It’s really not the norm to talk excitedly about getting together and then essentially to make it clear the friendship is over before you’ve even met up again.

Thank you 🌺

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Justmeandme19 · 18/07/2022 10:43

Different situation but I had a best friend for about 20 years, even lived together. I went through a dreadful time and she was pretty much no where to be seen! Then got invited to her wedding and all her other friends had a part, except me!!
I think it showed me really what she thought of me.
I'm afraid to say that sometimes you have your let these people go. If they treat you with discontent with no explanation. There really is no where to go with it.

Aprilx · 18/07/2022 11:19

Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 09:55

No she’d finished work earlier on at 3pm. They were just sitting around in the kitchen. I can’t emphasise enough that this isn’t just such random I knew from playgroup, we were very close and had been in frequent contact “how’s my favourite girl” “going to be emotional when I see you” etc.

It was normal for me to pop by for tea etc. And to knock on the window as I’ve said (not “bang” as some have twisted this into - making me sound a bit bonkers). And for them to pop by ours too!

Perhaps you announcing your presence by knocking on windows is something that has always irritated others. But you doing it now after choosing to live overseas, after turning out unannounced was just too much. It sounds like you feel everybody should be fawning around you a he returning conquering hero or something. As I have said before, I would have pretty short shift for somebody that I have not seen for 18 months and then turns up uninvited banging, sorry knocking, on my windows. You know somebody knocking or banging would not make much difference, I’d find either equally bad mannered.

Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 11:31

Aprilx · 18/07/2022 11:19

Perhaps you announcing your presence by knocking on windows is something that has always irritated others. But you doing it now after choosing to live overseas, after turning out unannounced was just too much. It sounds like you feel everybody should be fawning around you a he returning conquering hero or something. As I have said before, I would have pretty short shift for somebody that I have not seen for 18 months and then turns up uninvited banging, sorry knocking, on my windows. You know somebody knocking or banging would not make much difference, I’d find either equally bad mannered.

@Aprilx you are choosing to interpret my post in the wrong way, in bad faith to make yourself feel morally superior. Which is a shame because I came to MN for advice but then you always get someone who is fully miserable and has to post and nit pick. It hasn’t always irritated her - otherwise why would she do it to me. Knocking on the window isn’t the issue. But you go off, hope you feel big and good about yourself now.

OP posts:
Ncfreely · 18/07/2022 11:50

Going to tap out now - need to stop feeling so emotional, but a big thanks for the helpful comments from pp who get it. 🍩🍭

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5128gap · 18/07/2022 11:50

I reckon it's covid related with you saying she changed your activity to a walk because of it. It's turned people very irrational with what they will and won't do, and what throws them into a panic, often leading to them behaving in very hurtful ways.
I can just imagine someone posting "AIBU to not want my friend, who turned up unannounced, in my house, after she's recently returned from overseas, and I have a vulnerable child, and need a negative PCR before our holiday. I did meet her for a walk.." And all the covid thread people telling her she Absolutely Did The Right Thing. I'd see how things pan out over the next few weeks OP.

Hygge88 · 18/07/2022 12:56

Could she be in love with you?

She texted you saying how emotional she would be when she saw you? And then she ignored you?

Could her feelings run deeper than friendship?

PunishmentRoundupWithJoon · 18/07/2022 16:30

That's really weird, and very upsetting indeed. Not surprised you're emotional. Don't suppose anyone here can even guess at her motivation for behaving in such and strange and hurtful way.

Would it be possible for you to text her and ask? Explain your surprise, given her previous communication, and ask if there is anything wrong or if you've done anything to upset her. You haven't, I'm sure, but it gives her the chance to explain her behaviour. If she chooses to not respond, or give you a non-response like "everything is fine" then you may have to let this friendship go. Extremely sad, I know.