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Might have scared a guy away

203 replies

StellaStreet · 31/05/2022 23:57

Hi

I'm F30, he's M48 or so. We've known each other for a few years but have got close over the past 12 months, but I think I might have messed things up. I don't know if I should have bothered showing interest in the first place. Sorry for such a long post, but this guy is so unusual and different to other men that he needs describing as well as I can.

We know each other at the gym. He looks fantastic, a lot like Daniel Craig getting out of the sea in Casino Royale – I've seen him chopping the trees in his garden in just his shorts. I also notice that he's stronger than most of the guys much younger than him at the gym. He dresses well, he's well-groomed, nothing out of place. Me, I look after myself, I also exercise a lot, and am pretty athletic and toned. He carries himself well, good posture, and I notice that he's dominant among others at the gym – the other guys move out of his way as he walks around the kit, he has that physical presence. He talks to a few people there, and I see that he's very charming with people and they seem to like him. To look at him, you'd think he was getting dozens of women into his bed, but...

He doesn't socialise, as in at all. He told me that he has no family, never married, no brothers or sisters, his parents died years ago, and doesn't do anything with his relatives. He says that he'd tried to create a relationship with them after his folks had died, but he and they found that they had so little in common that there was hardly any point, so neither he nor they keep in touch. He also won't talk about his parents or his childhood – he'll quickly change the subject with little fuss to something else.

As far as friends go, he says he has them, but I've never seen him with any on his FB feed. He does sometimes have comments on his posts, but it's very rare, and they're almost always from the same few women. Men hardly ever comment on anything he writes. He goes everywhere alone, except for protests, where he usually has the same women around him, and they all look pretty happy. He protests for a cause he's passionate about – and writes about on FB – and it's something I'm also in full agreement with. It's mostly how we got to know each other and bonded.

I see from his FB that he does visit places, and he likes history and the arts, but again, he goes everywhere alone. He took himself off for the day on his birthday last year, and I was a bit shocked when he told me that no, he hadn't gone with anyone, and that celebrating his birthday with people wasn't something he did. He wasn't upset by it, just said it as a matter of fact.

He also doesn't like sport, at least he doesn't write about it on FB and he's never spoken to me about it. He reads a hell of a lot – politics, history, philosophy, psychology, economics, artificial intelligence – and writes short reviews about them on FB.

I've never seen him in any of the pubs or bars in our small town. Nobody we both know has told me they've seen him anywhere, but I see he sometimes posts that he's sometimes at different pubs in the afternoon. So, he has no social life.

We did have great chemistry, and I love being around him. I'd tease him quite harshly, and he'd do the same back. We both know there's no malice in it. We'd also flirt quite a bit. I think he might have asked me out when he said he wanted to show me some mansion and gardens nearby – it might be where he works as a researcher. He told me he dealt a lot with various professors and other people. I'd told him I'd like to, but when he tried to arrange a date, I had to tell him it wasn't convenient. I brought it up again a few weeks later, and again he tried to arrange, but I couldn't then either. He's not mentioned it since. He's gone quiet on me after that.

I did check out his car in the gym car park to see if he had a child seat in it, or women's clothing. I think he might have seen me do it as he was on one of the treadmills overlooking it at the time. I also used to live near him, so I could see when he was at home or not, and I'd told him I knew when he was in, and how often I could see he was away.

There are so few single men like him who have the same beliefs as we do on our cause, and ever less men who look as good as him. He's got a good sense of humour, and I notice that he laughs at things he's read on his phone, so he enjoys reading comments and responding to them. But he doesn't give me much. It's as if there's a wall. He wrote some time ago that he wishes people would realise that as far as people are concerned, he's seen and heard it all repeatedly – he also mentions stoicism. He has that expression of a half smile when people talk to him, and nothing seems to faze him.

I'd like to do something with him, but there's so little going on with him, and apart from our mutual cause, we've very little in common. It's as though he's got so little to give to people, or that he doesn't care that much about them. I see he cares a lot about wildlife, and he writes about the hedgehogs in his garden. I'm from a large family, but he has none. Am I wasting my time with him?

OP posts:
dunpaying · 03/06/2022 22:32

@ToastedWaffle that's only on a weekend !!

EarthSight · 03/06/2022 22:47

@TossCointoYerWitcher

I like the Thor comparison. Love the smiting the yoga balls bit.

Maybe there's a bit where he goes on the treadmills and he's so heavy with muscle that he cracks them in two?

Livpool · 03/06/2022 22:55

TossCointoYerWitcher · 03/06/2022 21:42

LMAO at recent posts. 😂

I think he has an air of the Scandi countries - possibly Finland.

I agree. If I may -

He reminds me of a Viking. No, a Viking Cheiftan. Nay, Thor himself. When he walks about the gym, its as if he has launched his longboat to raid the treadmills and smite the yoga balls with his hammer. And yet, he is a viking that is also thoughtful and profound and writes haikus about hedgehogs. He told me once told me he enjoys putting up IKEA furniture, and it is something he'd like to do more of as it would allow him to dominate people's living rooms.

Well unless he looks like Chris Hemsworth I wouldn't be interested 😂

Cloudb · 03/06/2022 23:36

This man sounds like a giant fanny, and you seem unhinged.

hurtslove · 03/06/2022 23:41

He carries a copy of The Times neatly folded under his arm, sometimes (when I've followed him to the locally run vegan pro life coffee house) I watch him deep in thought, holding up his broadsheet and sipping on single origin ethically sourced Amazonian espresso. He finishes the cryptic crossword in it every morning before his 15km run, they actually asked him to start writing the crosswords for The Times but morally he couldn't accept their offer, he's far too cerebral for the average reader, they wouldn't be able to solve anything he wrote. He IS like a cryptic puzzle, personified. I think that's why men find him so naturally intimidating and move out of his way? He's an enigma and his looks make him even more alluring. I think he has an almost smouldering French man look about him and I told him this once (when we were protesting together at the save the badgers from the gluten powered wind farms rally) and he told me that he speaks French fluently but was sworn to never utter a word of it again, because the last time he did everyone told him it was like the voice of the archangel and they wept for hours afterwards. I'm meeting him this evening at the flat-earthers in support of tax free tinfoil hats protest and I'm running late, will update later.

😂funniest reply on mumsnet ever!

Phuckery · 04/06/2022 00:45

Hope the link works! He appears at around the 40 sec mark. Op, if this ain't the dude from the gym then I will be hugely disappointed because this guy's manliness could part the waves 😂

Divebar2021 · 04/06/2022 01:09

Ha ha ha ha ha. 🤣🤣. The hope the OPs crush dances his way across the gym like Techno Viking.

CandidaAlbicans2 · 04/06/2022 08:59

Are you wasting your time with him? Yes, you are. You admit you have nothing in common apart from your "mutual cause", yet you've built him up on your mind as something amazing. You've put him on a pedestal, it's all fantasy and projection, which isn't healthy for you and not healthy for anyone on the receiving end.

Now I'll admit to having a sneaky look at your other thread and it's obvious you're attracted to men who give out loads of red flags display behaviour that you have to analyse. But healthy relationships don't involve confusion, and they certainly won't require you to analyse a dodgy man's behaviour. If you want to do that get a job as a psychologist, but FFS give these men a wide berth.

ahunf · 04/06/2022 09:36

Also if you looked in my husbands car you wouldn't know he was married with kids.

Rubyroseyposey · 04/06/2022 11:24

EarthSight · 03/06/2022 20:38

@Sauce99 I'm disappointed that it's slowing down. I don't have negative opinions about the man because I know that in this situation in particular, certain things might be distorted as they are being presented through the lens of the OP's sexual fantasies. I think some posters are almost enjoying shooting him down as a way of winding up the OP.

Again, disappointed this thread is slowing down because I liked this so much XD

I've seen him chopping the trees in his garden in just his shorts. I also notice that he's stronger than most of the guys much younger than him at the gym. He dresses well, he's well-groomed, nothing out of place. Me, I look after myself, I also exercise a lot, and am pretty athletic and toned. He carries himself well, good posture, and I notice that he's dominant among others at the gym – the other guys move out of his way as he walks around the kit, he has that physical presence.

My own addition -

Sometimes, as I walk past, I smell him - I think he has an alpha male smell that the other men sense. They keep a respectful, yet watchful distance, but he carrier an aura of big dick energy.

As he walks around, sweat beading on his forehead, it reminds me of when I occasionally see him through my garden hedge, mowing his lawn, topless. There is usually a lost, pensive look on his face which makes me wonder - is he recalling the last book he read? I saw on Facebook he's trying to solve a really difficult Sudoku - not sure if I should go round and solve that together with him.

😂😂😂😂😂

Rubyroseyposey · 04/06/2022 14:15

This needs to go in classics 🤣

Carlycat · 04/06/2022 15:05

PaddleBoardingMomma · 03/06/2022 21:05

He carries a copy of The Times neatly folded under his arm, sometimes (when I've followed him to the locally run vegan pro life coffee house) I watch him deep in thought, holding up his broadsheet and sipping on single origin ethically sourced Amazonian espresso. He finishes the cryptic crossword in it every morning before his 15km run, they actually asked him to start writing the crosswords for The Times but morally he couldn't accept their offer, he's far too cerebral for the average reader, they wouldn't be able to solve anything he wrote. He IS like a cryptic puzzle, personified. I think that's why men find him so naturally intimidating and move out of his way? He's an enigma and his looks make him even more alluring. I think he has an almost smouldering French man look about him and I told him this once (when we were protesting together at the save the badgers from the gluten powered wind farms rally) and he told me that he speaks French fluently but was sworn to never utter a word of it again, because the last time he did everyone told him it was like the voice of the archangel and they wept for hours afterwards. I'm meeting him this evening at the flat-earthers in support of tax free tinfoil hats protest and I'm running late, will update later.

Sheer brilliance! This thread has had me howling 😂

TossCointoYerWitcher · 04/06/2022 23:11

Just want to bump this thread because I'm enjoying it so much! 😂

Shame that the OP seems to have fled now, though I guess I can't blame her.

JangolinaPitt · 05/06/2022 07:29

Sauce99 · 03/06/2022 19:41

This thread is fantastic. Love the fact that the guy is copping heaps and he has done nothing at all knows nothing if his participation in OPs life (or thread)

Completely agree!!!!!

JangolinaPitt · 05/06/2022 07:34

Funniest thread evva!

Leomii81 · 05/06/2022 11:54

He looked like Daniel Craig coming from the sea in casino Royal 😂

harriethoyle · 05/06/2022 14:08

PaddleBoardingMomma · 03/06/2022 21:05

He carries a copy of The Times neatly folded under his arm, sometimes (when I've followed him to the locally run vegan pro life coffee house) I watch him deep in thought, holding up his broadsheet and sipping on single origin ethically sourced Amazonian espresso. He finishes the cryptic crossword in it every morning before his 15km run, they actually asked him to start writing the crosswords for The Times but morally he couldn't accept their offer, he's far too cerebral for the average reader, they wouldn't be able to solve anything he wrote. He IS like a cryptic puzzle, personified. I think that's why men find him so naturally intimidating and move out of his way? He's an enigma and his looks make him even more alluring. I think he has an almost smouldering French man look about him and I told him this once (when we were protesting together at the save the badgers from the gluten powered wind farms rally) and he told me that he speaks French fluently but was sworn to never utter a word of it again, because the last time he did everyone told him it was like the voice of the archangel and they wept for hours afterwards. I'm meeting him this evening at the flat-earthers in support of tax free tinfoil hats protest and I'm running late, will update later.

Oh God. I'm trying to suppress laughter in the airport lounge and DH is looking concerned 😂😂🙈

TossCointoYerWitcher · 05/06/2022 23:15

OP, on the off-chance you're still here and read this, I'm going to be sincere for a moment. I just read your earlier thread. Please, please, please ask yourself - after all you put up with, with that other douchebag, after you identified him as an abusive narc - why on Earth you find a man who "dominates" so attractive? Can't you see they're peas in a pod? Healthy people seek reciprocation. Only abusers want others to "yield".

Date this guy and you will not only end up in exactly the same situation - you will be welcoming it with open arms.

Please seek therapy. I don't know what it is that's made you value yourself so little, but you owe it to yourself to find out and to fix it, if you're ever to find true and lasting love.

mumieone · 05/06/2022 23:26

Live a little. Don't overthink things so much. Say yes and yes and yes. What's the worst thing that can happen? A fun afternoon?

TossCointoYerWitcher · 06/06/2022 00:10

mumieone · 05/06/2022 23:26

Live a little. Don't overthink things so much. Say yes and yes and yes. What's the worst thing that can happen? A fun afternoon?

What’s the worst that can happen?

To be fair, @mumieone, by the sounds of the guy, a repeat of her previous abusive relationship.

JangolinaPitt · 06/06/2022 06:53

i think it is unfair on this poor gut that we are assuming he would be abusive, just that he probably would be in a relationship if he wanted to be and that the fact he isn’t suggests that he simple does not offer what women generally want and is happy in his own company. It is not as of he is trying to ensnare her to treat her badly -he accepted the refusal and has not persisted.

TossCointoYerWitcher · 06/06/2022 13:15

JangolinaPitt · 06/06/2022 06:53

i think it is unfair on this poor gut that we are assuming he would be abusive, just that he probably would be in a relationship if he wanted to be and that the fact he isn’t suggests that he simple does not offer what women generally want and is happy in his own company. It is not as of he is trying to ensnare her to treat her badly -he accepted the refusal and has not persisted.

I’m personally not assuming he’d be abusive based on that though - I’m basing it on the fact he’s made clear to the OP - both in words and behaviour - that he enjoys dominating others and appears to have narcissistic traits.

OP previously posted a thread where she was in an abusive relationship with someone similar.

TossCointoYerWitcher · 06/06/2022 13:18

TossCointoYerWitcher · 06/06/2022 13:15

I’m personally not assuming he’d be abusive based on that though - I’m basing it on the fact he’s made clear to the OP - both in words and behaviour - that he enjoys dominating others and appears to have narcissistic traits.

OP previously posted a thread where she was in an abusive relationship with someone similar.

Someone who enjoys dominating people (outside mutually agreed “lifestyle” choices) isn’t simply “not offering what women generally want”. It’s psychologically unhealthy full-stop.

Curlyhairdonotcare · 06/06/2022 16:50

I ❤️This thread

IsThePopeCatholic · 06/06/2022 17:11

LadyOfTheCanyon · 02/06/2022 16:25

Has never had a relationship despite being incredibly hot and Intellectual - CHECK!

Hates "Fakeness" -CHECK!

Thinks "Deep thoughts" - CHECK!

Thinks women "Act like packs of Hyaenas" - CHECK!

Is potentially a Flat Earther or Anti Vaxxer- CHECK!

Is a world beating intellect but prefers to publish said "Deep thoughts" on that highly esteemed Bastion of Free Thought, Facebook- CHECK!

Rip up your cards ladies, I'm heading for a Full House!

Brilliant! 😀