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Do you think he ever loved me?

28 replies

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 01:06

I was very young and very immature and very stupid.

I was 19 almost 20 and working at a building company, and I met this guy, let's call him Steve. He was 29 and he was married. He had been since he was 21. I knew that. I was very messed up for most of my teens and early 20s wrt relationships. He was one of the surveyors and we used to flirt. I was giddy about it and one Friday he asked me out. I went for a drink with him and we snogged in his car. I wrote lots of giddy comments about it in my diary. He had a small son aged about 3 or 4. I was jealous and tried not to think about it.

He was then terrified about being seen. So we used to meet at my house when my parents had gone out. Or when I was babysitting. I slept with Steve and he told me he had fallen in love with me. I was giddy as a kipper. I was jealous of his wife and resentful of him not making a commitment to me. He messed me about for months. Six months later I met someone else my own age. (He is another story) He also messed me about, but Steve didn't like it.

He used to say things to me like I was sweet. He would say "smile for me" if ever I was upset. (upset about him treating me like an option). I was obsessed with songs that reminded me of him and I used to tape the top 40 every Sunday to make me think of him.

That Christmas Steve bought me an expensive jewellery box and some expensive perfume. Whether I was sad or happy depended on what Steve said to me. He walked out on me at the Christmas party. I was so furious I phoned his house and told him to piss off when he answered and slammed it down. On Monday morning he was driving up and down the bottom of my road as I went to work. I was flattered. He must be doing this because he loved me! My diary read like Bridget Jones on acid. I stayed in a lot in the evening just thinking about him.

He asked me to go away with him for a weekend after Christmas. This turned out to be working on a building site 150 miles away and staying in a Travelodge. He left me in the hotel whilst he went to the site and took me to a Harvester for dinner. Then dropped me at home and told me not to tell anyone.

My 21st came around. He told me he had bought me a really good present. It never materialised. He said it was locked in his work filing cabinet. I got someone to break into it and it was empty. Challenged him and he called me a nutcase and a headf**k.

I never felt good enough. I thought if I was good enough then I would have him to myself.

I left the building company. He burst into tears and drove me home on the last day, gave me an expensive fountain pen. He said he loved me.

Six months after that I got married - yes very fast. To yet someone else. Mistake. Steve drove by once when I was at the bus stop. He offered me a lift. He told me I was making a big mistake getting married (he turned out to be right. But that was not what he meant at the time).

He told me that he fell in love very easily. That he was very sensitive and easily hurt. That I had the potential to break his heart. These years later I still wonder what he thought.

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FlissyPaps · 11/05/2022 01:13

Sounds tough OP. I hope you are OK and happy now💐

No one can say for certain if he truly loved you or not. But, if he was stringing you along and his wife at the same time - my guess is he probably didn’t love either of you. He was probably a narcissist love bomber who only cared for himself and his own feelings. (Hence only seeing you in secret and telling you “not to tell anyone”) Getting his cake and eating type of guy.

YukoandHiro · 11/05/2022 01:19

In answer to your question: no. He was a cheat and an abuser, and now you are older you would recognise that and avoid him. That's why he picked younger women.

Learn from it and move on. I hope you've found some peace and happiness some. If you're still struggling I would suggest some counselling.

Bristlenose · 11/05/2022 01:22

I liked the “Giddy as a Kipper” bit.

CheekyHobson · 11/05/2022 05:14

No, he probably didn't but that doesn't mean anything was wrong with you, it's because he's got major issues and deals with them in a very awkward way.

The only thing to learn from it all is that as soon as a man starts treating you like a backup plan, second-best to someone else or as though you're not worth his full attention, walk away. You're worth more than crumbs of love, even if the crumbs seem to promise that a whole cake could be waiting for you.

EarringsandLipstick · 11/05/2022 06:52

This is a really sad story. I hope you are much happier now.

Sadly, he thought nothing & was using you.

You were very young and your decisions were not good ones. And some were appalling I got someone to break into it and it was empty. (what?!)

Maybe it would be worth having some counselling if these events are affecting you still?

Ballsaque · 11/05/2022 06:57

The detail in this story is extensive OP.

I get the impression you still think about this a lot?

SuspiciousBanana · 11/05/2022 06:58

No. He was a vile nasty controlling dishonest liar OP! He’d have been shit scared of you telling his wife. You were so young! It wasn’t your fault.

I really hope you’re happy now.

I hope he’s miserable as sin! He’s probably been at it with others ever since.

EarringsandLipstick · 11/05/2022 07:28

It wasn’t your fault.

I'm not sure how helpful this is. While I don't think using the word 'fault' is helpful, OP was still old enough to be aware that sleeping with a married man with children, and breaking into his work property, were not good choices.

I think it might be better for OP to reflect on the events that led to her not valuing herself or her needs more, as indicated in her OP. Counselling would be helpful for this.

GreyCarpet · 11/05/2022 07:31

I had a few men try this with me when I was 19 and they were early 30s.

I had one who would.come and visited me at my place of work every day, bring me ice creams, wait for me at lunch, tell me how beautiful I was... I was surprised/confused/probably a bit flattered because I didn't know how readily men did this sort of thing.

Another would send mix tapes in the post, sit in his car outside my flat (my flat mate saw him more than once), tell me he'd fallen in love with me...

There were more...

Nothing ever happened with any of them. They were married and I had morals but, in my naivety, I didn't shut it down as quickly as I should. One of them did run off with a friend who was even younger than me eventually.

When I was 21, my 36 year old boss tried similar. It was difficult because he was boss. He found a better job working more closely with him, gave me lifts to work everyday because it was further away, kissed me at the Christmas party and then invited me out for a drink. I went. He told me that he'd fallen in love with me, that he'd been married for 9 years amd had never felt this way about anyone either before or since his marriage and could we see each other outside of work more often. I told him that I'd have to speak with his wife first and check she was OK with it, left and found another job. He barely spoke to me after that drink and didn't say goodbye when I left.

None of them were in love with me. They were all married men who'd had their head turned by someone younger than their wives. It meant nothing and I'm so glad I didn't fall for any of it.

I'm now 48 and I still have issues with married men trying it on on occasion. I was 43 the last time anyone went to great lengths - bringing me gifts at work etc. I lost a good family friendship in 2019 because my friend's husband told me he'd been in love with me for years. The same year, another friend's husband said the same but fortunately the friendship wasn't damaged irreparably and I still see them both but rarely speak to the husband now.

The world is full of 'Steves'. No, they aren't in love.

Aboutdamntime · 11/05/2022 07:36

Maybe he loved you, maybe he didn’t, maybe he thought he loved you once. Why does it matter now? He didn’t treat you well and it was a very messy situation.

It must have been a long time ago if you were taping the top 40. I really would not go over and over it, analysing it and trying to work it out. What is your situation now?

Watchkeys · 11/05/2022 07:39

'Love' is such a broad and subjective term. What we say to you is completely irrelevant to how he felt. Why does it matter to you? Telling some strangers the story and then asking them if they think he was in love with you... what difference will it make to you what we say?

Why are you grasping at straws? What's lacking currently in your life that you're spending time writing out this whole story? That's really what you need to work out, rather than trying to answer a question to which you'll never have an answer.

Fairislefandango · 11/05/2022 07:41

Does it matter if he loved you? He was a cheat, was taking advantage of you and clearly never had any intention for you to be anything other than 'a bit on the side'. You were very young, so it's not surprising you were gullible and dramatic about it. I hope moved on to have more sensible relationships with equal partners.

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 08:40

Thank you for comments people. I am going through my past and trying to work out why I chose the same twats over and over. Why they came into my arena. Looking at my childhood and upbringing that was not good. @Watchkeys I feel like I need a good clear out of relationships and the things I did and why. It might be a long and painful process. It has affected my life for years (not just this man. Others too).

I have watched my aunt who is 63 constantly in tears over regrets and choices. I don't want to be like her. But I feel I want to address it all now.

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Watchkeys · 11/05/2022 08:51

You don't need to look at any old relationships. You are free of them. They are not in your life.

What is in your life is your habitual response to being treated poorly: to, in some way, overlook it. That's what you need to be pulling to pieces. When someone does something that makes you feel bad, why aren't you standing up and saying 'Hey, I don't like that'. That's all you need to work out.

You've been in bad relationships because you haven't upheld your boundaries. To have good boundaries, all you need to do is hang around in places/with people where you feel good, and leave behind those that make you feel bad. That's it. It's that simple. If you can do that from now on, you don't need to pull any of your past apart. I know it sounds simple, but you already know that people did things you didn't like, and you stayed with them. That's all that needs to change.

I had counselling and realised this with a thud. Suddenly, there was nothing wrong with me. Suddenly, I didn't need to endlessly analyse people who weren't in my life. Suddenly the minutiae didn't matter any more. Massively liberating, and quite scary, initially, because what I realised is that I am responsible for me. I am responsible for taking care of my own feelings, so if I'm unhappy, I am responsible for walking away. None of this has anything to do with my past. It has everything to do with my present and my future.

Look forwards, OP. You can spend your life picking at the minutiae of long-gone relationships. Have more self respect than to spend your time on such a miserable task. Never let anybody stay in your life if they don't respect your feelings. That's it. And you know, that if you'd been doing that all along, you wouldn't have had those relationships in the past, so you know it's true.

RedRobyn2021 · 11/05/2022 08:54

He sounds like a bad person OP

What was it about him that was actually worth your time?

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 09:57

RedRobyn2021 · 11/05/2022 08:54

He sounds like a bad person OP

What was it about him that was actually worth your time?

I thought I was in love with him simple as that and I guess I didn't want to be dumped again

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CharSiu · 11/05/2022 10:04

I remember the approaches by men when I was just starting out at work . My favourite was a 40 year old who declared love, sent me flowers and took me out to lunch. I was 21 and enjoyed the free lunch and then enjoyed telling him why he was ridiculous. I was actually quite rude and he was very senior to me. I then remember telling all the women I worked with about it.

Everyone is a combination of their upbringing, events and how susceptible they are to social conditioning and how much worth they put on men.

Sadly for them but luckily for me I had two of my much older sisters, return to the family home after breaking up with their husbands. I saw their distress and they also gave me long lectures about men. I was only 15/16 but I took note.

Unfortunately many men take advantage of young women, that guy was scum and targeted you and probably others.

I think addressing the pattern of these awful men would be a good idea, maybe some counselling if you can afford it.

Minimalme · 11/05/2022 10:04

He probably thought he was in love with you, like you thought you were in love with him.

The reality was a fling driven by sexual attraction, dissatisfaction and insecurity.

The fact you are thinking in such depth about a non-relationship years later suggests you need counselling.

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 10:27

Minimalme · 11/05/2022 10:04

He probably thought he was in love with you, like you thought you were in love with him.

The reality was a fling driven by sexual attraction, dissatisfaction and insecurity.

The fact you are thinking in such depth about a non-relationship years later suggests you need counselling.

I have actually approached IAPT for a pre-counselling assessment. I think, well it is a no brainer, that this stemmed from my upbringing. My dad was abusive and my mum a skivvy. There wasn't a role model for a successful relationship.

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smallbirdwidesky · 11/05/2022 10:30

No, he did not love you.

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 10:34

@Minimalme That's it isn't it? Non-relationship. Many of mine were but they had such an impact on me. Each one impacted the next.

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Minimalme · 11/05/2022 11:06

That's great that you are looking to understand your past relationships - make sure you keep the focus on you though.

Remember it is you who chose these men - not because you are 'to blame' but because of past experiences. The men themselves are irrelevant.

You need to understand your past - pre-dating - before you can move forward.

I wish you all the best Flowers

ValerieCupcake · 11/05/2022 11:53

Minimalme · 11/05/2022 11:06

That's great that you are looking to understand your past relationships - make sure you keep the focus on you though.

Remember it is you who chose these men - not because you are 'to blame' but because of past experiences. The men themselves are irrelevant.

You need to understand your past - pre-dating - before you can move forward.

I wish you all the best Flowers

Thank you this is helpful. I had a very troubled upbringing. My father was abusive. Not sexually, but financially and was a bully to me and to my mum. I hated it at home. I was sworn at and called names. Told I was expected to leave school and bring in money to the house and work in a factory. Was obsessed with having a boyfriend and someone to like me because at school I was told I was ugly as I had Crystal Tipps hair. Got a boyfriend and got engaged, but I was bored and eventually split up at 19. This was when I met Steve at work. First job at 17 office junior, shouted at and yelled at by the boss and bullied by the office junior. I can see the pattern. But why I allowed it is what I need an answer for.

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GreyCarpet · 11/05/2022 13:11

But why I allowed it is what I need an answer for

Well I think you've already answered this yourself and had it answered by others.

You were young, you were naive, you didn't know any better (due to upbringing). Now you are older, more experienced and do know better and so, hopefully, you won't make the same mistake again.

I don't know what else you're looking for really.

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