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Another “friend” out of my life

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greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 14:57

This happened recently and it has left me empty and depressed. This was a “friend” from back home. I met her at university and we had a casual but friendly relationship back then. We were not best friends in any way or form, and our lives took different directions, but we had shared classes in the first year of university and then kept in touch until around 1996, I think. Then I came to live in the UK and lost track of her.

We then found each other again on Facebook, I think around 2010 or 2011. We were on good terms and I was happy to have found this “old friend from uni” again so I suggested many times that she should come to London to visit, that she would love the city and it would be nice to meet up again here. She is an English teacher so she could also benefit greatly from the experience.

She came to London for the first time in 2017 and we had a lovely time. She came for two weeks and it was all fine. We were both very happy to have met again. The following year she came again with her husband and son, but stayed in a hotel, which I thought was very prudent of her as she travelled with other people.

She came back again to stay at my place on her own in 2019 and then again in 2020 with her husband. They stayed in my house but travelled quite a lot. It was a bit stressful, if I am honest, but they stayed in the house for such a short time that it didn't really matter overall.

But this year something quite upsetting happened. She bought a ticket to London to stay at my house without consulting with me first, not asking about dates or length of time. This was for three weeks, which seemed a bit too long but I was OK with it as I expected she was going to do some travelling in between. I didn’t want to make a big deal of it as I didn’t want to bring negativity into the situation. But then something worse happened. She bought a ticket for her teenage son too, without even asking me first if it was OK, or checking if it was inconvenient for me or my family.

Again, I didn’t say anything as I didn’t want to put a damp on her plans and I thought it might all turn out good in the end. Her son, who is nearly 15, and my son, who is 16 might get along well and they can both practise speaking English and Spanish together and become friends.

Nothing prepared me for what happened next. The moment this 14 year old set foot in my house, my son invited him to his room to play his guitars. He told my son straight away that he didn’t hold the pick correctly, that he was playing the song wrongly and that his guitar needed tuning. Then he proceeded to show off his skills. My son was really put off by his attitude and went straight downstairs to watch TV. From then on, the atmosphere was tense and very silent between the two of them. Then we suggested they played a computer game instead, and this 14 year old chose an 18 rated game which my son doesn’t like and never played before. My husband was quite shocked and I had to say no because my other son is only 12 and I didn’t want him to watch or play that game.

I was flabbergasted at this point. My friend and her son had only been in the house for no more than an hour probably, and this guy already was imposing himself and his ways. I let it go that day and the following day we went out to Greenwich and had a good time, but my eldest son stayed at home. He didn’t want to hang out with this boy anymore. I don’t blame him and by that time I still hoped that things might change.

But then the worst happened. We had planned a trip to Liverpool together. The four of us, my friend and her son and my eldest son and myself. The boys didn’t speak to each other at all on the way there. My son was obviously not enjoying himself and I understood even though I wanted him badly to be OK.

In the evening, my “friend” and I went for drinks to the bar and she advised me that I should ignore my son as he was obviously not enjoying the trip, and being withdrawn. She told me how her son had made an effort to talk and that my son wasn’t engaging. I said that I’d talk to my son. When I mentioned this to him, my son said that it was a lie. The guy didn’t say a word the whole time, and I certainly I didn’t hear him talk either. When I went to sleep I felt really annoyed with the situation. I invited this teenager to my house who turned out to be an arrogant git which I was beginning to deeply dislike, and now I had to ignore my son, while they went about Liverpool, enjoying themselves and walking around the city non-stop, while we had to adapt and follow them around.

The cherry on the cake was when my “friend” made us wait for ages in the hotel lounge, not reading her messages or saying when she was going to come out of the room. I had to wait for around twenty minutes because she was in the toilet with an upset stomach but couldn’t send her son down to the lobby to tell us what was going on. I was nearly in tears when I told her that I was fed up of waiting and that I couldn’t wait any longer. She obviously didn’t get my point and couldn’t understand how I could be so upset if it was “only twenty minutes”. I explained that it wasn’t about the twenty minutes, I was upset because she didn’t get in touch to tell me when exactly she was going to be ready.

To cut a long story short, from that point onwards we went our separate ways, and it was the least bad option for us. I took a deep dislike of her and her son and found it very hard being around them from then on. She came home only for one night, and left to travel around Bath and Cardiff. I was dreading her texts from then on. She was being sarcastic at times, sending me jokes and ambiguous messages.

I had to travel on my own to Exeter, a trip planned for just the two of us but she pulled off. It was probably for the best but I was enraged that she didn’t have any respect for my time. I had taken time off work for that trip. I know I had a better time on my own, but that wasn’t the point.

I did apologise to her for my reaction after the lateness incident, and she gave me a reluctant apology that didn’t feel sincere to me. I emphasised that my house was always open to her, and that this wasn’t about them staying at my house, which is what she kept saying to me. She kept telling me not to worry, that they would go to a hotel from then on. I felt I had to keep my promise but I was internally relieved to hear that she booked a hotel. I took a deep, instinctive dislike of her son (and of her too, at this point), something that I found very hard to rationalise at times as he's only a teenager, but that’s how I felt.

She came to pick up her stuff while I wasn’t at home, luckily because I couldn’t bear to see her or her son anymore. I was disgusted by this person who I thought was a friend. I feel that I opened my house, my life and my family, and I gave my time to someone who was obviously just thinking about herself. I ended up feeling uncomfortable, stressed and used.

I know deep down it was all partly my fault for not setting boundaries with her from the very beginning but I honestly thought and hoped that it would all turn out fine in the end. Obviously not. I don’t want this person in my life ever again. Another gravestone to my vast cemetery of dead friendships. I feel so stressed and upset right now that I had to take time off work to recover. Certainly a real friend would not make you feel this way.

OP posts:
gamerchick · 15/07/2022 15:46

You need to get some spine man. She's a using twat and your kid was forced to put up with all that shit because you can't assert yourself?

Tell her to fuck off, she isn't welcome in your house anymore and work on yourself. Maybe an assertiveness course if they still exist. Boundaries protect you.

BeanAnTae · 15/07/2022 15:46

We had an inconsiderate guest stay with us - we hadn't seen her for a few years and in the meantime she had become much more difficult. Shame because she was a nicer person when we first knew her. Anyway DH and I said never again would we have her to stay.

I'd drop this particular 'friend'. It was completely unacceptable to book to come for three weeks without asking. Sometimes people change or you become better at recognising unhealthy patterns of behaviour - either way put in better boundaries and don't look back OP 🌷

SpringSparrow · 15/07/2022 15:48

It all sounds really awkward. You can understand her feeling that as you have sons of a similar age that they might get on and it would be a good opportunity for them to improve their English/ Spanish. I’ve had occasions when my children haven’t really got on with my friend’s children, my children still remember an occasion when whilst me and my friend were drinking coffee, her son was attacking them just out of view!
Three weeks is too long to have people stay imho.

BeanAnTae · 15/07/2022 15:48

I think Gamerchick put it so much better than me! 😁⬆️

Bikeybikeface · 15/07/2022 15:48

What her son did wasn’t a big deal at all, it’s blown way out of proportion. You seem hard work and judging by your title, she isn’t the first to be on the receiving end.

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 15/07/2022 15:56

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WomanStanleyWoman2 · 15/07/2022 16:03

She was being ridiculous to expect to stay for three weeks, especially with a teenager in tow. But to be fair, your reactions sound very dramatic. In tears because she was late coming down from her hotel room? ‘Flabbergasted’ that her son suggested an 18+ game? Developing an intense dislike of her son because of a minor disagreement over a guitar?

I think you both need to dial things down a bit.

baxtersm · 15/07/2022 16:07

When you said 'nothing could prepare me for what happened next' I was thinking this will be juicy, was getting excited to finally get to the good bit of your story.. only for it to be that her son told your son he wasn't playing the guitar correct?? You're both a bit weird if I'm completely honest

oakleaffy · 15/07/2022 16:17

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 15:39

@Courgeon yes, the self esteem issue is definitely there. It's hard to set boundaries when you have low self esteem, yet I still want to have friends and be there for other people. It's a hard line to walk.

The world is full of takers.

Look at an assertiveness course, maybe free some advice online about this , saying ''NO'' is perfectly fine.
People often respect us more for saying ''NO'' than agreeing and then getting all passive aggressive.
My family had a foreign teenaged student come to stay years ago, and there are definite cultural differences.
Her son sounds like a swell~head though.

No need to ''Make it right'' for fake friends who are users.
I'm a bit weak at times when it comes to saying ''No'', but it becomes easier the more you do it.

Puffalicious · 15/07/2022 16:19

HundredMilesAnHour · 15/07/2022 15:17

Your writing style is very over-dramatic OP. Your friend was rude and inconsiderate to invite herself and her son for so long and without checking with you first. BUT you were nearly in tears because she kept you waiting for 20 mins??! And you've taken time off work to recover?! You are way too sensitive and dramatic, and seem to be quite a doormat too.

This!

Jeez, the drama- in tears because of waiting/ shocked that an 18 game was suggested/ hate her/ take time off work as you're You upset. You really need to calm right down.

ugifletzet · 15/07/2022 16:24

Courgeon · 15/07/2022 15:31

In do wonder if you're quite intense with quite high expectations but at the same time have low self esteem so still put up with crap from people in order to keep friends and prove you're a good friend too. Then you feel frustrated and let down, have fall outs and this all or nothing scenario where you're either intense best friends or fall out and never speak again.

I say this as I used to be a bit like this with friendships. I now keep VERY tight boundaries with female friends after a life time of let downs. I like them and we have fun but I'm not overly attached to them and don't rely on them emotionally. I also have a range of friends rather than a "best" friend.

This occurred to me too, OP. As you say this sort of thing happens a lot, I think you need to try and identify your own patterns of behaviour in friendships and work out if you're sabotaging yourself.

One thing that jumped out at me is that you get upset very quickly at relatively minor things but just ignore major things. You didn't challenge your friend when she invited herself to stay for the best part of a month, you didn't say anything when you found her teenage son was coming too, but when she took too long in the bathroom, you got upset enough to confront her?

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 16:24

@oakleaffy thank you! I know I find saying NO to friends really hard, especially in this situation. I can do it a lot easier with strangers or people at work. Will follow your advice 🙂

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Courgeon · 15/07/2022 16:28

You feel devastated because you put so much worth and value in this friendship. Do you usually get so intensely attached? I used to but as I've got older and realised a lot of people are selfish and shallow I purposefully stop myself from developing intense attachments. I used to feel sick if I felt I'd upset a friend, note the past tense "used".

I do think for your son's sake you need to role model some healthy boundaries but also not every slight needs to be a huge drama. The guitar pic thing could have been recovered in terms of getting along, even superficially. People do fuck up on minor things and we need to be able to move on whilst at the same time making sure people don't take the piss. As they say in the yoga world "do no harm, take no shit"

greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 16:30

@ugifletzet yes, I think I overreacted because by then I was really stressed out. And that was definitely because I didn't set the right boundaries to begin with. I should have reacted at the big stuff (her coming for three weeks with her son) and ignored the little things that happened afterwards, but by then I had enough. Good insight. Thanks

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greenandblue432 · 15/07/2022 16:37

@Courgeon "do no harm, take no shit" I love that.
It wasn't just about the guitar pick and the criticism, I understand it's not big deal but it's the attitude that came with it. If you come to stay at my house, eat my food and use my toilet (for three weeks!), at least make a effort to be polite, and adapt. All this happened as soon as he walked in.

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SashaMannDeservedBetter · 15/07/2022 16:42

You seem quite dramatic being “flabbergasted “ at nothing much in particular and saying “you will never believe what happened next “ when nothing really much happened… you had me expecting some really juicy details by your writing style 😂😂. She and her son didn’t sound very nice and I Don’t blame you for disengaging. But really.. needing time off work to recover ? You need to chill out a bit .

Carrieonmywaywardsun · 15/07/2022 16:48

Her son played games your son didn't like, guitar better than him and had nothing else in common and you're annoyed/upset that he didn't love your son? They're kids, they don't have to force a friendship just because it would suit your idea of them being besties. It sounds like the other boy just wasn't interested and rather than being rude or unkind stayed quiet.

And your friend was rude to stay at your house for 3 weeks but at any point you could've told her "This isn't working, we weren't prepared for you to stay here. Lets find you a hotel". Why did you cry because she took 20 minutes in her hotel room? And why did you say a 14 year old who plays video games is a "guy" "imposing his ways" upon your house? Talk about over-reaction! Get a grip, move on from the friendship you're clearly not compatible

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 15/07/2022 16:51

baxtersm · 15/07/2022 16:07

When you said 'nothing could prepare me for what happened next' I was thinking this will be juicy, was getting excited to finally get to the good bit of your story.. only for it to be that her son told your son he wasn't playing the guitar correct?? You're both a bit weird if I'm completely honest

This. ^ What a load of fuss over very little. Massive over reaction, over something fairly trivial. As a pp said, grow a spine and tell her to just fuck off. Or ghost her and her son @greenandblue432 You owe her nothing. Agree with other posters though that this is a trivial daft 'problem' and I can't believe you're so worked up about it!

Winter2020 · 15/07/2022 17:09

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"I emphasised that my house was always open to her, and that this wasn’t about them staying at my house, which is what she kept saying to me. She kept telling me not to worry, that they would go to a hotel from then on."

OP, Even when you hated this woman and her son you emphasised your house was always open to her. So I'm not even sure that your friend was unressonable to come for three weeks.

You had probably told her "you are always welcome to stay" and "we'd love to see you anytime" and your friend took you at your word (might be cultural differences involved?) when what you meant was "we are happy to host you for 4 days max with 3 months notice ...and if you take us out for a meal or buy a takeaway as a thankyou or else we'll be fed up"

Basically you lay down and she walked over you.

Make sure people know you would need to "check your diary" before they can stay at yours. Even my family would know that at mine - not because they aren't welcome but because there are times that it wouldn't be convenient.

BadNomad · 15/07/2022 17:23

She is a CF for inviting herself and her son to your home without consulting you (even though your house is "always open to her" blah blah). But you are being very mean about the 14-year-old. Your 16-year-old got annoyed and then blanked the kid for the rest of the stay. That is so rude and unkind to a child. I'm pretty sure your friend doesn't think much of your son either at this point.

Notodaynotever · 15/07/2022 17:33

I've never read such an over dramatic op.

BlackCatTabbyCat · 15/07/2022 17:34

She sounds rude and a user so you're well rid. You're post sounds really dramatic though. Have I misunderstood or did you really ignore your son because she told you to Confused

Dacquoise · 15/07/2022 17:48

This is very much a boundaries and assertiveness issue, and I say that as someone who has just ended a 27 year friendship because the friendship dissolved into a one way street of me entertaining her and her husband for weekend at very little expense to themselves and no reciprocity at all. They even dictated when they would arrive and cut their last visit short despite me going to the trouble of arranging a lunch for them.

However, as much as they were cheeky f**kers for taking advantage of my generosity (and desire to keep the friendship going) 50% of the blame falls in my lap. Like you, I let things go, agreed to stuff too quickly and then felt obliged to follow through, and didn't pull her up on sometimes very inconsiderate, selfish behaviour.

You are fortunate this has ended sooner for you. The feelings of humiliation are still painful. But take it as an indication that you need to work on any people pleasing behaviours. Have a think before you agree to things and say no if it doesn't sit well with you. You may not hold onto some 'friends' but they were never really friends to begin with. Some people take kindness for weakness, especially if they know you won't pull them up on their behaviour. Let your 'friend ' ponce off someone else, save your kindness for people who deserve you. 💐

AffIt · 15/07/2022 18:27

Notodaynotever · 15/07/2022 17:33

I've never read such an over dramatic op.

I know, right? I was expecting screaming at the ceiling of well-known religious buildings (Liverpool's got a cathedral, doesn't it?) by the time I got halfway through.

ihavenocats · 15/07/2022 18:31

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