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DH Behaviour and Shouting

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FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 11:33

Together 19 years, married that last 10. I thought him a decent, reliable guy. We are both 53.

In the last few years, the way in which he speaks to me has declined. In the last 6 months, its got to the stage that its bothering me quite a lot. Last night for instance. He works an hour and 15 minutes drive away but only goes in to the office 3 days per week, and we own a rental property which is let out to students. The students aren't there at the moment but are still paying, and he has taken to staying in the rental property to save him coming back here the days he is in the office in the last few weeks. I am not happy with this.

So last night I asked him his plans for the week, because he changes his days for the office quite a lot, and he just exploded at me. Not really bad but raised voice and immediately launching into that accusatory monologue that he has tended to do off late. Apparently I am "questioning him on his plans" and he has already told me and I am making him repeat it. So then I was a bit upset and said so and he started using this odd little voice like a schoolboy and repeated the days he would be in and what he was doing without pausing for breath, on and on. So then I shouted back at him that he was being awful and he started repeating them again, with another type of monologue, every sentence beginning with "And then I shall", "On Tuesday I shall", etc.. At this point I started recording him on my mobile phone (I told him I was) and it sounds really, really odd.

He has these explosions about 3 times per day. Every single day. He goes on and on and on accusing me of treating him unfairly. Anyway, it turned out that he is having dinner with 3 ex workmates and he is not coming back on the 3rd day either this week as he wants to have a drink. Now one of these former workmates is a woman and I'm not sure what to think. She is Spanish, and at one point a few years ago we had a near break up and he took up Spanish lessons. She is married, I've met her and her husband once and they seem very nice. But the story I was told about the dinner was that he was meeting ONE former work colleague, not 3 and not this woman. So he has lied to me.

No doubt this will be my fault too, for some multitude of reasons. But he has now lied to me and that makes me feel quite different. I've also had the previous near break up when he really upset me and I'm beginning to feel enough is enough.

He doesn't seem to like me very much. He can go to dinner with a group of workmates and/or this woman after work but he cannot come home. We both do a sport and he declined to come to sporting events I did on both bank holiday Friday and Saturday this weekend. He has dinner with his former workmates far more often that he takes me for dinner (to be fair I'm almost permanently on a strict diet to stay slim). Its quite new that I've felt this dissatisfied but the shouting is really getting to me. Its several times per day now and its the inconsistency. At times I feel like I'm being bullied in my own home. I said that to him and he started arguing with me for using the words "My own home". Apparently I should have said "our home".

It seems to be a trait his father shares. I'm no contact with his parents now because of the way they spoke to me.

I've tried to be nicer and have made a real effort as I can shout back - I don't instigate but I do defend myself. But its made no difference. In fact, if anything, its made him worse. He is just blowing up all the time now. If I dare ask him a normal question, it immediately blows up into an argument.

Financially, I have had a better career. I stepped back from my professional career somewhat to run a successful business but still work professionally from time to time (publish articles, am held in high esteem by colleagues). According to him and his family, this means I don't work for a living, although I make about 20k pa more than him. I make friends easily, he doesn't, he is awkward in social situations and he also tends to argue with complete strangers - a few weeks ago we were in an airport and he started arguing with security and being really arrogant about being asked to show his boarding pass and I honestly thought he was going to be pulled away and questioned. He also sometimes shouts at me in public and its quite embarrassing although sometimes I shout back and I think he does it deliberately to embarrass me. I'm not unattractive - one of his complaints about me was that I was "too good looking and too intelligent"...If we do do anything together, he makes me late for absolutely everything. We nearly missed a flight a few weeks ago. If I try and get him to hurry, he just shouts at me. Its always all my fault that he is upset.

I don't know whether its better sticking or going at my age. Do the benefits of staying with him outweigh the detriments? He's not terrible, we have some good conversations (although not lately) but he can be incredibly arrogant and dismissive if I speak to him at the wrong moment. It might be that he is stressed by all the travelling with his job but its only 3 days a week. We are in a good enough financial position for him to retire in 3 years time and he does help me in the business somewhat.

I'm very reluctant to use marriage guidance as we had relationship counselling previously after his previous episode and it was a nightmare of me basically being told to cook more and run around after him more making sure he was happy, and left me feeling terrible. I just cannot be bothered with it at this stage in my life.

I made him aware of how I felt like night and he gaslighted me. Well, he accused me of "just making up things he isn't". He has the day off work today and has disappeared, and I have no bloody idea where he is.

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cigarettesNalcohol · 06/06/2022 12:51

Op do you realise how toxic this reads ? This man is a bully and it sounds like day to day life with him is total misery. With this being your marriage and day to day life, you probably are lacking some perspective on just how bad it reads. Or at least I hope you know deep down how bad he is to you. This sounds awful, sorry.

What do you gain from being with him ? Just know it's never too late to leave, 53 is still young in many ways. And you don't need him financially so, this is a good thing. Time to serve him the divorce papers. I'm not saying the grass will be greener with another man or even that it will be easy at times but how he is treating you sounds utterly draining and damaging for your self esteem. Bullying, shouting, belittling, gaslighting, lying, mocking... this is verbal and emotional abuse.

My parents got divorced eventually in their late 50's. God knows they really tried to make it work and were happy and compatible at times but they are still better off divorced as it wasn't working out anymore. They are mid 60's now and both happier single than married in misery.

Spohn · 06/06/2022 12:57

Absolutely zero reason to continue this pointless misery. Any time anyone finds themselves typing out paragraph after paragraph about some bloke, it’s a good indication that the relationship is a joke. No need to waste years more of your life.

cigarettesNalcohol · 06/06/2022 13:03

lisavanderpumpscloset · 06/06/2022 12:04

Have you considered trying to find out what the deal is with this woman?

Who cares ?! That's just another potential wrong in a long list of wrongs. And just another reason to leave.

bigbird50 · 06/06/2022 13:13

Spend your energy speaking to a lawyer. You have no DC , its sounds like you came into the marriage with more and that would be taken into account on divorce. My friends divorced and it wasnt 50/50....it ended up being 70/30 as they had contributed more amongst other things...

FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 13:30

cigarettesNalcohol · 06/06/2022 13:03

Who cares ?! That's just another potential wrong in a long list of wrongs. And just another reason to leave.

Not my problem. I don't want to get involved with that sort of thing. Once someone starts dragging you into these type of situations then thats where my boundaries kick in. He is disrupting my life with his shenanigans.

In answer to the questions, no I didn't actually realise how bad it was getting. It wasn't always as bad as this, he's been getting gradually worse over time. I've tried reasoning with him, pointing out that the way he speaks to me isn't acceptable, but it just ends up in more arguing and monologues.

He clearly knows he's in trouble, I saw him briefly today after I came back from the shops but he quickly left again, saying he had to go somewhere. He's sent me 3 links on FB though, which he never does. The change in behaviour is very telling, isn't it? Its guilt.

For some reason, I'm more concerned about the lie (about who he was having dinner with) than anything else.

The rented flat belongs to me and he will not be staying in it again.

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FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 13:40

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 06/06/2022 12:15

You say you are not sure if the positive benefits are better than the negative of splitting up. What are the positive benefits if staying together with him?

He fixes my car and does some practical stuff around the house and in the rented flat (but he isn't that good). He can't do more difficult stuff or building work, etc.. I think he stays for the money tbh. We have a very large, nice house and a nice lifestyle. I doubt Mrs Spain would want to leave her DH as they do have kids albeit left home but her husband earns more than mine, works harder and seems like a very decent family man. He's just a nicer person tbh. I feel a bit sick about the lying tbh. He's definitely up to something and I would be astonished if it was not an affair.

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Spohn · 06/06/2022 13:46

…so the benefits of being treated like a complete mug are….: minor mechanic work performed occasionally, and basic tasks anyone with two hands could perform?

christ.

merryhouse · 06/06/2022 13:53

You're not happy and you don't feel safe.

...and to top it all off: when you told him that, he was so far from concerned that he went off on a rant about the way you chose to express it.

It's not going to get better. Leave now, before he gets old and you end up feeling guilty about in sickness and in health and leaving someone who "can't cope on his own" (because you just know he'll be one of them).

bloodyunicorns · 06/06/2022 13:59

Never ever do joint counselling with an abusive partner. Your partner is abusive.

Life is short, and you deserve better. Leave him.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 06/06/2022 14:00

FourSquareTimesTwo · 06/06/2022 13:40

He fixes my car and does some practical stuff around the house and in the rented flat (but he isn't that good). He can't do more difficult stuff or building work, etc.. I think he stays for the money tbh. We have a very large, nice house and a nice lifestyle. I doubt Mrs Spain would want to leave her DH as they do have kids albeit left home but her husband earns more than mine, works harder and seems like a very decent family man. He's just a nicer person tbh. I feel a bit sick about the lying tbh. He's definitely up to something and I would be astonished if it was not an affair.

Honestly it sounds like all you need is a good garage and the phone number of a handyman. Is it worth putting up with this because you don’t want to pay for your car to be mended or get someone in to do odd jobs?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 06/06/2022 14:12

I'm pretty sure it's not legal for him to stay in a tenanted flat overnight, regardless of the tenants being there or not.

That aside, I was already betting my bottom dollar he was cheating before you even got to the bit about dinner with colleagues.

When you split previously, why did you take him back?

I predict if you dump this idiot you'll be feeling 1000% better in yourself within a month - and wondering why on earth you wasted so much of your one life with him.

Ciko · 06/06/2022 14:19

Get your ducks in a row and leave/have him leave. The man is an arsehole and you deserve to be happy, not trodden on emotionally.

Tallisker · 06/06/2022 14:19

I'd be extremely uncomfortable if my landlord stayed in my rented house when I wasn't there!

You sound so downtrodden already and he is a bully. How is that ever a partnership? I don't think you'd miss him when if you split.

pointythings · 06/06/2022 14:25

You're 53! I'm a year older than you, now single for the past 4 years and honestly, the sense of freedom and lightness is incredible. Leave him in the dust and live your life, he doesn't bring you any joy.

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