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Friends with Benefits - or is it? Mixed signals. Colleague.

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Sophia1980ES · 23/05/2022 08:12

Hey everyone, lovely to meet you all, first time poster here.

I'm 41, came out of a 6 year rship several months ago; ended because we were sexually incompatible and didnt have sex for last 4 years of our r'ship (wonderful, caring, kind, loving man - but wasn't into sex/had performance issues).

10 months ago, i started a new job working in very close proximity to my work colleague. He's 36, single, not married, no kids.

I never looked at him in that light when i met him, as he wasn't my usual type. When i met him he was single, then met someone after a few months. He used to give me the odd lift to the station and text me on my bday/christmas - but didn't look into it or anything.

Several weeks ago he was on holiday with his friend and i was covering him at work; he sent me photos of the scenery where he was and asked how i was getting on in his absence/any news work front (he runs the job we are both on).

Fast forward a week later (6 weeks ago); his rship ended after 6 months. She ended it i believe, but was amicable discussion. She had 2 kids so don't know if they played a part but..

Anyway, conveniently around the same time, he did show interest by texting me to make sure i got home ok (after dropping me off at the station), and wishing me a good weekend. Then it progressed to 'if you're bored later', i.e. if i wanted to chat in the night time (which we'd never done before). I said i didn't want to cross that line and he apologised. I don't recall the turning point but anyway, things became a little flirty (cheeky, not sexual). God knows how I suddenly started to see him in a new, attractive light, but i did.

The texts became more frequent - he was always the pursuer, not me. I made it clear i wanted to regain some control over the situation by allowing me to do the chasing - i.e. i'll text him maybe once through the week and weekends is ok. It was lovely being pursued but i wanted to be in control - emotionally aswell.

He would continue to drop me off at the station after work (this isn't everyday - just couple of times a week, as I WFH 3 days a week). Again, he'd text me asking if i got home ok and texts became more frequent after i got home from work.

When it became clear that a strong chemistry had developed, we did speak about expectations. I said i didn't want a relationship (been in them most of my life), prob more of a FWB thing - a term he said he doesn't normally like to use, but understood the situation.

One day when he dropped me off at the station, about 6 weeks ago now, he went in for a kiss and it was amazing. We did briefly talk about the fact he'd only just come out of a rship and i didnt want to be seen as some sort of rebound; he said he didn't see it like that.

Anyway, for last 6 weeks it's just become more intense - like, him texting me every day of an evening. I love it, don't get me wrong, but subsequently, i have become emotionally involved with him. I've began to fall (but not in love), because he has given me that impression he is interested in not just sex. For exaxmple, texts like 'see you tomorrow beautiful'; 'i would make love to you'; 'you're funny, intelligent, have a big heart'; and things like 'i just want sex with you'; 'i want you to be just mine'; 'id be happy to just spoon/cuddle'. etc. Also, he'd send photos of the meal he had, if he went to a restaurant, or photos of ceramics he made at his weekly ceramics club, photos of him in his friends garden where he was helping them dig up some soil, photos of his group of friends showing them all at a Eurovision party (i'm a massive Eurovision fan). So you can see how these texts/photos are giving me a different impression to that of it just being about sex....

In a different conversation more recentl, we spoke about what type of rship would we have - if not a conventional normal one - (because i didn't want a 'normal' rship'. So i said something like 'not living together, not text everyday, no rship obligations you typically have' etc. He followed this up with 'so would we hold hands... go for lunch...'. We did arrange to meet up actually, at his, because a few weeks earlier he said 'i know this is random but would you like to meet for lunch? or we could go for walk, i could pick you up. Just platonic'. I didn't take him up on it at the time, but asked him few weeks later (last weekend) if he were up for it, and he said he was. In the end it was cancelled, as we both agreed that it would just lead to sex in the end.

As for sex - i said i wouldn't sleep with him until we no longer work together. I'm due to move onto a different job in 4 weeks, and he respects and understands that. He said he's not interested in Tinder and is happy to wait. Things have become more intense because we have become sexually intimate (no oral, just touching). The chemistry is insane.

What really fcked with me head was last Friday. So, he gave me a lift to the station again, but much closer to home ( i work 50 miles away, so he drove me 25 miles closer to a station) - he lives 120 miles away. We became super passionate in the car as the rain poured down and anyway, i left to grab the train. He text me saying he got home ok and we continued to text throughout the night. Texts got more sexually heated and at one point he was talking about kissing me passionately whilst we made love. But this is where it really fcked with my head. So he continues this conversation by saying he'd kiss my neck...spoon me....and then he said 'I'd whisper in your ear........ I love you Sophia'.

It thew me. Naturally. I know he didn't mean it. Imemdiately i shot him down and said 'Dont say things like that. They're strong words which shouldn't be used lightly. Especially when i'm trying to be emotionally resilient'. He apologised and backtracked saying 'im sorry i meant id love to make love to you'. Didn't wash. We moved on from that, but i felt a little angry he'd make a throw away comment like that, especially when i am emotionally involved with him now. We ended the convo about 1am, where he accidently nodded off. The last text i sent him was in response to what sort of long term rship set up would i see us having. Woke up next morning (Saturday gone) to a string of texts saying 'Morning... sorry i nodded off.... interesting dynamic for a rship you mentioned....would we hold hands? Go for lunch? Then have passionate sex'.

So yeh, my head's a bit f*cked. I thought i could do the whole FWB thing but know I can't now. Thankfully i haven't slept with him, nor done oral or anything.

Over the weekend it was pretty quiet, but we text alot last night - but it was chiefly just sexual. Very sexual stuff, photos etc. To the point i felt put off. Why? Because he went from being this guy on Friday night, who came across like he was in love with me, to just very transactional.

What the hell am i supposed to take from these texts where he's sending me photos of what he's up to, photos of his friends, asking if i got home ok, saying he wants to make love to me/or just wants to cuddle, texts saying he just wants sex with me and doesn't want to share me either.

Eugh, i totally see this as a rebound sitatuation but saying/doing those things in the aforementioned paragraph is giving me mixed signals.

Any insight would be appreciated, thank you :)

OP posts:
user83657564 · 23/05/2022 17:27

He likes you.

You're trying to fuck it up to prove that you're right and a normal relationship won't work for you.

He still likes you.

You're going to ...
(a) carry on proving you're right by being a headfuck, or
(b) give him a fair chance by trying a straightforward date, or
(c) stop pissing him about and let him go?

Which will hurt him most? I'm guessing you'll choose that.

notlongtoo · 23/05/2022 18:38

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Cheeseballer · 23/05/2022 19:14

Sounds like you're stringing him along. If you like him, see what happens. If you're not sure then don't. Stop over complicating everything!

PriestessofPing · 23/05/2022 19:34

I think you’re so worried about being rejected you are giving mixed messages and will end up in a drama fuelled situation with this guy. You need to decide what you want. If you want a FWB then have sex with him when you’re ready and keep it at that. If you are looking to date stop all this sex chat and go out on a date.

What you’re doing right now is trying to hedge your bets, know that he wants you for more than sex but being so afraid of what happens if not you’re actively discouraging him from wanting more than sex. And then telling him off or being put out for both making more emotionally based comments AND for sexual comments.

Who is to say if this is a decent guy or not who will treat you well? We all look for red flags and try to have good boundaries but at the end of the day it’s always a bit of a gamble deciding to get to know someone more deeply. If you’re not ready to take that risk with him then stop.

PriestessofPing · 23/05/2022 19:38

And also - it’s not all just about you and your fears. This is another human you are interacting with who is probably confused as fuck right now, and who has also not long gone through a breakup. Have you considered you could end up being the ‘bad guy’ here, not him, by being playing all these games and giving so many mixed messages?

How do you know he isn’t feeling vulnerable and unsure? It isn’t just about you and your relationship fears. You’ve been hurt, who among us hasn’t? That doesn’t give you the right to treat anyone like they have to prove themselves and dance to your tune which changes each time you feel fear or anxiety. A new relationship, friendship, FWB should be about mutual enjoyment, care and companionship, not about someone else being a salve for your past hurts.

Cliftontherocks · 23/05/2022 19:49

you might benefit from counselling

why not start dating and see where it goes?

why not have a loving mutual relationship with commitment and give it a chance

if anyone sound confused it is you - the guy is interested and you are already boxing it and say I only want this - boundaries fine but you don’t control if he loves you or gets emotionally involved etc

MrsBlaue · 23/05/2022 20:10

Calphurnia88 · 23/05/2022 11:31

I'm VERY confused about what you want from this 'relationship' and I expect he is too.

That's pretty much it!

errm…”rship” if I may correct you😄

watcherintherye · 23/05/2022 20:14

You asked what it is I want him to do? I want him to say he’s falling in love with me.

But previously -

But this is where it really fcked with my head. So he continues this conversation by saying he'd kiss my neck...spoon me....and then he said 'I'd whisper in your ear........ I love you Sophia'.

It thew me. Naturally. I know he didn't mean it. Imemdiately i shot him down and said 'Dont say things like that. They're strong words which shouldn't be used lightly. Especially when i'm trying to be emotionally resilient'. He apologised and backtracked saying 'im sorry i meant id love to make love to you'. Didn't wash.

So the minute he mentioned the possibility of saying ‘I love you’, you’re horrified - I shot him down, despite saying that’s what you want. You say it was because you didn’t think he meant it. From your response, however, he, and anyone, would think that your horror stemmed from the fact that he might mean it. At this point he backs off, and says he meant something else, but you’re not happy even then - Didn’t wash.
So you didn’t believe he meant it, made him backtrack and then didn’t believe his denial. This guy doesn’t stand a chance. He has no way of knowing what you want!

watcherintherye · 23/05/2022 20:24

I also think you might benefit from counselling or therapy. In the nicest possible way, you need to sort your own head out, so you don’t mess with someone else’s, which is what you’re doing. You’re overthinking the minutiae and doing a grand job of sabotaging the chance of any kind of relationship. There’s a bigger picture to be looked at here.

ElenaSt · 23/05/2022 20:31

It sounds to me that you're playing games with him and dangling him on a bit of string making him dance to your tune.

AMBE123 · 23/05/2022 20:33

watcherintherye · 23/05/2022 20:14

You asked what it is I want him to do? I want him to say he’s falling in love with me.

But previously -

But this is where it really fcked with my head. So he continues this conversation by saying he'd kiss my neck...spoon me....and then he said 'I'd whisper in your ear........ I love you Sophia'.

It thew me. Naturally. I know he didn't mean it. Imemdiately i shot him down and said 'Dont say things like that. They're strong words which shouldn't be used lightly. Especially when i'm trying to be emotionally resilient'. He apologised and backtracked saying 'im sorry i meant id love to make love to you'. Didn't wash.

So the minute he mentioned the possibility of saying ‘I love you’, you’re horrified - I shot him down, despite saying that’s what you want. You say it was because you didn’t think he meant it. From your response, however, he, and anyone, would think that your horror stemmed from the fact that he might mean it. At this point he backs off, and says he meant something else, but you’re not happy even then - Didn’t wash.
So you didn’t believe he meant it, made him backtrack and then didn’t believe his denial. This guy doesn’t stand a chance. He has no way of knowing what you want!

This ☝️

Opentooffers · 23/05/2022 21:26

I think it's a case of 2 headfucked people who have crossed paths. It's fairly standard that women would ideally prefer their man to care a bit when having sex - being in love by that point, might be a high ideal, but let's just say that by dangling him there is likely more chance of him being keen.
You're still hoping that you can personally avoid getting attached, while insisting that he gets attached. Trouble is, if you really were not up for an emotional connection, it wouldn't matter to you what he thought. You've already said you have rejection issues. The best way to avoid rejection is not to turn casual against the grain, but to take time and do your best to find someone right for you, so rejection never happens. Or, take more time out until you can realise that rejection really just means that they weren't right for you either. Did you not eventually reject your ex? ( it's not great it took you 4 years, that's some major attachment right there) Do you not from your side concede that you were not right for him (because he'd seemingly be better off with someone with a low or no libido).
It's sad when someone else ends it, but really if they were right for you, they would of stuck around, it's not necessarily personal. The problem with this fella is, he doesn't look like he'd be right for anyone, I think you've taken long enough to suss this about him. He'd of given me the ick ages ago by being to sexual in texts - shining out NOT RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL, so beware whatever you decide.

Rainbowshit · 23/05/2022 22:54

You're both single and you're making it this much hard work? 🙈

Agree with others you need some professional counselling.

YetAnotherNam · 24/05/2022 06:38

Agree with most posters about how overly complicated this is and how you’re sending mixed messages

also, You keep saying he just came out of a relationship,
but it was for 6 months, that was a lifetime when we were 14, but as adults it’s not that much to be honest, he’s probably moved on in his head.

this set up is clearly not making you (and him) happy. Why don’t you meet up with him and explain your fears/hang ups and see what happens?

if he’s a good guy, he’ll stick around and maybe things will work out, if he runs away, then good riddance, better to know now than down the line.

AWOL66 · 24/05/2022 10:56

I was thinking about this last night since posting my comment and can relate to some of it and wonder if you've heard of the different attachment styles: anxious, avoidant, anxious-avoidant, secure? I think you think you're avoidant of relationships right now but I think you may have an anxious attachment style. This means you get anxiety about ENDING anything so fight off red flags and spend a lot of time anxiously analysing where you are with a man. This could be even after one date with an unsuitable man (getting anxious that they won't want to meet up again and have rejected you) or long term relationships.

I don't know what he's truly like but I can't shake off the feeling that this very sexual stuff is a red flag to me. I feel like some see him as more romantic than he is - he's sending you explicit photos, talking dirty and then saying stuff like you've got a big heart knowing you're not 100 per cent sure about him. You may have played a part in pushing for the sexual stuff but he sounds a bit full on. I can't see this as the prelude to a long romance.

You aren't dipping your toe in the water you're actually seeing this guy in my book.
I would find a therapist to work through everything with you.

Having had a relationship with a lack of sex in the end I think you shouldn't be meeting anyone over sexualised early on like this guy. You may be vulnerable to romantising stuff or seeing dangerous/sleazy sexual behaviours from men as fun and racy not toxic, from yearning to feel desired.

You need someone straight forward, who you really fancie, who really fancies you, who's trust worthy, who has a secure attachment style themselves to go on fun dates with and see where it goes. 💖

Sophia1980ES · 26/05/2022 21:01

Hi everyone :)

Just an update on developments..

I took on board what most people were aluding to with the responses, I.e I'm the one sending mixed signals.

So I've just been more myself, less 'playing it cool', allowing him to be himself and not criticise if he's verbally emotionally open.

He's definitely been more responsive and texting me more frequently. He's reached out to me more of an evening and it hasn't always ending up flirting /talking sexual.

We were intimate Tuesday after work. Not sex, and no oral from me. It was very passionate/sensual (this was in his car as we didn't have anywhere else to go after work. The kissing was passionate yet it was affectionate too, kissing me on the cheeks and temples. We spoke for a good while after our little passionate encounter. It was a lovely chilled chat.

So I left the car to walk down to the station platform, and he texts me 5 mins later saying he has pulled up to tell me how great that was. We continued to text for good 15 mins and yeh, it was lovely and sweet. He text me when he got back home too, and said if I were up for chatting later to drop him a text (course I did).

We've spoken about how we'll wait to have sex and he said he'd be up for a cuddle, kissing and spooning, if we were to arrange going somewhere Friday after work (tomorrow). He suggested a hotel which, at first, I was a bit reserved about it but then agreed as I thought life is too short. Again, he said we just do kissing, cuddling and no sex. Couldn't have been happier with that.

Its funny but, he had to dart off work early yesterday to go to his evening class and just before he left, another work colleague (male, youngish, good looking but I see him as a mate) offered me a lift to the station and the object of my affection overheard this offer. I said why not (its a 15 min walk to local station), no harm done. So later in the evening, the object of my affection text me and asked how I was. I responded and said I was good, and I said it felt strange not being in the car with him after work, but with my other male colleague. His response was 'Didn't accidentally put your hand on his knee by accident did you! 🤣'. I read that as him being a little bit jealous which was good. Reassure him nothing to worry about.

Anyway, so today I spoke to him alot this morning via text before work. Then at the end of the day he sends me this text :

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OP posts:
Sophia1980ES · 26/05/2022 21:12

continued -

"Hey Sophia,Ive jumed the gun a bit. I wantto wait a bit longer before we stay together, even if we're not having sex. I'm sorry, i shouldnt have suggested it. The excitement got the better of me. It's quite an intimate step up and i'm not ready just yet x".

I responded with 'no problem, i understand x'

And he replied back just saying how sorry he was. I asked whether he was completely backing off, or was it just the hotel/staying over thing - he said it wa just the staying over thing.

I said it was find and probably best in hindsight.

So yeh, that's off then! Part of me is like 'oh he must be getting a bit too emotionally involved/too soon after his split over two months ago', or, i dont know.

What do you think? I feel like i've been rejected.

OP posts:
smileyworld · 27/05/2022 06:50

You both seem very young. And not mature enough for a 'ship'.

Calphurnia88 · 27/05/2022 07:34

In all honesty, after your latest update I would assume that either he was in relationship/seeing someone else or just wasn't that interested in anything serious.

Unless I have missed something (which is possible since I find this scenario very confusing), the whole thing seems to be playing out via encounters in his car and text messages, most of which have been sexual in nature.

He's decided against the hotel because he isn't ready for that 'step up' but hasn't suggested anything that would allow you to get to know each other on a non sexual basis i.e. a date.

If it were me in this scenario I would go one of two ways:

  1. Test the waters by suggesting you go for a drink after work tonight instead. You already know he's available, so if he says no then I think this will tell you what you need to know about the nature of his interest in you
  2. Back off altogether. There's something off about this 'relationship' but only you can decide whether that is the case

Part of me is like 'oh he must be getting a bit too emotionally involved/too soon after his split over two months ago', or, i dont know.

I think this is something we tell ourselves to feel better when we're feeling rejected but is very rarely the case. Sorry.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 27/05/2022 07:42

He likes you
it’s as simple as that

and he probably wants to have a relationship And see how it goes

your the one who’s giving mixed signals !

either crack on and give it a go and see what happens , and set boundaries

or don’t !

Aprilx · 27/05/2022 07:54

I really couldn’t be bothered with any of this, far too much hard work. I am bewildered at the planning a hotel and saying you will wait to have sex when you haven’t even been on a date yet. What exactly is this set up going to be, that is a rhetorical question, I just don’t get it.

Shakeupandwakeup · 27/05/2022 07:58

Baffling. Two single people like and fancy each other. Keep it simple. Go out with each other. No drama.

lassof · 27/05/2022 08:28

My advice stands.
Get a hobby
You very obviously need something to keep your mind occupied or else you end up in these pointless obsessions.

Watchkeys · 27/05/2022 10:10

Drop the drama, and don't get involved with someone who confuses you, unless you enjoy being confused.

There's nothing complicated here, and you're making a soap opera out of it. Spend your time and energy on people you have clear, open communication with.

That's it. The full story.

totallyoutnumbered · 27/05/2022 11:30

There's far too much talking about it and analysis going on here. Meet up, date, shag, whatever. See how it goes. It seems unnecessarily complicated to be honest and I really couldn't be arsed with that. Oh and say what you mean and mean what you say. Hate game players