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I've been feeling isolated from my friends and family - need some advice.

42 replies

Multy · 25/06/2022 14:14

I've (M32) been dating my girlfriend (F35) for about one year now, and she wants to move in together, but there is something that's feeling more and more like a deal breaker. I'm not sure how to process this. It'll probably be a lengthy post, but this is a hard thing to write down, for me - as far as organization goes.

My girlfriend, when we met, was coming back from surviving breast cancer which left her immunocompromised, so I agreed that I would be very careful of COVID, like her. It didn't seem like a huge deal at the time, because I had been staying away from high-risk COVID situations, myself. Over the next few months, I voluntarily stopped going to gatherings for friends and family. I wanted to be there, since I have very strong bonds with my family and many of my friends, but I was also getting to know my new girlfriend, so I decided to forego those - reason being that if I were to see people in a gathered setting, she requested I give her a week grace period for COVID. I wasn't willing to wait potentially two weeks to see her every time I decided to go to a BBQ, so early on in the relationship. Flash forward to Christmas - we came to an impasse over who I would be spending Christmas with. I of course thought it was a no-brainer that I would be spending Christmas with my family, as I've done every year so far, but my girlfriend was upset that I was planning on spending it with them, so I eventually caved and just spent it with her family. I've never met anyone who insisted that I not do things with my family. They're good people, who just have quirks, like any family, that my girlfriend takes exception to. They couldn't believe that I'd skip it for a girl I've only been dating for 6-ish months, and I couldn't believe I was going with it, really, either. "Must be love", I figured. I went back and forth with her for a week about it, and even called some friends to ask for advice, because it didn't feel right to do - at all. Her main sticking point was that my family didn't consider me enough to agree with my COVID requests (opening windows in the house for ventilation, in the northeast winter), so she kept telling me "I'm trying to make my own family", when I would, in protest, tell her how important it is that I do things with my family. Her family being mom/dad/sister/brother in law. I should mention that I didn't really ask them to make some concessions on our behalf. Girlfriend knew that, though, that I didn't feel comfortable dictating terms to my family. I've always just gone with the flow, my whole life, so being demanding of them is something that would make me wildly uncomfortable.

So, flash-forward a few more months, to Easter. I decided to put my foot down a bit and demand that I was going to Easter, despite it being indoors. While talking to my cousin, he told me that his parents were concerned about me, because they went from seeing me a few times per month, to only a few times in the past year. I didn't argue with it. I agreed. I was starting to feel isolated from my family, and guilty for not only not seeing them in a long timer, but feeling guilty that my girlfriend was essentially letting me go. So later, I told her what my cousin said. She. Was. Pissed. It made her very upset that my aunt and uncle, who she's only met once, would say, behind our backs, that they were concerned for me. She tried to have me confront them and "tell them you're happy." I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew how it looked from the outside. We got in a few arguments over it.

Anyway, flash-forward again to this past month. She says she wants us to move in together. I'm pretty on the fence about that. On top of how she's involved with my family, she thinks that my attachment to my friends is juvenile, and something that I'm holding onto from my childhood. Several of my friends are as close to me as family, and I'm lucky enough to have them since childhood. I haven't seen them in the past year the way I haven't seen my family. They've been asking the same questions as them.

One thing that's been really concerning me, is that I found out (she told me) that her oncologist said she's not immunocompromised anymore, since it's been a few years out, and that she should go on and live her life like anyone else. I saw this put to practice when she crossed one of her own rules, and visited her parents only two days after them being in a wedding party, simply because she missed them. I said "yes, of course", and used that as leverage to go visit my aunt and uncle for the first time in months. She said I could go as long as I made sure to steam when I get back (it's this holistic Indian seed that apparently helps neutralize COVID in the nostrils or something. I don't really believe in it, but she sure does, and does it every day. She request that I do to, so I do).
Since she wants me to live with her, I sat her down the other day and told her that I don't feel the same way about COVID as she does anymore. Even though I do think we need to get on with our lives with some normalcy - I'm still cautious. I guess I just figured that if COVID was the actual reason for how she's been treating my relationships, then I wanted it understood that I'd be willing to risk the outcome. In a cowardly way, I actually used that partly to tell her I think we need to take a break.

After a few days of not talking, she told me that she would relax with the COVID stuff, and we agreed to talk about resuming the relationship. The outcome of that talk, was that while she was going to relax on COVID, we ultimately ended up negotiating that seeing my friends/family a "few times per month" was a healthy balance. She said that I can spend time with my friends as long as I make sure that she still feels important/like a priority. This is understandable I think, to a degree, but these were never conditions for me to be able to see my friends, before COVID concerns were off the table. She only has a few friends, and they're from work, so I think she associates certain friend activities as things that just evolve into Sunday brunches, after a certain age. She says as people get married and start their families, they don't have as much time for friends anymore, which is of course generally true, but, my friends can still spend time with their other friends. They don't limit their entire friendship to text messages and Facebook posts.

So now I'm left wondering - are these actually COVID concerns, or just her trying to keep me from seeing who I want? Part of me feels bad for being upset with her, because I do feel like this may have something to do with PTSD from her battle with cancer. I would never be so blunt as to say that to her though. I did say, however, that I think she's a little controlling because of how her father acts. She literally hates him, and it's partly due to him leaving at random times of the day, and then coming home shitfaced at 3 am. I should also make it very clear that she never once told me that I couldn't see my friends/family. In fact, she reminds me whenever we have this argument, that she never told me that. But it's pretty implied how she wants things to go, and even bargains with me when I do go. I feel like if I took a harder stand with this, early on in the relationship, maybe it wouldn't have gotten to this point. I can be pretty non-confrontational/timid when it comes to arguing. This is all enough to get me to leave her for good, but I love so, so, so many things about her. I didn't mention that so far, because I didn't think it had much of a bearing. I'd really rather stay with her and try to work through it, but my family and friends already don't like her from all of this, and she feels mutually about them.

I know I wrote this all out like I already came to my conclusion, but I'm not just looking for validation. I really can't tell if this is me just examining the situation way too hard. I don't know if this is just her nature, or something she would be able to work through eventually. It's the #1 issue in our relationship, and I feel I've made it clear many times how important the other people in my life are. I told her that I'm not picking them over her, but they're also not making me pick.

TL;DR: Girlfriend of one year is making me feel disconnected/isolated from my friends and family. I can't tell if it's malicious/intentional, or if it's something that she can't help.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Elfsumflowerpig · 25/06/2022 14:26

Gosh. I don't think anyone should tell you how many times you are 'allowed' to see your family and friends. That is not normal.

Doyoumind · 25/06/2022 14:29

This is controlling behaviour disguised as covid concerns. End it.

DatingDinosaur · 25/06/2022 14:40

She sounds like an Entitled Princess who wants you to put her on a pedestal and for you to live your life according to her rules and has a Little Madam Sulk when you don’t comply.

It’s got sod all to do with covid or her recovery from breast cancer.

I don’t think you should move in together. You don’t sound compatible as a couple.

Bigsenoritata · 25/06/2022 14:40

Are you sure she actually had cancer?

Anyway, this is all ridiculous, stop being a doormat. Either tell her you'll see your friends and family whenever you like, or just end this daft relationship.

Multy · 25/06/2022 14:43

Bigsenoritata · 25/06/2022 14:40

Are you sure she actually had cancer?

Anyway, this is all ridiculous, stop being a doormat. Either tell her you'll see your friends and family whenever you like, or just end this daft relationship.

Ah yeah, she definitely had it. It's not that level of crazy.

OP posts:
Haffiana · 25/06/2022 22:29

She is crazy though, and it will never change I'm afraid. Look at it like this:

Seeing your friends and family makes you happy because you are a normal person.

She is neurotic, damaged and needy, and she wants you to be the emotional sticking-plaster to cover her gaping emotional wounds. She wants ALL your attention to be only on her. She does not want you to have any relationships apart from with her. -This will never, ever end or change by the way, unless she does some very major long-term therapy, and she would need to be single whilst doing it because the first step to recovery would be admitting that she should not enter into a relationship until she is healed.

So, as I say, seeing your friends and family makes you happy. She knows this but she still is manipulating you into not seeing them. She is putting her damaged neediness above your happiness. Your being happy is not important to her, but you have an important role in her life because she needs you to feel better about herself.

After a while you will start to feel a little crazy yourself. You are confused because you feel that surely she loves you because she does not want to be apart from you, but at the same time you feel completely unheard and unable to be who you actually are. You will not be sure any more what is normal, because deep down you know that normal is wanting for your partner to be happy and wanting the best for them. Normal is actually being glad for your partner that he has a loving family and good friends. But she will tell you that none of this is normal.

It will get worse and worse.

So yeah, she can't help it. But it is extremely abusive and you will be sucked into the crazy if you stay with her. People who are that badly damaged cannot be 'fixed' by a loving partner because it will never be enough. It will never stop. They need professional help.

Walk away from her and get your real life back. Be prepared though, because she will do anything and everything to get you back, including almost certainly threatening suicide (do not go to her but call 999 and tell them immediately so that she can get proper medical help), claiming her cancer has come back, claiming that her parent or sibling has cancer/has died, ANYTHING.

MiniPiccolo · 25/06/2022 22:42

Speak to a Macmillan nurse on their support line. They will confirm that her consultant is correct. Your girlfriend is taking the piss and she's controlling.

Run OP. Run like the wind. Before you get truely stuck here.

Waterfallgirl · 25/06/2022 22:45

Walk away - whilst you can -you deserve so much more. I’m a mum and I wouldn’t want my DS in this relationship.

HollowTalk · 25/06/2022 22:56

She is incredibly controlling. Your family must be so worried about you. Time to end it.

Mariposista · 25/06/2022 23:37

You need to drop this controlling woman like a hot brick. Once she gets you under the same roof, she will be calling the shots all the more. You are far too young to be cut of from friends and family. If she wants to be bat-sh1t crazy, let her.

dostuff · 26/06/2022 06:59

I think you should leave as it will definitely get worse if you move in together.

If you do happen or stay or even if you're still around in the short term, I dare you to disobey her rules and see your friends and family just a smidge more than you usually would and without any bargaining or trying to appease her. She will give you a glimpse of what your future looks like.

Etinoxaurus · 26/06/2022 07:33

Run a mile!
This is coercive control and there will always be a reason to ramp it up. Wedding planning, pregnancy, new baby, where you live, childhood colds, how you bring children up.
Flowers

Panicmode1 · 26/06/2022 07:43

What would you say to a friend if they told you what you have just told us?

As lots of PP have said, she doesn't sound loving, but controlling. There are so many red flags in your post....please think seriously about what your life would be like if eg you had children with this woman....would she stop your parents seeing their grandchildren without a host of stressful rules and
requirements?

I think you probably know what to do...have courage, and find someone who will let you live how you want to, not dictate how you should do.

layladomino · 26/06/2022 07:45

I agree - run a mile. She is controlling you. That will likely get worse not better with time, especially if you move in together because that will give her control over every aspect of your life.

zafferana · 26/06/2022 07:54

You are in a controlling relationship with a manipulator OP. No one should be telling you who you can and cannot see and when and how often, or guilting you into feeling like you can't spend time with other people who are important to you.

A lot of people made sacrifices for vulnerable family members or partners during the pandemic, but the level of control your gf is still exerting on you and the fact that she wasn't honest about her health status is a huge red flag.

So no, you shouldn't move in together and if I were you I'd be ending this relationship and finding someone else who accepts that you have a family and friends who are important to you and who you enjoy spending time with regularly. You should also work on your self-esteem and boundaries so this doesn't happen again.

Gonnagetacatwhenimovein · 26/06/2022 07:59

Not a healthy relationship. You deserve much better

Cherry35 · 26/06/2022 08:08

She seems like a very controlling person and covid gave her an excuse to hide it.

She's taking advantage of your personality. It's like emotional abuse, she wants you isolated only for her.

Definitely don't move in with her and really consider if you should even continue in a relationship.

Eddielizzard · 26/06/2022 08:10

She's isolating you from friends and family and trying to control you. Of course it's important to have a wide network of support. I would end it. It's how she is.

WhoWants2Know · 26/06/2022 08:14

If course people don't stop seeing friends and family when they get into relationships! Maybe a bit less during the honeymoon period, but otherwise couples see friends and family together or apart to naturally build a bit of breathing space in the relationship.

Strawblue · 26/06/2022 08:22

Run a bloody mile and don’t look back!

She’s trying to control you and cut you off from your family and friends so she has you all to herself.

Do not move in with her. End the relationship.

JimmyMcNultyIsMine · 26/06/2022 08:43

Haffiana · 25/06/2022 22:29

She is crazy though, and it will never change I'm afraid. Look at it like this:

Seeing your friends and family makes you happy because you are a normal person.

She is neurotic, damaged and needy, and she wants you to be the emotional sticking-plaster to cover her gaping emotional wounds. She wants ALL your attention to be only on her. She does not want you to have any relationships apart from with her. -This will never, ever end or change by the way, unless she does some very major long-term therapy, and she would need to be single whilst doing it because the first step to recovery would be admitting that she should not enter into a relationship until she is healed.

So, as I say, seeing your friends and family makes you happy. She knows this but she still is manipulating you into not seeing them. She is putting her damaged neediness above your happiness. Your being happy is not important to her, but you have an important role in her life because she needs you to feel better about herself.

After a while you will start to feel a little crazy yourself. You are confused because you feel that surely she loves you because she does not want to be apart from you, but at the same time you feel completely unheard and unable to be who you actually are. You will not be sure any more what is normal, because deep down you know that normal is wanting for your partner to be happy and wanting the best for them. Normal is actually being glad for your partner that he has a loving family and good friends. But she will tell you that none of this is normal.

It will get worse and worse.

So yeah, she can't help it. But it is extremely abusive and you will be sucked into the crazy if you stay with her. People who are that badly damaged cannot be 'fixed' by a loving partner because it will never be enough. It will never stop. They need professional help.

Walk away from her and get your real life back. Be prepared though, because she will do anything and everything to get you back, including almost certainly threatening suicide (do not go to her but call 999 and tell them immediately so that she can get proper medical help), claiming her cancer has come back, claiming that her parent or sibling has cancer/has died, ANYTHING.

All of this.
End it.

Cocodreams · 26/06/2022 08:53

Haffiana · 25/06/2022 22:29

She is crazy though, and it will never change I'm afraid. Look at it like this:

Seeing your friends and family makes you happy because you are a normal person.

She is neurotic, damaged and needy, and she wants you to be the emotional sticking-plaster to cover her gaping emotional wounds. She wants ALL your attention to be only on her. She does not want you to have any relationships apart from with her. -This will never, ever end or change by the way, unless she does some very major long-term therapy, and she would need to be single whilst doing it because the first step to recovery would be admitting that she should not enter into a relationship until she is healed.

So, as I say, seeing your friends and family makes you happy. She knows this but she still is manipulating you into not seeing them. She is putting her damaged neediness above your happiness. Your being happy is not important to her, but you have an important role in her life because she needs you to feel better about herself.

After a while you will start to feel a little crazy yourself. You are confused because you feel that surely she loves you because she does not want to be apart from you, but at the same time you feel completely unheard and unable to be who you actually are. You will not be sure any more what is normal, because deep down you know that normal is wanting for your partner to be happy and wanting the best for them. Normal is actually being glad for your partner that he has a loving family and good friends. But she will tell you that none of this is normal.

It will get worse and worse.

So yeah, she can't help it. But it is extremely abusive and you will be sucked into the crazy if you stay with her. People who are that badly damaged cannot be 'fixed' by a loving partner because it will never be enough. It will never stop. They need professional help.

Walk away from her and get your real life back. Be prepared though, because she will do anything and everything to get you back, including almost certainly threatening suicide (do not go to her but call 999 and tell them immediately so that she can get proper medical help), claiming her cancer has come back, claiming that her parent or sibling has cancer/has died, ANYTHING.

This. Run and don’t look back.

Luckingfovely · 26/06/2022 08:54

Just to add to the chorus...

RUN!

This is in no way normal, and it will only get worse. Please leave and find somebody nice who gets on with your family - you sound lovely!

RoseMartha · 26/06/2022 08:59

I know this sounds hard but please walk away from this relationship with your girlfriend. Your family are right to be worried.

TedMullins · 26/06/2022 09:13

Nope nope nope nope nope. This is emotional abuse and coercive control. It doesn’t matter if it’s coming from a place of trauma/PTSD/insecurity rather than malice - the end result is still the same and these are completely unacceptable conditions for you to live by. Dump and don’t look back!

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