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DH Behaviour and Shouting

39 replies

FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 11:33

Together 19 years, married that last 10. I thought him a decent, reliable guy. We are both 53.

In the last few years, the way in which he speaks to me has declined. In the last 6 months, its got to the stage that its bothering me quite a lot. Last night for instance. He works an hour and 15 minutes drive away but only goes in to the office 3 days per week, and we own a rental property which is let out to students. The students aren't there at the moment but are still paying, and he has taken to staying in the rental property to save him coming back here the days he is in the office in the last few weeks. I am not happy with this.

So last night I asked him his plans for the week, because he changes his days for the office quite a lot, and he just exploded at me. Not really bad but raised voice and immediately launching into that accusatory monologue that he has tended to do off late. Apparently I am "questioning him on his plans" and he has already told me and I am making him repeat it. So then I was a bit upset and said so and he started using this odd little voice like a schoolboy and repeated the days he would be in and what he was doing without pausing for breath, on and on. So then I shouted back at him that he was being awful and he started repeating them again, with another type of monologue, every sentence beginning with "And then I shall", "On Tuesday I shall", etc.. At this point I started recording him on my mobile phone (I told him I was) and it sounds really, really odd.

He has these explosions about 3 times per day. Every single day. He goes on and on and on accusing me of treating him unfairly. Anyway, it turned out that he is having dinner with 3 ex workmates and he is not coming back on the 3rd day either this week as he wants to have a drink. Now one of these former workmates is a woman and I'm not sure what to think. She is Spanish, and at one point a few years ago we had a near break up and he took up Spanish lessons. She is married, I've met her and her husband once and they seem very nice. But the story I was told about the dinner was that he was meeting ONE former work colleague, not 3 and not this woman. So he has lied to me.

No doubt this will be my fault too, for some multitude of reasons. But he has now lied to me and that makes me feel quite different. I've also had the previous near break up when he really upset me and I'm beginning to feel enough is enough.

He doesn't seem to like me very much. He can go to dinner with a group of workmates and/or this woman after work but he cannot come home. We both do a sport and he declined to come to sporting events I did on both bank holiday Friday and Saturday this weekend. He has dinner with his former workmates far more often that he takes me for dinner (to be fair I'm almost permanently on a strict diet to stay slim). Its quite new that I've felt this dissatisfied but the shouting is really getting to me. Its several times per day now and its the inconsistency. At times I feel like I'm being bullied in my own home. I said that to him and he started arguing with me for using the words "My own home". Apparently I should have said "our home".

It seems to be a trait his father shares. I'm no contact with his parents now because of the way they spoke to me.

I've tried to be nicer and have made a real effort as I can shout back - I don't instigate but I do defend myself. But its made no difference. In fact, if anything, its made him worse. He is just blowing up all the time now. If I dare ask him a normal question, it immediately blows up into an argument.

Financially, I have had a better career. I stepped back from my professional career somewhat to run a successful business but still work professionally from time to time (publish articles, am held in high esteem by colleagues). According to him and his family, this means I don't work for a living, although I make about 20k pa more than him. I make friends easily, he doesn't, he is awkward in social situations and he also tends to argue with complete strangers - a few weeks ago we were in an airport and he started arguing with security and being really arrogant about being asked to show his boarding pass and I honestly thought he was going to be pulled away and questioned. He also sometimes shouts at me in public and its quite embarrassing although sometimes I shout back and I think he does it deliberately to embarrass me. I'm not unattractive - one of his complaints about me was that I was "too good looking and too intelligent"...If we do do anything together, he makes me late for absolutely everything. We nearly missed a flight a few weeks ago. If I try and get him to hurry, he just shouts at me. Its always all my fault that he is upset.

I don't know whether its better sticking or going at my age. Do the benefits of staying with him outweigh the detriments? He's not terrible, we have some good conversations (although not lately) but he can be incredibly arrogant and dismissive if I speak to him at the wrong moment. It might be that he is stressed by all the travelling with his job but its only 3 days a week. We are in a good enough financial position for him to retire in 3 years time and he does help me in the business somewhat.

I'm very reluctant to use marriage guidance as we had relationship counselling previously after his previous episode and it was a nightmare of me basically being told to cook more and run around after him more making sure he was happy, and left me feeling terrible. I just cannot be bothered with it at this stage in my life.

I made him aware of how I felt like night and he gaslighted me. Well, he accused me of "just making up things he isn't". He has the day off work today and has disappeared, and I have no bloody idea where he is.

OP posts:
SunshineLollipopsAndRainbows · 06/06/2022 11:38

Oh OP I feel so much for you. That was exhausting & distressing to read. You deserve so much better than how this man is treating you. I would start making plans to leave. It might be scary on your own but at least you could breathe! So sorry 💐💐💐

NameChangeNamaste · 06/06/2022 11:43

Please, please take a step back, read your words back to yourself and get rid of this horrible man!!

FlipFlops4Me · 06/06/2022 11:44

I would definitely be planning to leave a man like this. It can only get worse and what an awful way to be treated. This man is supposed to cherish and love you above everyone else in his life. I'll be you don't feel cherished and loved at all.

If my DH made me feel unloved, unwanted and uncared for - and then tried to gaslight me - I'd take the hint and move out. Better to be alone than made to feel so dreadful.

Arrivederla · 06/06/2022 11:46

This sounds awful op. 😕 Is there really any point in trying to stick it out any longer?

For what it's worth I left my exh at the age of 58, and honestly I've never been happier! It was like stepping out from under a dark cloud.

You are an intelligent successful woman - you don't need this nasty, resentful gaslighting little man hanging around any longer.

Triffid1 · 06/06/2022 11:49

Oh my word. He sounds truly awful in the way he treats you. I hate to say it, b ut I would also be suspecting an affair. And of course, he's dishonest - staying in a rental property you own but that is currently being rented and paid for by someone else is pretty awful. The students aren't there, but is their stuff still there?

It doesn't appear to me that there's much room to stay in this relationship. You earn more, he treats you badly, doesn't want to spend time with you etc. The over dramatic complaining when you ask what he's doing is a clear tactic to get you to stop asking while allowing him to do what he likes. If you earn more, how are expenses split? Are there DC involved? I'm willing to bet that things are split in his favour so you leaving would be bad for him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/06/2022 11:50

"I'm very reluctant to use marriage guidance as we had relationship counselling previously after his previous episode and it was a nightmare of me basically being told to cook more and run around after him more making sure he was happy, and left me feeling terrible".

Do not use marriage guidance going forward. Abuse is not a relationship issue; abuse is about power and control and this man wants absolute over you.

Joint relationship counselling was always going to be a non starter here because he is abusive towards you. Such counselling is never recommended and this person you saw got manipulated into taking his side. This man, like so many abusers, is a master manipulator and if he can manipulate you or gaslight you he can certainly gaslight and or manipulate a counsellor. Also this counsellor has no comprehension of abuse.

Abusers are not nasty all the time (as you have seen and have indeed written about) but his nice/nasty cycle of abuse towards you is a continuous one. It's of no real surprise that his own father is the self same.

You're 53 now but you are not really that bloody old!!!. Do not waste your life further tying yourself in knots trying to fit yourself to this man. Its no point. Seek legal advice from a Solicitor re divorce and from this and support from Womens Aid free yourself from your abuser. How else can you be helped into leaving your abuser here?.

NameChangeNamaste · 06/06/2022 11:50

FlipFlops4Me · 06/06/2022 11:44

I would definitely be planning to leave a man like this. It can only get worse and what an awful way to be treated. This man is supposed to cherish and love you above everyone else in his life. I'll be you don't feel cherished and loved at all.

If my DH made me feel unloved, unwanted and uncared for - and then tried to gaslight me - I'd take the hint and move out. Better to be alone than made to feel so dreadful.

This, with bells on.^^💐

Palebluelily · 06/06/2022 11:52

I don't often say this, but in your case I really think you would be better off without him. Possibly not financially, but mentally. You wouldn't be walking on eggshells all the time.

Start making plans. He sounds awful.

FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 11:57

Triffid1 You earn more, he treats you badly, doesn't want to spend time with you etc. The over dramatic complaining when you ask what he's doing is a clear tactic to get you to stop asking while allowing him to do what he likes. If you earn more, how are expenses split? Are there DC involved? I'm willing to bet that things are split in his favour so you leaving would be bad for him.

Yes, very over-dramatic, likes to paint himself as a victim if he can but its not very convincing. He swings from one act to another. He used to be nice, mostly.

No DCs. I should get half in a divorce. He will end up financially much better off than if he hadn't met me, but I should do all right.

I spend so much time alone anyway that it doesn't bother me that much being single. And I might meet someone else who is nicer of course. I want to move abroad to a country I used to live in and was very happy in. He is happy enough to go with me when he retires but perhaps I should leave him behind.

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WTF475878237NC · 06/06/2022 11:59

You should definitely leave him behind!

He's awful and very likely trying to cheat on you anyway!

FizzyStream · 06/06/2022 12:01

OP you don't deserve to be treated like that by this man child. You're plenty young enough to get rid and enjoy your life. My Dmum got remarried at 60! Cut your losses and look after yourself.

lisavanderpumpscloset · 06/06/2022 12:04

Have you considered trying to find out what the deal is with this woman?

Purpleavocado · 06/06/2022 12:08

Honestly, he sounds pretty horrible. I'd start making plans to leave.

MiniCooperLover · 06/06/2022 12:09

Oh OP, 'sticking at my age'. What age? 53? So what ??? You have years left before you need to worry about age. Get rid of him, he clearly isn't kind to you and what's the point of living like that?

Purpleavocado · 06/06/2022 12:11

While you get plans in place I would suggest using the Grey Rock technique

Aquamarine1029 · 06/06/2022 12:12

You should be running to a solicitor's office. Get rid of this horrible man. You will be so much happier without him.

Thepossibility · 06/06/2022 12:14

He explodes 3 times A DAY. WTF. I see no negatives to leaving that without a second thought.

Triffid1 · 06/06/2022 12:15

I should get half in a divorce. He will end up financially much better off than if he hadn't met me, but I should do all right.

But if you stay married to him, he's even BETTER off financially. So ditch him now. Life is too short to be unhappy.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 06/06/2022 12:15

You say you are not sure if the positive benefits are better than the negative of splitting up. What are the positive benefits if staying together with him?

Lsquiggles · 06/06/2022 12:17

He's already checked out, I suggest you do the same and divorce this awful man for your own sanity and happiness

comfortablyfrumpy · 06/06/2022 12:20

I'm your age and have just finally got divorced from someone who made me utterly miserable.

You are no age.

The more I read, the more I am struggling to see why you are still with him.

Please know that you deserve better than this. See a solicitor, get those Mumsnet ducks in a row and start making plans for a new, better life.

Daenerys77 · 06/06/2022 12:27

one of his complaints about me was that I was "too good looking and too intelligent".

So what does he want you to do about that?

In your place, I would tell him to go and find someone less good looking and less intelligent.

jaffacakesareepic · 06/06/2022 12:28

A. I know on mumsnet its a bit of a cliche that everyone jumps to 'hes having an affair' but honestly if my husbabd stsrted staying away several nights a week, shouting at me for no reason and going out with 'old colleagues' a lot i would assume an affair

B. Whether or not he is having an affair he is clearly unhappy with his life currently and instead of being a decent human being he is punishing you for it, either in the hope that you leave or because it makes him feel better.

Why stay with someone who every time they are unhappy they verbally abuse you? You deserve so much more than this, divorce him and have a happy life where you can just be yourself without walking on eggshells and having to take some one elses fragile ego and unreasonable demands into account

I bet the 'you dont work' is actually his ego taking a battering that you earn more

Alcemeg · 06/06/2022 12:45

Honestly OP I was once married to someone like that.

There is so much in your post that made me sad for you, but this jumped out:

Its always all my fault that he is upset.

You're always in the doghouse, because he is always upset about something, and it's always your fault. I know this pattern all too well, and it tends to get worse over time.

The doghouse is not where you should consider spending any more of your precious time, let alone the rest of your life!

Although irrelevant to all of the above, which would be important enough alone to LTB, I also can't help wondering if he is having errrrmmmm a wee bit of private Spanish tuition. One way or another, just out of curiosity, I'd be inclined to take a sneaky peek at that rented accommodation when he's meant to be in it.

Whatever is going on, this is not the behaviour of a man who loves and respects you, and these things cannot be taught, especially to someone who enjoys lording it over you. Flowers

Alcemeg · 06/06/2022 12:48

P.S. When you get a green light from the marvellous @AttilaTheMeerkat, you really know it's time to slam your foot on that accelerator and go go GO!!!!! 😉🤩