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Another “friend” out of my life

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greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 14:57

This happened recently and it has left me empty and depressed. This was a “friend” from back home. I met her at university and we had a casual but friendly relationship back then. We were not best friends in any way or form, and our lives took different directions, but we had shared classes in the first year of university and then kept in touch until around 1996, I think. Then I came to live in the UK and lost track of her.

We then found each other again on Facebook, I think around 2010 or 2011. We were on good terms and I was happy to have found this “old friend from uni” again so I suggested many times that she should come to London to visit, that she would love the city and it would be nice to meet up again here. She is an English teacher so she could also benefit greatly from the experience.

She came to London for the first time in 2017 and we had a lovely time. She came for two weeks and it was all fine. We were both very happy to have met again. The following year she came again with her husband and son, but stayed in a hotel, which I thought was very prudent of her as she travelled with other people.

She came back again to stay at my place on her own in 2019 and then again in 2020 with her husband. They stayed in my house but travelled quite a lot. It was a bit stressful, if I am honest, but they stayed in the house for such a short time that it didn't really matter overall.

But this year something quite upsetting happened. She bought a ticket to London to stay at my house without consulting with me first, not asking about dates or length of time. This was for three weeks, which seemed a bit too long but I was OK with it as I expected she was going to do some travelling in between. I didn’t want to make a big deal of it as I didn’t want to bring negativity into the situation. But then something worse happened. She bought a ticket for her teenage son too, without even asking me first if it was OK, or checking if it was inconvenient for me or my family.

Again, I didn’t say anything as I didn’t want to put a damp on her plans and I thought it might all turn out good in the end. Her son, who is nearly 15, and my son, who is 16 might get along well and they can both practise speaking English and Spanish together and become friends.

Nothing prepared me for what happened next. The moment this 14 year old set foot in my house, my son invited him to his room to play his guitars. He told my son straight away that he didn’t hold the pick correctly, that he was playing the song wrongly and that his guitar needed tuning. Then he proceeded to show off his skills. My son was really put off by his attitude and went straight downstairs to watch TV. From then on, the atmosphere was tense and very silent between the two of them. Then we suggested they played a computer game instead, and this 14 year old chose an 18 rated game which my son doesn’t like and never played before. My husband was quite shocked and I had to say no because my other son is only 12 and I didn’t want him to watch or play that game.

I was flabbergasted at this point. My friend and her son had only been in the house for no more than an hour probably, and this guy already was imposing himself and his ways. I let it go that day and the following day we went out to Greenwich and had a good time, but my eldest son stayed at home. He didn’t want to hang out with this boy anymore. I don’t blame him and by that time I still hoped that things might change.

But then the worst happened. We had planned a trip to Liverpool together. The four of us, my friend and her son and my eldest son and myself. The boys didn’t speak to each other at all on the way there. My son was obviously not enjoying himself and I understood even though I wanted him badly to be OK.

In the evening, my “friend” and I went for drinks to the bar and she advised me that I should ignore my son as he was obviously not enjoying the trip, and being withdrawn. She told me how her son had made an effort to talk and that my son wasn’t engaging. I said that I’d talk to my son. When I mentioned this to him, my son said that it was a lie. The guy didn’t say a word the whole time, and I certainly I didn’t hear him talk either. When I went to sleep I felt really annoyed with the situation. I invited this teenager to my house who turned out to be an arrogant git which I was beginning to deeply dislike, and now I had to ignore my son, while they went about Liverpool, enjoying themselves and walking around the city non-stop, while we had to adapt and follow them around.

The cherry on the cake was when my “friend” made us wait for ages in the hotel lounge, not reading her messages or saying when she was going to come out of the room. I had to wait for around twenty minutes because she was in the toilet with an upset stomach but couldn’t send her son down to the lobby to tell us what was going on. I was nearly in tears when I told her that I was fed up of waiting and that I couldn’t wait any longer. She obviously didn’t get my point and couldn’t understand how I could be so upset if it was “only twenty minutes”. I explained that it wasn’t about the twenty minutes, I was upset because she didn’t get in touch to tell me when exactly she was going to be ready.

To cut a long story short, from that point onwards we went our separate ways, and it was the least bad option for us. I took a deep dislike of her and her son and found it very hard being around them from then on. She came home only for one night, and left to travel around Bath and Cardiff. I was dreading her texts from then on. She was being sarcastic at times, sending me jokes and ambiguous messages.

I had to travel on my own to Exeter, a trip planned for just the two of us but she pulled off. It was probably for the best but I was enraged that she didn’t have any respect for my time. I had taken time off work for that trip. I know I had a better time on my own, but that wasn’t the point.

I did apologise to her for my reaction after the lateness incident, and she gave me a reluctant apology that didn’t feel sincere to me. I emphasised that my house was always open to her, and that this wasn’t about them staying at my house, which is what she kept saying to me. She kept telling me not to worry, that they would go to a hotel from then on. I felt I had to keep my promise but I was internally relieved to hear that she booked a hotel. I took a deep, instinctive dislike of her son (and of her too, at this point), something that I found very hard to rationalise at times as he's only a teenager, but that’s how I felt.

She came to pick up her stuff while I wasn’t at home, luckily because I couldn’t bear to see her or her son anymore. I was disgusted by this person who I thought was a friend. I feel that I opened my house, my life and my family, and I gave my time to someone who was obviously just thinking about herself. I ended up feeling uncomfortable, stressed and used.

I know deep down it was all partly my fault for not setting boundaries with her from the very beginning but I honestly thought and hoped that it would all turn out fine in the end. Obviously not. I don’t want this person in my life ever again. Another gravestone to my vast cemetery of dead friendships. I feel so stressed and upset right now that I had to take time off work to recover. Certainly a real friend would not make you feel this way.

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A580Hojas · 15/07/2022 15:00

I haven't read it all and you lost me at her assuming she and her teenage son could stay with you for 3 weeks.

britneyisfree · 15/07/2022 15:05

She seems like a big of a user tbh. But you diont owe her anything, why did you feel like you had to keep saying she could stay any time. Fuck that

IsAnyoneActuallyListening · 15/07/2022 15:07

"I feel so stressed and upset right now that I had to take time off work to recover."

Really??

You and your so-called friend have got nothing in common any more. It happens. Forget about it.

Schooldil3ma · 15/07/2022 15:08

She-s entitled and her son is a cocky arse. You love and learn.
Is something else going on for you, it seems so extreme to have to take time off work because of this?

Schooldil3ma · 15/07/2022 15:08

She-s entitled and her son is a cocky arse. You love and learn.
Is something else going on for you, it seems so extreme to have to take time off work because of this?

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:08

@A580Hojas Yes, she booked a ticket for her and her son to stay at mine for three weeks.
@britneyisfree I wanted to keep my word and repair the situation with her. I know I was an idiot.

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greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:11

@Schooldil3ma yes, there's a lot more going on. I guess it's not just one thing but this really hurt me.

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Serendipity72 · 15/07/2022 15:16

She's used you tbh. Her son sounds vile. Let her go!

Littlefucker · 15/07/2022 15:16

You both sound odd.

You were in tears because you waited 20 mins in a hotel lobby for her when she had an upset stomach

You hate her and are avoiding her but you’re also angry she didn’t then come on a trip with you.

She booked to stay for 3 weeks without telling you which annoyed you but you then told her the house is ‘always open’ for her.

Her son chose an 18yr game at 14 and your 15 year old was upset.

This all sounds very bizarre. She is taking the piss and you’re simultaneously telling her she should whilst also being upset.

TopCatsTopHat · 15/07/2022 15:16

Your account seems really insightful.
You've discovered your friend is a massive cheeky fucker at heart, who took the piss, showed no respect, basic consideration or manners and unsurprisingly her son was the same.
You didn't push back enough, perhaps you aren't good at that and it would be better for you and your son if you tried to improve on that if it causes you problems with other people also. The whole saga would have ended some time earlier if she was my guest.
But actually you're dead right, a good person would absolutely not treat their hosts that way whether they knew them or were a total stranger!
So her true self is no loss, but your sadness largely comes from this being part of a pattern of broken friendships which is a valid way to feel.
In your situation I would seek some form counselling to examine whether the person you present to the world is attracting the wrong people or putting off the right, and whether you could adjust some of your patterns without betraying your true self.
It could be you've been unlucky, there are a lot of dicks in the world. But given its a lifetime thing, you say, its maybe worth exploring.
Well done on binning her off though I was feeling furious on your behalf and my skin was crawling just reading about her.

HundredMilesAnHour · 15/07/2022 15:17

Your writing style is very over-dramatic OP. Your friend was rude and inconsiderate to invite herself and her son for so long and without checking with you first. BUT you were nearly in tears because she kept you waiting for 20 mins??! And you've taken time off work to recover?! You are way too sensitive and dramatic, and seem to be quite a doormat too.

TopCatsTopHat · 15/07/2022 15:20

Correct that- not guest - parasite. Uninvited and offering nothing and detrimental to the host

Courgeon · 15/07/2022 15:26

Your writing sounds like a passage out of some kind of historical romance novel with all the openers. "Then something quite upsetting happened", "nothing could have prepared me for what happened next", it sounds like a secret love child has been revealed not 20 minutes late coming down from her room.

You both sound quite intense. Who stays for 2 weeks at a time with a friend they haven't seen for years?

NomenOmen · 15/07/2022 15:27

I’m sorry it was so stressful and distressing for you, and hope that whatever else is going on in your life, you can sort it out.

Your friend certainly overstepped boundaries, although since she had stayed for long periods before, she perhaps felt a precedent had been set. Is there also a cultural issue here? Are extended stays of this kind more common/accepted in Spain (or whatever Spanish-speaking country she is from)?

I think she has behaved poorly, and as your guest, the onus was squarely on her to be the better behaved in all this (and encourage her son similarly).

However, some of your reactions seem extreme and overly dramatic. Waiting 20 minutes - even without notice - is no big deal, at least to my mind. And certainly becoming tearful over it suggests you are not in a good place.

Her son might be a bit of an oaf, but teenagers can be that way, and none of the things you describe him doing are so outrageous that your son’s response would be fitting. I would have told my teenager to toughen up and rise above a lot of that. Instead, you tacitly endorsed his own moody response.

Finally, you speak of a vast cemetery of lost friendships which implies things like this may have happened before. The fixed point here is you, so I would suggest you examine why you have lost so many (do you allow people to take advantage then snap? Are your expectations too high and dramatic? Etc).

However, I repeat. She was certainly by far the worse behaved here. But you have some responsibility too.

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:28

@TopCatsTopHat thank you for your kind words. There's a lot of insight in your reply too.
@Littlefucker I was in tears because I didn't sleep well and in reality I was awake since 6am. It was 10.40 when she turned up and we had said we would be ready for around 10am. My son wasn't upset because of the 18 rated game, he just doesn't like it and never plays it.

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Courgeon · 15/07/2022 15:31

In do wonder if you're quite intense with quite high expectations but at the same time have low self esteem so still put up with crap from people in order to keep friends and prove you're a good friend too. Then you feel frustrated and let down, have fall outs and this all or nothing scenario where you're either intense best friends or fall out and never speak again.

I say this as I used to be a bit like this with friendships. I now keep VERY tight boundaries with female friends after a life time of let downs. I like them and we have fun but I'm not overly attached to them and don't rely on them emotionally. I also have a range of friends rather than a "best" friend.

UnimpeachableBravery · 15/07/2022 15:32

There is not a chance i would let someone assume they could stay at mine for three weeks if it hadn't been discussed before they bought a ticket. Why did you.

worriedatthistime · 15/07/2022 15:33

@Littlefucker yes seems very strange and why do you have 18 year old games if your son isn't allowed to play them
But we can never expect even out BF kids to be good mates , great if they are but usually its not the case
All seems silly really and its probably you have now grown apart which happens

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:33

@NomenOmen yes, you're right. There's a lot going on in my life at the moment and without going into specific details, my "friend" knew about most of these issues. Maybe that's why I was expecting more empathy from her. But I'm aware of my own responsibility in the situation. Thanks for your balance view 🙂

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worriedatthistime · 15/07/2022 15:35

Your friend appeared to take advantage of your obviously good nature
Concentrate on yourself a bit you deserve to be treated well

Acheyknees · 15/07/2022 15:36

I think she was just a user to be honest. I think when you live somewhere that others want to visit, it seems old 'friends` appear out the woodwork desperate to catch up. A friend of mine lives in a lovely part of Spain, someone who she went to primary school with got in touch with her wanting to visit. Being a nice person my friend agreed. She went to the airport to pick up this lady who had flown with her teenage son. My friend was surprised as there had been no mention of teenage son. Still she drove them home via the supermarket to buy groceries. It was at this stage that mother/son mentioned they only had 50 euros for their week with my friend. Not enough to even feed them for the week.

Odile13 · 15/07/2022 15:38

I’m sorry OP, this sounds annoying and I personally wouldn’t be allowing her to stay again. One thing I did notice in your post was how often you said some variation of “I wasn’t happy with X but I didn’t say anything”. It is one thing to go along with small things to keep the peace or if it doesn’t matter to you, but it sounds like you went against what was acceptable to you multiple times. Perhaps it would be a good idea to work on this so that you don’t keep giving in every time sometime asks for something that you don’t want to give or do. As others have said - you live and learn, so don’t be too hard on yourself.

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:39

@Courgeon yes, the self esteem issue is definitely there. It's hard to set boundaries when you have low self esteem, yet I still want to have friends and be there for other people. It's a hard line to walk.

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rookiemere · 15/07/2022 15:39

TBH it's your 14 yr old DS I'm feeling for here.

Why did you drag him on a trip to Liverpool when it was clear that he and the other teen had nothing in common ?

She was no friend at all and you need better boundaries. I'd say something if a very close friend wanted to stay for 3 weeks, because it's far too long a visit even for someone you really like.

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:45

@Acheyknees it made me feel better to hear that something similar has happened to someone else. I cannot be the only idiot in this planet
@Odile13 absolutely, I didn't say things that I should have said because I knew she had been saving for this trip for a long time and it meant the world to her. She lives much further than Spain so I didn't want to rock the boat. But I should have....

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