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I've been feeling isolated from my friends and family - need some advice.

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Multy · 25/06/2022 14:14

I've (M32) been dating my girlfriend (F35) for about one year now, and she wants to move in together, but there is something that's feeling more and more like a deal breaker. I'm not sure how to process this. It'll probably be a lengthy post, but this is a hard thing to write down, for me - as far as organization goes.

My girlfriend, when we met, was coming back from surviving breast cancer which left her immunocompromised, so I agreed that I would be very careful of COVID, like her. It didn't seem like a huge deal at the time, because I had been staying away from high-risk COVID situations, myself. Over the next few months, I voluntarily stopped going to gatherings for friends and family. I wanted to be there, since I have very strong bonds with my family and many of my friends, but I was also getting to know my new girlfriend, so I decided to forego those - reason being that if I were to see people in a gathered setting, she requested I give her a week grace period for COVID. I wasn't willing to wait potentially two weeks to see her every time I decided to go to a BBQ, so early on in the relationship. Flash forward to Christmas - we came to an impasse over who I would be spending Christmas with. I of course thought it was a no-brainer that I would be spending Christmas with my family, as I've done every year so far, but my girlfriend was upset that I was planning on spending it with them, so I eventually caved and just spent it with her family. I've never met anyone who insisted that I not do things with my family. They're good people, who just have quirks, like any family, that my girlfriend takes exception to. They couldn't believe that I'd skip it for a girl I've only been dating for 6-ish months, and I couldn't believe I was going with it, really, either. "Must be love", I figured. I went back and forth with her for a week about it, and even called some friends to ask for advice, because it didn't feel right to do - at all. Her main sticking point was that my family didn't consider me enough to agree with my COVID requests (opening windows in the house for ventilation, in the northeast winter), so she kept telling me "I'm trying to make my own family", when I would, in protest, tell her how important it is that I do things with my family. Her family being mom/dad/sister/brother in law. I should mention that I didn't really ask them to make some concessions on our behalf. Girlfriend knew that, though, that I didn't feel comfortable dictating terms to my family. I've always just gone with the flow, my whole life, so being demanding of them is something that would make me wildly uncomfortable.

So, flash-forward a few more months, to Easter. I decided to put my foot down a bit and demand that I was going to Easter, despite it being indoors. While talking to my cousin, he told me that his parents were concerned about me, because they went from seeing me a few times per month, to only a few times in the past year. I didn't argue with it. I agreed. I was starting to feel isolated from my family, and guilty for not only not seeing them in a long timer, but feeling guilty that my girlfriend was essentially letting me go. So later, I told her what my cousin said. She. Was. Pissed. It made her very upset that my aunt and uncle, who she's only met once, would say, behind our backs, that they were concerned for me. She tried to have me confront them and "tell them you're happy." I couldn't bring myself to do it. I knew how it looked from the outside. We got in a few arguments over it.

Anyway, flash-forward again to this past month. She says she wants us to move in together. I'm pretty on the fence about that. On top of how she's involved with my family, she thinks that my attachment to my friends is juvenile, and something that I'm holding onto from my childhood. Several of my friends are as close to me as family, and I'm lucky enough to have them since childhood. I haven't seen them in the past year the way I haven't seen my family. They've been asking the same questions as them.

One thing that's been really concerning me, is that I found out (she told me) that her oncologist said she's not immunocompromised anymore, since it's been a few years out, and that she should go on and live her life like anyone else. I saw this put to practice when she crossed one of her own rules, and visited her parents only two days after them being in a wedding party, simply because she missed them. I said "yes, of course", and used that as leverage to go visit my aunt and uncle for the first time in months. She said I could go as long as I made sure to steam when I get back (it's this holistic Indian seed that apparently helps neutralize COVID in the nostrils or something. I don't really believe in it, but she sure does, and does it every day. She request that I do to, so I do).
Since she wants me to live with her, I sat her down the other day and told her that I don't feel the same way about COVID as she does anymore. Even though I do think we need to get on with our lives with some normalcy - I'm still cautious. I guess I just figured that if COVID was the actual reason for how she's been treating my relationships, then I wanted it understood that I'd be willing to risk the outcome. In a cowardly way, I actually used that partly to tell her I think we need to take a break.

After a few days of not talking, she told me that she would relax with the COVID stuff, and we agreed to talk about resuming the relationship. The outcome of that talk, was that while she was going to relax on COVID, we ultimately ended up negotiating that seeing my friends/family a "few times per month" was a healthy balance. She said that I can spend time with my friends as long as I make sure that she still feels important/like a priority. This is understandable I think, to a degree, but these were never conditions for me to be able to see my friends, before COVID concerns were off the table. She only has a few friends, and they're from work, so I think she associates certain friend activities as things that just evolve into Sunday brunches, after a certain age. She says as people get married and start their families, they don't have as much time for friends anymore, which is of course generally true, but, my friends can still spend time with their other friends. They don't limit their entire friendship to text messages and Facebook posts.

So now I'm left wondering - are these actually COVID concerns, or just her trying to keep me from seeing who I want? Part of me feels bad for being upset with her, because I do feel like this may have something to do with PTSD from her battle with cancer. I would never be so blunt as to say that to her though. I did say, however, that I think she's a little controlling because of how her father acts. She literally hates him, and it's partly due to him leaving at random times of the day, and then coming home shitfaced at 3 am. I should also make it very clear that she never once told me that I couldn't see my friends/family. In fact, she reminds me whenever we have this argument, that she never told me that. But it's pretty implied how she wants things to go, and even bargains with me when I do go. I feel like if I took a harder stand with this, early on in the relationship, maybe it wouldn't have gotten to this point. I can be pretty non-confrontational/timid when it comes to arguing. This is all enough to get me to leave her for good, but I love so, so, so many things about her. I didn't mention that so far, because I didn't think it had much of a bearing. I'd really rather stay with her and try to work through it, but my family and friends already don't like her from all of this, and she feels mutually about them.

I know I wrote this all out like I already came to my conclusion, but I'm not just looking for validation. I really can't tell if this is me just examining the situation way too hard. I don't know if this is just her nature, or something she would be able to work through eventually. It's the #1 issue in our relationship, and I feel I've made it clear many times how important the other people in my life are. I told her that I'm not picking them over her, but they're also not making me pick.

TL;DR: Girlfriend of one year is making me feel disconnected/isolated from my friends and family. I can't tell if it's malicious/intentional, or if it's something that she can't help.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
MzHz · 26/06/2022 09:14

All those things you so so so love about her?

they’ll vanish as soon as she’s got you hooked… moved in.

you know she’s shown you who she is.

run. Run man run!

you sound like a lovely, kind and considerate guy. She sounds like a controlling, manipulative and damaged woman. There is zero future with her.

imagine the car crash having kids with her would be..

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 26/06/2022 09:16

Run. Far. Fast.

11Hawkins · 26/06/2022 09:19

She is crazy. She's obsessed with you, doesn't want you to socialise with anyone but her and her family, uses her cancer as a reason why you can't even though the doctor said she's been fine for a long time to go out and do normal things.
She's controlling and abusive. And your clearly not happy. Leave her, why do this to yourself? You'll end up with nobody.

Naunet · 26/06/2022 09:35

She sounds extremely controlling OP, that’s not a healthy relationship. Whatever issues she has are hers to work on, not your responsibility to appease. I think you really need to look at ending this.

As a side note, are we getting more Americans using this site, or are Brits starting to spell ‘mum’ the American way? If it’s the second option, I’m off to bash my own head in!

Acheyknees · 26/06/2022 09:38

This isn't going to get better, you quite rightly want to see friends and family. She doesn't want you to. Your family and friends are worried about you. If you move in together it would only get worse.
End it now.

CharSiu · 26/06/2022 09:42

You need to end this relationship.

She is ostracising you from your family. I know two men who have been in controlling relationships. Both of them are people pleasers and literally too nice for their own good. It happens though talked about less.

Dozycuntlaters · 26/06/2022 09:57

The hills are >>>>>>>this way! Run... fast.

She will end up isolating you from hour family and friends. It will get worse. Do not move in with her, you need to end it.

TheOGCCL · 26/06/2022 10:13

What’s odd here is you don’t say anything about any positive effects being with this person is giving you, alongside the negative. Which may just be the way you’ve expressed it but that’s interesting in itself.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 26/06/2022 10:24

You need to end it.

I know how hard it is to confront people. So just keep it simple. Tell her it’s not working and that it’s over. Then block her on all platforms. Put all her things in a box (if she has any at your place) and return them to her.

It’s easy to get manipulated into returning to the relationship, but please don’t do it. Just go and spend time with your family and friends. It will be a relief.

Multy · 26/06/2022 14:12

Naunet · 26/06/2022 09:35

She sounds extremely controlling OP, that’s not a healthy relationship. Whatever issues she has are hers to work on, not your responsibility to appease. I think you really need to look at ending this.

As a side note, are we getting more Americans using this site, or are Brits starting to spell ‘mum’ the American way? If it’s the second option, I’m off to bash my own head in!

Thank you for the advice. I've had a hard time coming to terms with exactly this. Like I was abandoning her to deal with her problems But I guess that isn't something I can actually help too much with.

By the way, yes, I'm an American. I had no idea this was a UK site until well after I had posted. This just happened to be near the top of Google's list of "relationship advice forums", hah.

Thanks again.

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Multy · 26/06/2022 14:18

TheOGCCL · 26/06/2022 10:13

What’s odd here is you don’t say anything about any positive effects being with this person is giving you, alongside the negative. Which may just be the way you’ve expressed it but that’s interesting in itself.

The more I think about it, I guess I was more attracted to the idea of what the relationship should/could be. I admire and respect so many things about her, and I'm also physically attracted, so it seemed natural for a long time. I think she's the first person I've ever dated where I've felt "ok, now THIS is an adult." She had all of her shit together, and is insanely hard working and dedicated to her career, and I found that all extremely attractive.

I definitely take part of the blame for this not going the way I was hoping. I looked past a lot of stuff and it went on way longer than it should have.

I didn't talk about all the things I liked about her, because the original post was already ridiculously long and meandering, and I didn't think it was completely relevant to squeeze in.

It's the closest I've ever felt to being in love, so it's going to be a hard one to process. That's life though, I guess.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

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Multy · 26/06/2022 14:19

Thank you, everyone, for the input. I believe I will be sitting her down and basically backing away from this relationship altogether. I've been talking to family and friends about this, and it's basically the same consensus from them, as from the people on here. I think that I wanted to finally settle down so badly that I just sorta overlooked a great number of red flags. I do feel a bit bad about it all - I think I could have definitely drawn my boundaries a bit more clearly and stuck to them, all along. Then again, I've never been with someone who put me in this sort of situation, so I didn't even know to be on the lookout for being slowly isolated from my support system. I've been going this entire past year without telling anyone close to me about the details of how I was gradually feeling, because of how negatively she reacted to my family asking if I was OK - so now that everyone is telling me how they've been seeing our relationship from the outside, it's been a bit illuminating, to say the least. Feels like a heavy fog has been lifted.

If I'm being honest, I'm really scared of being "alone" for the first time in my life. I know 32 isn't old by any stretch, but I never imagined myself being a bachelor in my 30's. I guess it could be a lot worse. I'm confident in my abilities to find someone else, but that doesn't make it any less scary.

Anyway, thanks again for listening and being thoughtful in your responses

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ItWillBeOkHonestly · 26/06/2022 15:02

If you want a long term relationship with her, then you both need to learn how to integrate into each other's family and friends. It sounds as though she has her family and 'allows' you to have yours but there's no move from her to get to know the people you love. That does sound very controlling and yes, seems like she was able to use Covid as an excuse.

I 100% believe that if you love a person you will also naturally want to get to know their circle of family and friends too. It all sounds very seperate and distanced and controlled. That won't make a happy long term relationship.

EarthSight · 26/06/2022 20:06

Hmmmm.......I have a different perspective on this.

The whole nostril steaming thing is a problem for me because I'd like to see some good research backing that up before you start doing this as well. It's not good if she says the rules are xyz, but then breaks one of them herself.

However, I'm thinking that this issue could mainly be the both of you having very different expectations of what relationships are like, or what they should be.

It sounds to me like you are more on the extroverted end, and she's more introverted. Introvert relationships are mainly about those two people - they see some friends & family a few times a month, if that, but that's it. They don't have as many people visiting their homes or invite people over because that's their space to recharge. Some people wouldn't like this type of relationship. They would find it claustrophobic or boring. Extroverted people want to be around other people, other than their intimate partner a lot more. They want more weekends away with their friends and such and often expect to do this with the same regularity as when they were single. This is not so much a problem if you have two extroverts dating each other, although it can be, but it's much more of a problem when you have an extrovert with strong family ties and friends dating an introvert. The extrovert/introvert dynamic can work, but there's more potential problems.

If you also add into the mix a person with a timid personality with an aversion for conflict, often what you get is someone who prioritises their friends & family over their partner most of the time. As the extroverted person already strong, long established relationships with these people, they are afraid to say no to them for fear of rocking the boat. They bend to whichever wind blows the hardest. The friends & family are also used to see that person often, and have an expectation to keep seeing that person with the same regularity, even if they are in a relationship. Those friends & family sometimes do not react well when that person starts to lessen contact. So, the other person will often feel like the wishes of the friend & family come first. It depends on the situation I suppose. They might feel like their partner wants to carry on much the same as if they were single instead of putting their romantic partner first, and are demonised for having this expectation.

Even though you love her, I'm think you might be happier with someone who has much stronger family ties, who has more friends than she does. Otherwise, I can see her always feeling unfulfilled, like she is not a priority, with far too much social activity going on. And I can see you feeling lonely, isolated, and always feeling like you are upsetting someone or letting someone down all their time. You won't be able to relax.

Multy · 26/06/2022 20:30

EarthSight · 26/06/2022 20:06

Hmmmm.......I have a different perspective on this.

The whole nostril steaming thing is a problem for me because I'd like to see some good research backing that up before you start doing this as well. It's not good if she says the rules are xyz, but then breaks one of them herself.

However, I'm thinking that this issue could mainly be the both of you having very different expectations of what relationships are like, or what they should be.

It sounds to me like you are more on the extroverted end, and she's more introverted. Introvert relationships are mainly about those two people - they see some friends & family a few times a month, if that, but that's it. They don't have as many people visiting their homes or invite people over because that's their space to recharge. Some people wouldn't like this type of relationship. They would find it claustrophobic or boring. Extroverted people want to be around other people, other than their intimate partner a lot more. They want more weekends away with their friends and such and often expect to do this with the same regularity as when they were single. This is not so much a problem if you have two extroverts dating each other, although it can be, but it's much more of a problem when you have an extrovert with strong family ties and friends dating an introvert. The extrovert/introvert dynamic can work, but there's more potential problems.

If you also add into the mix a person with a timid personality with an aversion for conflict, often what you get is someone who prioritises their friends & family over their partner most of the time. As the extroverted person already strong, long established relationships with these people, they are afraid to say no to them for fear of rocking the boat. They bend to whichever wind blows the hardest. The friends & family are also used to see that person often, and have an expectation to keep seeing that person with the same regularity, even if they are in a relationship. Those friends & family sometimes do not react well when that person starts to lessen contact. So, the other person will often feel like the wishes of the friend & family come first. It depends on the situation I suppose. They might feel like their partner wants to carry on much the same as if they were single instead of putting their romantic partner first, and are demonised for having this expectation.

Even though you love her, I'm think you might be happier with someone who has much stronger family ties, who has more friends than she does. Otherwise, I can see her always feeling unfulfilled, like she is not a priority, with far too much social activity going on. And I can see you feeling lonely, isolated, and always feeling like you are upsetting someone or letting someone down all their time. You won't be able to relax.

I think you may be onto something here, yeah. A constant back-and-forth struggle between us is that she wanted me to confront my aunt and uncle and tell them that I was "happy", or to dictate terms to my family for us to be able to go to gatherings.. and I've never been that person - but SHE is.

I just don't know if she'll ever be able to get over preconceived notions in her head about things like, me wanting to be able to play video games when there's nothing else better going on. She basically equates that with being a bum/slacker/deadbeat. So even if she says I can enjoy those sorts of things, it's already planted in my head that I better not get too carried away (for whatever that means) or else she'll need to sit me down and talk to me about it, like a disciplinarian.. so then I'd just rather avoid doing that altogether.

I really do lover her, but I think I'll only grow to resent her if we keep this up. Hmm.

Thanks.

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EarthSight · 26/06/2022 20:42

The video game thing sounds like a minor issue here (unless you are playing them regularly into the early hours of the morning), although, it does point to a more serious issue. It seems she thinks that playing video games is a signifier of a man-child.

I think she needs to accept you for who you are, and I'm not sure if she does. If she doesn't find men who play video games attractive......then why is she with you then? This might be one of those situations where a couple were never meant to be a couple because it just doesn't work.

It sounds like need to be with someone quite gentle, social, with a strong family connection.

Multy · 26/06/2022 21:06

EarthSight · 26/06/2022 20:42

The video game thing sounds like a minor issue here (unless you are playing them regularly into the early hours of the morning), although, it does point to a more serious issue. It seems she thinks that playing video games is a signifier of a man-child.

I think she needs to accept you for who you are, and I'm not sure if she does. If she doesn't find men who play video games attractive......then why is she with you then? This might be one of those situations where a couple were never meant to be a couple because it just doesn't work.

It sounds like need to be with someone quite gentle, social, with a strong family connection.

That's why I'm concerned about it - I've never given her a reason to think I have a problem with video game moderation. I play maybe 4 hours per week max, and even then, it's not in lieu of other activities. But yes, she thinks that stuff like video games/dungeons and dragons/watching anime/etc are symptoms of not being a fully matured adult - though I have a stable career and no harmful vices, so everything should point to being able to have hobbies responsibly. So then, why does she have to put parameters on an activity that's never brought any fort of negative outcome to the relationship?

As for accepting me for who I am, I actually feel guilty about this point - like I didn't show her enough of who I was before now. On one end, I was upfront about everything that was important to me, family/hobbies, but I probably inadvertently toned down how important they were. That's the only thing I can think of, short of blatant control/manipulation, which I just don't want to believe she's capable of.

"Gentle, social, with a strong family connection." sounds really, really nice.

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