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Husband wants to move, I don't.

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rootedhere · 25/05/2022 15:16

Looking for some advice as we are at a complete impasse at the moment and feels pretty rubbish as it feels either way one of us is going to be miserable and I quite genuinely can't work out what's best for the kids as if I knew that I'd do whatever that is... apologies for the length of this...

We are a family of 5 - we have lived where we are for the last 6 years & have 1 primary and 2 pre school age kids.
We currently live in a lovely village, not far from my family (40mins drive). It's safe, it's friendly, we don't have to lock our door etc, pretty idyllic really. Kids have developed friendships and so have I. Eldest goes to the village school that has its failings, but overall it's good, and little ones go to a lovely nursery not far away that I trust and are developing great friendships. People in the village and areas around are my friends, some of them are now really good friends.

My family are not helpful when it comes to childcare as they are too old tbh, but we see them every couple of weeks and it's nice for kids to see their grandparents & vice versa.

There are loads of activities that my eldest does that they are v lucky to get to do, and wouldn't necessarily be able to do elsewhere. We have a lovely house, big space & garden which would benefit from some work, but doesn't actually need any really. If we were staying though, I'd do the work for us to enjoy the house more.

I work part time (school hours) in a job that can be done anywhere, husband works for himself in a skilled profession BUT it's not been going so well the last few years as he works long hours for less that he's worth due to the nature of what he can do as one person and it's getting him down as he's v capable and should be earning a lot more than he is. I get this, I do.

He is saying that he needs to get a job, and I agree. BUT then he doesn't want to get a full time one as there is a family business that he's likely to inherit at some point in the next 5ish years, (maybe sooner as it will be whenever his elderly father admits it's too much for him and that's v much a moving thing).

We are lucky that we have savings that are a cushion if we need it, but basically something has to change work wise as can't go on like this forever, as he's finding his work demoralising and we need to do more than just break even each month (and with fuel prices increasing we won't breaking even come winter).

SO my answer to this is that one of us gets a better paid job. There are some available for what we both do in the cities we are commuting distance to. I have said I could do this, with DH taking charge of childcare and working part time instead of me, but DH pride was v dented by this idea, and if I'm honest it's not the way round I'd want it, but someone has to!

My DH answer is that he wants to move somewhere approx 400miles away (still the uk) from here, to where he grew up. His father and rest of his family are no longer there (they have moved approx 200miles away in different direction) - but it's where he feels is 'home' Sad . He feels that there is likely more work there (which is possible but not a given) and that it's closer to where he needs to be for the family business - while technically it's closer to the places he'd need to visit as part of the business, he wouldn't be visiting these places every week by any means and can do the actual work anywhere. It would mean though when the time comes to take it over, it will require less (occasional) commuting time from him. I think though that the family business thing is a red herring in many ways, as I think he just doesn't want to live in this part of the uk anymore.

My problem is that we (the kids and me) have a life here. I'd be perfectly happy to live here forever, I just want to put down roots and settle and not feel like the rug is about to be pulled from under me. I feel like DH hasn't really tried to settle here, he's never really socialised with many people etc, but maybe that's a man thing. DH thinks that he can't be happy here, and thinks practically he should be where he grew up as 'he knows it', but he hasn't lived there for 20 years. The family business thing wouldn't require him to work full time on it even when he does inherit it.

Either way he needs another job and there are ones available in the cities nearest us, I know, I've checked, but he's not applying for them as he doesn't want to be tied here. But then he's not applying for other jobs near where he grew up either. He's not showing me houses, researching schools etc, all the things that need to be done before moving 100s of miles. But I don't want to move, so I'm not doing it for him...

What do I do? I'm so tired of our life being on hold cause he doesn't like the current situation, but he's unable to show me how things will be so much better if we move. He's never once sent me a house listing to show me what we could get or anything like that. But anytime we talk about senior school for our eldest he says things like 'well I don't really want them to go there'. It all just feels a bit depressing. He doesn't want to be here anymore, but I don't want to move. I don't know anyone where he grew up - and it's not like he has lots of people he knows still there, there are maybe 2 acquaintances and they have their own lives. I know if we move it will be down to me to find new friends etc, but I feel like I'm too old now to go through all that again.

I love him, I do, but it's got to a point where I'm wondering whether we are just incompatible as we want such different things, I've told him if he wants me on board with moving he needs to sell it to me, but all I hear is why he's sad here, not real concrete reasons why he will be much happier there, just kind of existential stuff.

How do we navigate this?
If you've read this far, thanks, sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
NightmareSlashDelightful · 26/05/2022 12:23

My gut says he's having a reaction to inheriting that family business - does this involve the death of a parent? - and is having some kind of crisis about it, and is seeing where he grew up as a way of reverting back to a time when his parents were happy, healthy etc etc.

None of this means you should move, by the way. But I think getting your heads - as a couple - around the context might help navigate a way through the conversations.

IncompleteSenten · 26/05/2022 12:28

I'd make a list of everything you would lose and everything you would gain.
Include all of you.

The list of things you and the children would lose would be massive and the list of gains would be.

1 - husband might get a job he likes.
2 - perhaps the house will be nice.

It's ridiculous.

StormTreader · 26/05/2022 12:32

"His father and rest of his family are no longer there (they have moved approx 200miles away in different direction) - but it's where he feels is 'home' Sad . He feels that there is likely more work there (which is possible but not a given) and that it's closer to where he needs to be for the family business - while technically it's closer to the places he'd need to visit as part of the business, he wouldn't be visiting these places every week by any means and can do the actual work anywhere. It would mean though when the time comes to take it over, it will require less (occasional) commuting time from him."

"he doesn't want to get a full time one as there is a family business that he's likely to inherit at some point in the next 5ish years"

So this is all on the basis that he MIGHT inherit a business in 5 years, or in 15 years, or never? What happens if his father just decides to sell it? Plus, his family aren't even in that area any more, youre just going from 400 to 200 miles!

rootedhere · 26/05/2022 12:37

@NightmareSlashDelightful he has never been settled living here, but yes, it kind of is coming to a head as the family business thing is becoming more imminent. He is definitely going to inherit it, but time scale is tricky as his father doesn't want to stop, but probably has to sooner rather than later due to his health.
Once he does take over the business moving where he grew up would be closer to the locations he will need to visit, that is definitely true, but while he sees that as a massive thing, I am struggling to as I know that it's not something that needs to be done regularly, the actual day to day work is not location specific.

It's all in the feeling. He feels 'connected' to where he grew up. He doesn't have any connection to here other than us.

He says that he doesn't want me to feel like he does now, so says he will research things etc and sell it to me, but that's going to take time and in the mean time I want him to actually apply for jobs here but he won't.

OP posts:
rootedhere · 26/05/2022 12:42

@StormTreader he will inherit it, I'm sure of that. Whether it will provide full time employment I'm not sure. It's likely to be 5 years at most tbh, could even be later this year, but it's difficult. It's all about his father being willing to hand over the reins, my suspicion is that he's reluctant as once he does that he will 'have nothing to do'. He definitely won't sell it.

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CoralPaperweight · 26/05/2022 12:46

Do not move. It all seems a bit odd to me tbh.

So he works for himself currently but thinks he's undervalued but won't go and work in a company.
He will be taking over the family business but this would have links 400miles away. Does he actually want to do this? Will it uses his skills? Is it in any way connected to what he's doing now. Why isn't he working in the family business now if its so great?
Why does 400miles away feel like 'home' when his parents have moved away.

I'm afraid I don't get any of this OP - normally someone who is going to inherit a family business is working in it first, prior to taking over.

Massive assumption but is 'home' in Scotland or Ireland by any chance?

godmum56 · 26/05/2022 12:47

could you "sell" the counselling to him as preparation? working out what he needs to do in terms of job research and so on...he will need planning help and if he won't get iot from you he needs to get it from somebody...and by extension the getting a job locally temporarily? Moving costs a shedload of money and you don't want to put your savings into it or lose house equity so one of you needs to earn the cost of the move first.

godmum56 · 26/05/2022 12:50

CoralPaperweight · 26/05/2022 12:46

Do not move. It all seems a bit odd to me tbh.

So he works for himself currently but thinks he's undervalued but won't go and work in a company.
He will be taking over the family business but this would have links 400miles away. Does he actually want to do this? Will it uses his skills? Is it in any way connected to what he's doing now. Why isn't he working in the family business now if its so great?
Why does 400miles away feel like 'home' when his parents have moved away.

I'm afraid I don't get any of this OP - normally someone who is going to inherit a family business is working in it first, prior to taking over.

Massive assumption but is 'home' in Scotland or Ireland by any chance?

I sort of get it. I was really happy when I lived in Somerset and when things were bad for me a few years ago, I looked into moving back there, even to my old house....but you can't revisit the past and wherever you go you take your problems and emotions with you...its a pretty common phenomenon though to think if you could just get back geographically to somewhere in your past then everything would be like it was.

nervousnelly8 · 26/05/2022 13:17

I would try to move past the 'why' of moving and encourage him (again) to focus on the 'how'. Be open to a move if he can show you what it would look like and you think it is as good a life as you have now as a family. That involves seriously looking at job prospects for both of you, housing options, schools etc. I wouldn't want my DH to feel trapped in a location he wasn't happy in, but I also know he wouldn't make all the concrete plans/come up with the ideas necessary to make it happen. It must be very frustrating for you.

averythinline · 26/05/2022 14:02

Hes not actually doing anything but moaning.... so either you put up with the moaning or just repeat until he has a job/house/schools sorted where he wants to go your not listening to it anymore..
Rinse repeat ...and just ignore it..
These are your terms for a move... whatever they are.. .

Maybe have one go a getting him to specifically state what will be better for all the family by moving there...

See if there's any compromises that can be identified..
Cards on the table serious planning time....

If hes not up for doing that then youll jusg have to say stop moaning

A catalyst is often needed to change situations so if you want clarity and confidence for the financials then just provide it yourself get yourself a better job...

LateAF · 26/05/2022 19:37

Another one wondering why your DH isn’t already working in the family business? This will give him a better idea of whether the business, financials and occasional commute is viable in the long term. He will also know whether he actually wants to take it over. I would start with that- tell him that you will not entertain a move before he’s actually working for the family business and he would have to have worked there for at least a year before you can make an informed decision on moving your family to his hometown.

And no, definitely do not move in the meantime for such arbitrary reasons.

MsEverywhere · 26/05/2022 19:41

KangarooKenny · 26/05/2022 12:19

Do not move. You and the kids will be miserable.

This. Just don't do it.

I'm talking from experience. For the love of God, just don't move.

Threetulips · 26/05/2022 19:51

I agree to him taking a holiday to wherever ‘home’ was.

I’ve moved away and love where I lived…. Still so … but it’s not home.

RoseWindow · 26/05/2022 19:55

You can’t go back (in time) so going back (in geographic location) won’t give him what he’s hoping for. And sounds totally unrealistic for the rest of you. It’s a tough one but he needs to focus on finding work locally.

tothemoonandbackbuses · 26/05/2022 20:16

self employment can feel like it doesn’t use all your skills whilst being hArd work and repetitive. Can he take a break from it without needing to check emails etc for a week or so?

don’t move. I’ve recently moved and dh thought everything would be perfect after the move. Especially as for many people it’s a dream property. Surprise surprise it was the same shit in a different location with all the work of getting work done on the house and getting unpacked and settled in. We had a really rough first few weeks but as he’s happy in other areas of life he got over it.

BenchOfCompany · 26/05/2022 20:20

Both Dh and I are from the same town. We haven't lived there for 25 years. But we still have family there on both sides and although we have moved and lived in a few different places in the UK we are now close enough to drive for a day visit.

It has completely changed since we lived there. Unrecognisable. Yes it is nice to reminisce but it is not the same. My parents didn't move out of our family home until 15 years ago, although I grew up in it I didn't feel the same connection to it now as when I lived there.

I do think that your Dh will just take his problems with him. He will be upset that it isn't the same as when he was there, he has no family there. It sounds like he is a bit lost and doesn't really know what to do to fix the problem. If he really wanted to move back there he would have been proactive in job searches and schools. Whilst it is still a dream it can meet all of his expectations, when it is a reality it may not and it seems that he knows that.

Does he want to inherit the family business?

cornflakedreams · 26/05/2022 20:49

with DH taking charge of childcare and working part time instead of me, but DH pride was v dented by this idea

Why? Because you're lesser than him? Why should anybody's pride be dented by working part time or caring for their own children? His ego can only be soothed if he's more "successful" than his wife?

This whole thing hinges on his ego and his pride. He feels done over by the world for not recognising his magnificence and is punishing you - and the kids - for it. If he can break the good things in your life and make you miserable, then he'll be happy about that.

Disengaging from planning his children's education to make a point? That's not ok.

Where he grew up doesn't exist. This place where he's a superstar in his working life doesn't exist.

It's not location that's making him unhappy, it's his choices. The choice to operate his business in a way that's not financially sound, the choice to refuse to engage with the community he lives in, the choice to reject the stable successful life he has, the choice to resent his wife for not being in his shadow, the choice not to pursue employment...

You chose to build a happy fulfilling secure life for yourself, he chose not to. He doesn't get to punish you for that.

AnnaMagnani · 26/05/2022 20:57

Couples counselling, it sounds like he is depressed and the solution he has come up with is to go back to his youth 20 years ago.

But without making the effort to find a house or a job, and uprooting his wife and kids in the process.

He's living in a fantasy that it would fix his unhappiness but not getting off his bum to either make it happen, or improve his situation where he is. Probably because it is preferable to him on some level to carry on low level moaning than take the risk of actually doing something.

madasawethen · 26/05/2022 20:59

Happiness is a choice.
He does sound a bit mid life crisis.
He's had every chance to make a life where he is but he hasn't and he'd rather moan about his childhood home, which of course is not the same.

What has he said about counselling? He really does need it.
What is his excuse for not making friends and being involved in the community?

But no, there is no way I would move when you've got the perfect set up for your family.

xcvmnmb · 26/05/2022 21:06

OP, I'm sorry. That's a horrible situation for you to be in.

Perhaps it's true that you 'made' your husband move to where you live now. But things have changed since then, and your children's lives and stability and happiness now matter more than yours or your husband's. They are happy and settled where they are. The only way you could reasonably unsettle them is if there were no choice. You both need to put your own feelings aside and work out what is best for the children at this point. From what you have said, I would guess that staying put is the best thing for them. The fact that it's also best for you plays a role in this, as you are the one who spends more time with them.

LittleOwl153 · 26/05/2022 21:40

I wouldn't move without him sorting himself out.
If you move with him and he still doesn't get his life together and you cannot continue being married he will have trapped you into being away from the support you have with the children as well as their/your life.

I would suggest the holiday in the area. Then if he is still insistent that it is the right move I would expect him to get a full time job which earns enough to live the lifestyle you currently live in the new area (400miles is a lifestyle change so costs will vary) and stick at that job for 6 months using temporary accommodation before I would uproot the children. My guess is such a move won't change life for him if anything it will make things worse as he won't have the 'dream' to hold onto anymore.

Tbh I would be unimpressed by his attitude towards work currently and I would be giving him the choice of either he gets a full time role now within commutable distance of where you live, or you do and he takes over with the kids. Doing nothing would not be an option for me. If he wants to make a distance move it takes money. Money to sell and buy a house, move all the stuff, do the journeys back and forth to sort things out. If you are just keeping you heads above water now you cannot afford to move so things need to change to enable that to happen anyway.

It sounds like he is giving up. Maybe he's depressed (in which case he needs to see a GP) or maybe he is just anchoring after a past life pre kids etc. But I wouldn't be giving up my future and security for him right now.

rootedhere · 26/05/2022 22:55

@cornflakedreams what you've said is pretty brutal, but it does ring true to an extent and I think you've hit the nail on the head of my frustration at the situation - I feel his 'choice to refuse to engage with the community' in particular is so so frustrating. I have told him this, and over the years I have tried so hard to get him to DO things with people here - do one of the many things that you can round here that I know he'd enjoy, but he doesn't.

For me, while yes, the city we moved to initially was a draw for me as it was where I grew up and my family are there; where we are now in the countryside I had no connection to when younger, and what makes it feel HOME to me is the friends, the people, all of whom are people we've got to know since moving here. I think DH thinks that as I make friends easier than him that I can do it all again, but that feels v unfair.

Where we live isn't perfect, things can annoy me at times, but I'm sure that anywhere is the same, and I feel we've been so lucky to stumble upon this village! The thought of moving away fills me with dread, even just logistically before I add emotionally.

DH is a brilliant dad in that he's v hands on with the kids and he's so patient and kind with them, while I'm the one always telling them off.. However, he's not the one who facilitates the relationships the kids have, he doesn't sort nursery / school stuff, he doesn't sort play dates, he doesn't know what the kids have on each day unless I tell him, so he doesn't know how much goes into that sort of stuff and how moving would need all that to be built again. He says 'kids are adaptable' - which yes, they probably are, and they'd probably be fine in time if I throw myself into it, but the really angry part of me thinks why should I when he never did the same here? (If we did end up moving I would of course do my best, as would need to for the kids sake).

Since first posting I've messaged a counsellor I've seen recommended and they've replied - their fees are eye watering, so that's going to be hard to convince DH to do. Will have to look around to see if others aren't so expensive.

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Loopytiles · 27/05/2022 07:53

Counselling is indeed costly but so is divorce!

Wouldn’t engage with any ‘hows’ of moving if you’re certain you’re unwilling to. It’s not U to prioritise your DC and self.

If so, your H’s choices are to adjust to the current situation, eg by making more effort and getting a job, or divorce. With the latter he would also have the option to move to a place of his choice, alone - without the DC most of the time. Good fathers don’t do that. For those of us who moved long distance for our spouses and now have DC it’s ‘the deal’.

Doingmybest12 · 27/05/2022 08:17

I have been your husband, unsettled in my husbands area my whole married life. Endless talk about moving home but not doing anything about it. It has taken 30 years to accept this as where my life is fully and it is still a sad thing not to be at 'home.' Hopefully I don't/didn't make everyone's lives a misery though and particularly when the children went to school and clubs I began to feel connected to the area and community. It sounds like a horrible limbo you are living in. I would push on making your life where you are , show cursory interest and understanding about where he is coming from and look at the realities of a move when he actually has a plan.

VentBox · 17/08/2023 11:11

Have things changed at all yet? Did the counselling work out?