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I can’t trust him now, can I?

33 replies

YeahYeahIBelieveYou · 03/06/2022 14:43

DP had an iPad, he doesn’t use it much, maybe a few times a week but a while ago when my phone was playing up I asked for the passcode when he was out one day. He seemed a little reluctant- he’s usually always on his phone and replies to messages very quickly. He didn’t read it for ages, then he did and ignored it. Then he replied “my iPad?” (Really, why else would I be asking and we only have one!) and then asked why and after dragging it all out for about 2 hours he gave me the passcode. I only needed to Google something about my phone and then put it away. I don’t think I’ve used it since.

He also has two phones- his main phone, which is always with him, and a spare phone he uses when his is charging as the battery isn’t great. He is obsessed with his phone and couldn’t be without Facebook etc for the duration of charging it. The spare phone is constantly laying around, he doesn’t make any attempt to hide it and often my kids get hold of it when they are here and I have to take it away. No issue particularly except a few times I saw notifications from women I don’t know and weird, inappropriate Twitter notifications from various women. Not messages I don’t think, just updates? These are all on the lock screen and I’ve never attempted to check further because I do trust him and I realise checking means the trust has gone.

My ex cheated on me repeatedly, lied, apologised, lied again, blocked her, repeat. I let it go on far too long and I know that. It seriously affected my self esteem and DP knows all of this. He’s always said he’s loyal, isn’t like that, won’t hurt me, etc. Once I did mention the notifications and he said they are scammers, he doesn’t know why he gets the notifications etc and he just deletes them. He said he sometimes replies to lead them on and for a laugh but it’s all innocent. Eventually he turned his back on me in bed and got annoyed saying I’m always accusing him of stuff and refused to talk about it anymore. Then, even when my kids got his phone and I was taking it away (just hide the thing ffs) I didn’t see anymore notifications like that, I haven’t thought much of it since.

So yesterday when he popped out after using his iPad, I didn’t think twice of quickly using it to look
up some stuff on eBay. When I opened it he had left Facebook messenger open on the messages to one of the women whose name I recognised from before. The reason I hadn’t seen anything recently is he had muted their conversation so he didn’t get any notifications I might see. He had also asked her to switch to another chat app I didn’t know he used. He had been sending her photos (just his face, nothing dodgy) and asking for photos back from her then replying how she had beautiful eyes, he loved her hair and calling her “babe”. I don’t know what else he had said on the other chat app. The reason he had returned to Facebook messenger was because she had stopped replying to him on there and he was asking how she was and why she wasn’t replying etc. It could’ve been much worse, I know, but we used to send each other photos like that when we were first dating. Plus he never compliments me ever or shows any affection, uses my name never pet names, etc. He is only ever affectionate when he wants sex and even then it’s just some stroking. I’ve asked him about it in the past and he says he isn’t an affectionate person and it’s just how he is. He can’t flirt and he doesn’t know how to compliment people and never uses cute names etc. I’ve had to just accept that’s how he is.

I confronted him and he said she’s a scammer, he gets loads of them and he leads them on so they aren’t trying to scam anyone else (she had asked him for money and about his salary to be fair). He has told me about this in the past but always insisted it was just chit chat and not flirting. I’ve always made it 100% clear to him that I see anything like this as cheating and because I’ve been so hurt before finding out he was chatting women up even “as a joke” would destroy my trust. He always promised it wasn’t like that. I told him all of this, I cried (more than I’d like to
admit), I told him we’ve discussed this and he knows how I feel. He apologised, said it was a joke and he was leading her on. I said how when he was asking for photos and complimenting her and chasing her when she didn’t reply? Eventually he admitted he likes the attention, he said he doesn’t have many friends and he likes to have someone to message when he’s bored (apparently not me!) but admits he went too far. She apparently lives in America and he knew nothing would ever come of it. It hurts so much because I give him SO MUCH attention, even though I don’t get it back I’m an affectionate person and I’m always loving and attentive and I still compliment him and I’m always thanking him for things he does for me and my kids etc. He’s also constantly complaining he has no time for himself between work and me and my kids and his hobbies and he’s stressed out, how the fuck is he ever bored enough to need to text some woman for attention when I’m right there?

I’m just so hurt and I feel betrayed. He says he will block her and never do it again. He will ignore any other women who message him and he’s sorry he’s upset me and he knows he’s gone too far. He says he’s a loyal person and he never wanted to hurt me. I couldn’t help being upset after everything and it brought back all the hurt from before so I was crying a lot and several times he threatened to sleep somewhere else if I didn’t stop, he had said sorry, I needed to let it go etc. He then said he was hurt too! He was hurt because he hurt me and so I needed to stop crying and making him feel worse… he didn’t even want to cuddle me when I was crying. I’m ashamed to admit I begged him not to go and sleep on the sofa, I didn’t want to be alone. This happened several times as I couldn’t stop crying for over an hour.

I know. I know what all this means and what I need to do. I just want a hand hold really more than anything else. I can’t tell anyone what a fool I’ve been again for trusting someone.

OP posts:
YeahYeahIBelieveYou · 03/06/2022 14:44

Also, I feel bad that I read the messages but I genuinely wasn’t snooping. Part of me wishes I didn’t see them now.

OP posts:
TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 03/06/2022 14:49

I have been through similar just last week finding my h on a dating website. All I can say is that if the trust is gone the relationship is dead in the water. It hurts like hell but there it is. I am sorry you're going through similar - he's a liar and not even a nice one. What do you want to do now?

NoNameNoOne · 03/06/2022 14:49

He's a wrongun. I'm sorry x

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 03/06/2022 14:50

Ps I'll hold your hand, it stinks it really does but we deserve more Flowers

tiedyetie · 03/06/2022 14:51

Bullshit

Run

glitterfarts · 03/06/2022 14:51

If it walks like a duck and quacks, it's probably exactly what you think and not a zebra.
That's why you're upset. You know what you know, you just don't want to know as you don't want to have to do anything about it.

This man won't comfort or reassure you when you're upset or feeling insecure for something HE has done which crosses a line you were clear about.

He doesn't sound very nice. Why are you with him? What's the good parts as so far you've just told us bad parts.

DuckDuckMousse · 03/06/2022 14:52

"he said she’s a scammer, he gets loads of them and he leads them on so they aren’t trying to scam anyone else"

He thinks your head buttons up the back.

HollowTalk · 03/06/2022 14:53

He thinks you're stupid, OP. You really can't trust him.

Sn0tnose · 03/06/2022 15:01

I was crying a lot and several times he threatened to sleep somewhere else if I didn’t stop, he had said sorry, I needed to let it go etc. He then said he was hurt too! He was hurt because he hurt me and so I needed to stop crying and making him feel worse…he didn’t even want to cuddle me when I was crying.

This is contempt he’s showing you. He’s hurt you so much he’s made you cry. And yet he’s angry at you for making him feel bad? Why doesn’t he feel bad already? I don’t think that there’s any coming back after someone shows you that they have contempt for you.

SaltedCaramelIcedLatte · 03/06/2022 15:20

What do you honestly get from this relationship? He sounds cold and selfish!
Get rid of him, he is not worth it, you can do better!

SunshineAndFizz · 03/06/2022 16:41

Jeez does he think you were born yesterday.

Pretending to lead on a scammer?! Just joking?! Lamest excuses ever. You've caught him cheating plain and simple.

Have you seen the 'chat app' conversations? As I'd be demanding to see them if he claimed it was nothing.

Applesarenice · 03/06/2022 16:56

The fact that he has treated you like an idiot with that ridiculous story rather than apologising and coming clean makes it even worse. Sorry op

RhiRhi1996 · 03/06/2022 17:05

You could stay, and see, but you'd just waste more of your time with this man.

I know you love him, and that can cloud our judgment of people, but seeking attention from other women is wrong. Would he like it if you are texting other men for "attention"? Probably not.

I think in time it will get worse and he will properly cheat. I wouldn't wait around to be disrespected (again).

It's hard, but it's best to rip the band aid off and get it over with. In the long run you'll thank yourself. Knowing about your past getting cheated on etc and insecurities you'd also think he wouldn't be doing things that would make you feel Insecure.

MadMadMadamMim · 03/06/2022 17:06

He says he’s a loyal person and he never wanted to hurt me.

He's really not. He sounds an utter dickhead. You can do much better - tell him to go. Better to be on your own than with a twat you can't trust.

He likes to have someone to message when he's bored! Honestly. Mate.

Is he that immature?

Aprilx · 03/06/2022 18:01

He is not a loyal person and the only thing he is upset about is that he got caught. If he has not already, he is looking for the opportunity to cheat on you. I actually think you are under reacting to what you found.

layladomino · 03/06/2022 18:11

He is not remotely loyal. Just because some says they're loyal doesn't make it true. In fact if someone feels the need to tell you they are loyal, they're probably not.

He is treating you as though you're stupid. He is flirting with other women. All the evidence tells you that. He doesn't want you to look at his ipad? Glued to his phone? Asked a women (at least one you know about, there could well be more) to move to another platform you don't know about, turns off his notifications from her, gives a pathetic excuse when you find him out, turns it around on you to make you feel you're the one in the wrong, does all this even though you've previously told him his behaviour hurts you and that even if he does it 'for a joke' then it still hurt you. He still did it after that. Chases after a woman who stops contacting him and yet still claims she's a scammer?? Compliments her but doesn't compliment you. Flirts with her. Eventually changes his story and says he's doing it because he's bored (normal people find something to do, like work, a hobby, planning something lovely for their OH).

He is treating you dismally. With zero respect. You can't trust him because you can't trust him. He isn't trustworthy. He has lied to you for a long long time, and would do it again as soon as he thought he'd got away with it. He'll be nice now, because he can see you've seen the light, and he wants to keep you in your box. He doesn't want to be the dumped one. He wants to be the one with women on the side, and a woman at home to do the wifey stuff.

You deserve better. Please dump his sorry pathetic arse and find a better life for you.

Herejustforthisone · 03/06/2022 18:13

He’s the scammer here. If you believe any if the absolute gobshite spewing from him, you’re a mug.

I’m sorry he’s such a failure of a man. You deserve much better.

yesthatisdrizzle · 03/06/2022 18:15

He then said he was hurt too! He was hurt because he hurt me and so I needed to stop crying and making him feel worse...

What? So he's effectively now blaming you for making him feel bad? That's quite some victim blaming going on there.

thenewduchessoflapland · 03/06/2022 18:21

A respectful partner doesn't piss around having online flirtatious conversations with other women full stop.

He knows you've experienced and been hurt by this type of behaviour in the past with an ex too which makes it even worse.

It doesn't matter if he's physically cheated or not he clearly doesn't have any respect for you,your feelings or boundaries.

fcukyoubitch · 03/06/2022 18:27

Oh op I'm ever so sorry I've just gone threw a break up to and I'm heartbroken I'll hold your hand but always tel yourself if he hadn't of been caught how much longer would he of lied to you for?

Chocaholic9 · 03/06/2022 18:27

I'm so sorry, OP. You definitely cannot trust him. He thinks you're a fool, and if you accept his excuses you will show yourself to be one. It's time to walk away.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/06/2022 18:48

"I was crying a lot and several times he threatened to sleep somewhere else if I didn’t stop, he had said sorry, I needed to let it go etc. He then said he was hurt too! He was hurt because he hurt me and so I needed to stop crying and making him feel worse… he didn’t even want to cuddle me when I was crying."

Wow, isn't he a prince amongst men! All he wanted to do was brush your pain under the carpet while he whined 'What about meeeeee ?'

"I know what all this means and what I need to do. I just want a hand hold really more than anything else."
I'm so glad to hear that. To hear that you're staring your pain straight in the eye and refusing to buckle. Ripping that plaster off in one move will hurt less in the long long, but it's difficult for us all to do it, even (especially?) when we know we need to. Happy to offer my hand to hold. ((hug))

"I can’t tell anyone what a fool I’ve been again for trusting someone."
You're not a fool. Nowhere near. Him on the other hand ...

Needanotherholidayasap · 03/06/2022 19:30

In your shoes I would be ending the relationship..

Yellowhase · 03/06/2022 22:18

I don’t think you would send photos to a scammer would you?
He is trying to cover his tracks.
Taje your time watch his moves, body language, question him.
Been there myself. Deleted all message history when I asked to see it. We are having counselling. If it wasn’t for the kids I would have ran. I’m not sure it’s fixable. Take time for you. Journal/think it through.

AgentJohnson · 04/06/2022 06:16

Come on OP, he’s playing you. Move on and don’t get sucked into repeating old cycles.