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Narcissistic husband?

30 replies

Peachteach · 22/04/2022 21:12

Hi
First time poster. I’ve been unhappy in my marriage for a while and after a bit of research I think my husband is a narcissist.
We can get along really well ( when having a drink for example) but I have experienced anxiety since we met and, after 20 years of therapy and antidepressants ( off and on) I am now thinking the problem is him. The main times of stress are when my family ( mum and brother) are involved. He is argumentative with them and me and aggressive. I get tense and anxious weeks before the event. When I addressed if before Christmas he said it would be alright and I took this as an admission of him acknowledging his changes behaviour when I’m having fun with my family and he feels threatened. When mum and auntie came over after first baby was born he took me aside and told me he was worried and stressed by their presence. I then sat in our bedroom for the rest of the evening with him and left my relatives downstairs. he caused my mum to change the time of her 70th birthday celebrations because he wanted to get back home at a time of his choosing and lately I was unable to organise a holiday with my family ( I also said I would like to invite his but he said he didn’t want that) because’that would be difficult for him’. We live where we do as it was his idea and I left a really good job to do so. I had kids because he said he wanted to and I feared loosing him at the beginning of our relationship. We only moved in together after I practically begged. And it was a time of his choosing, even though he said he wanted to live together. I have grown increasingly aware of his anger when I didn’t follow his requests eg how to discipline the children and spending money from our joint account; almost in disbelief. I challenged him on one occasion saying I wasn’t like his mum- I feel his dad is narcissistic towards his mum and perhaps he has learnt this behaviour from him.
We haven’t sex in several years and this has never been discussed. I used to ask but stopped after tiring and being embarrassed by rejection.
I thought he as depressed over the past few months but after some research believe this low mood and lack of self esteem is behind his narcissistic nature. I have also seen some impacts on me of my upbringing. My emotional needs weren’t met and was brought up in a religious environment so know that I didn’t have the skills or confidence to realise his ways earlier, and was also susceptible to putting up with his ways by being a people pleaser.

If we didn’t have children I would leave but am terrified about the effect this would have on the kids. I also have no experience of anyone close divorcing and it seems MASSIVE. But I feel like this is a breakthrough in my understanding of him, me and our relationship. And would like to experience a better relationship before it’s too late- I’ve just turned 50. I’ve found it difficult putting my 20 year relationship into words but know you will have some wise words of help and support.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/04/2022 17:38

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here?.

your own upbringing played a large part in you bring with this man, aman who does not meet your emotional needs. I would also think your parents never met your emotional needs either.

People pleasing behaviour often starts off as wanting to parent please a difficult and or emotionally abusive parent.

Staying for the sake of the children is never a good idea either and a choice your children would not say thanks mum to you for making.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/04/2022 17:39

Do not use your children here as the reason and or a reason to stay with him.

Justcallmebebes · 24/04/2022 19:01

Why do you feel the need to label him? Does this somehow validate his vile behaviour?

You should protect your kids from him and get away yourself. He's just a nasty person who abuses and controls his household

Peachteach · 24/04/2022 19:23

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I think the label has helped me sum up his behaviour and communicate it. And validate my feeling that something was wrong. I think I am not the sort to act against bad behaviour but feel I need to take a stand for myself and my kids. Im now not sure how to bring up the issue with him...

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/04/2022 06:05

The only thing you need to communicate to him is that your marriage is over.

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 10:01

Easier said than doneConfused

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billy1966 · 25/04/2022 10:33

You have been controlled and abused for years.

Call Womens aid for a kind ear.

Ending your marriage will be best for your children and you.

Only you can make your life better.

Pinkbonbon · 25/04/2022 10:46

If you don't break the cycle, your kids will grow up thinking abusive households are normal and the partner being abused should just put up and shut up.

Leaving us best for the kids. Children deserve a happy mum, free from control and abuse. And at least this way, they'll have one abuse free house they can return to when their dads behaviour gets too much.

Show them that his abuse was not ok with you. And that we don't tolerate bullies. Lead by example.

Kione · 25/04/2022 11:04

I was in a similar marriage. Much milder and without the anger but with not being able to choose things regarding holidays, house, etc.
I would not call my ex narcissistic, and I can't label his behavior. Just thought he is a bit of a dick (confirmed by people).
I moved out, kids are ok, he has actually stepped up and he is great with them now!
I imagine this would be different as you describe your husband as angry, my ex has the feelings of a stone, so anger was not an issue.

I just want to say I now got my own place and feels amazing. Just had a house warming party on Saturday that would not have happened in my wildest dreams with my ex.

I think you have to start planning the split.

Kione · 25/04/2022 11:05

And I agree with other posters.

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 13:20

Thank you. I'm happy that you have managed to move forward. How did your husband react when you said you were leaving? I'm imagining mine to be angry and in disbelief. I'm scared the kids will side with him. I want to ask him to go to his mum and dad's and get some therapy but I won't be able to make him

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Thereisnolight · 25/04/2022 13:25

Do you work?
Are you financially dependent on him?
What ages are your DC?

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 14:12

Yes I work. And have some inheritance currently in a joint savings account. My boys are 12 and 10.

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Scottishskifun · 25/04/2022 14:18

Move your inheritance savings for a start out of a joint account.
If your worried by his reaction due to anger then ensure you have someone in the house with you. Generally they behave better if they know there are witnesses.
Seek advice from woman's aid.

Thereisnolight · 25/04/2022 14:34

At least you have some control finance-wise. Increases your options and your quality of life if/when you leave.
The DC make it more tricky, even though mumsnet is usually quick to say LTB anyway.
Do you think he is aware of how he comes across? Have you told him what you have realised? Would counselling help?
If nothing improves and he refuses to listen you can decide to leave but you may not want to do it immediately. You can start mentally detaching and planning a separate future. Could you take a job away from home for a while in the future - a low-drama way to give you a chance to be away from your DH and see how your mind works then?
mumsnet will say this is only creating a toxic environment for your DC, or you aren’t getting any younger and if you’re going to leave, the sooner the better. Perhaps. Regarding the DC, if starting to mentally detach makes you feel happier and more optimistic, the environment need not be toxic. And if they become used to you being gradually more independent, it’ll be less of a shock when you leave when theyre older.
I don’t know the answers. I’ve thought all these things myself at times and I’m still here.

Kione · 25/04/2022 14:38

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 13:20

Thank you. I'm happy that you have managed to move forward. How did your husband react when you said you were leaving? I'm imagining mine to be angry and in disbelief. I'm scared the kids will side with him. I want to ask him to go to his mum and dad's and get some therapy but I won't be able to make him

My ex was very sad. VERY sad, and that is the only thing I feel bad about. Hate hurting him.

But for the sake of the kids we have kept very amicable, I was surprised to be honest because in the past he had break ups where he went NC and never gave it another thought. I think for the sake of the kids he has not done this. The kids have kind of sided with him so very often they have to be coached to come to my house (I moved out, it was his house) as they see dad's as their house. Ge doesn't work and I do, which doesn't help my case, but ultimately they are happy and I live very close. Ex is happy for me to visit any time. So I understand this is a very different scenario to other separated couples.
But your kids will be fine and will benefit far more for you to be happy than married and unhappy.

RosieLemonadeAndSugar · 25/04/2022 14:46

Is there somewhere you could go and stay with your boys? Your mums house / another relative?

Transfer the money, get your bags packed and left at your new location and then tell him if you think he will be angry or aggressive.

Would definitely recommend calling women's aid.

You're only 50, you have the rest of your life ahead of you.

billy1966 · 25/04/2022 16:03

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 14:12

Yes I work. And have some inheritance currently in a joint savings account. My boys are 12 and 10.

Get that money out of the joint savings before you say a word.

That is YOUR money.

movingon2022 · 25/04/2022 20:30

Dear OP, I could have easily written this post except my now ex was never aggressive and while our sex life was poor for years I was the one who was not interested. He never yelled or cursed and was not physically abusive but there was a lot of mind manipulation, putting down, controlling, passive aggressiveness etc. That was the problem for me, that I felt abused but could not put a finger to it, so I plodded along for years. We were together 25 years when I decided I could not do it anymore. I offered him couples therapy which he refused but I went ahead and started individual. For me this was it. After only few sessions my mind was clear, she confirmed for me that I was being emotionally and financially abused, she told me that my husband’s behaviour was narcissistic and soon after I knew I did not want to stay married.

He is a very selfish person, no empathy for others, no willingness to help, to sacrifice. He too was rude to my family. With us too everything always had to be his way, when to move in together, when to get married, when to have kids. He made me join accounts and then took over, so for years I could not spend a penny with out asking him first. When I finally started fighting back, he would use stonewalling and deflecting, twisting my words, so that in the end I would be left speechless and confused. His favorite method of disciplining me was silent treatment that sometimes lasted for weeks even months.

When I told him I wanted out his was shocked. He told me he did not realize it was “that bad”. What he did not realize was that saying this confirmed to me that I was doing the right thing. Because if he was loving and caring husband, he would know that I was unhappy.

Peachteach · 25/04/2022 22:12

So sorry to hear about your treatment. I know Mumsnet has a bit of a reputation but some of the comments are very black and white and I'm not sure I feel like that. I came home this evening and, because he was in a good mood, things have been good and we have even had a few laughs. I've made a promise to myself to start to challenge his narcissistic actions. If things don't improve I will demand that he attends therapy. I may also ask the he moves back to his mum's. If still no improvement then I will know I have done everything and separate. Can't believe this is happening.

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Aniko42 · 28/04/2022 18:51

I went through a similar thing. What helped me was a programme on spotify: Phil in the blanks: toxic personalities. It us Dr Phil and he explains it clearly, in an understanding way. He helped me to move on. It was sooo difficult for me after 6 years, I suffered. Probably you are struggling with post traumatic stress disorder as well. I started taking anti-depressants after being with him after the first year. I am getting rid of it slowly. You worth so much better and more. I wish you strength.

Aniko42 · 28/04/2022 18:54

You cannot reason with a narcissist. He is going to blow up.

Aniko42 · 28/04/2022 19:02

Therapy do not work with narcissists. They lack of empathy and during therapy they learn how to mimic it. Do not you feel he is draining your energy? He will drain you until you have nothing left. Check if he is on drugs. My ex was and that triggered his abuse and his happy moments and depressive periods. And blamed me for everything. Get your money out of the joint account. Get out and stay away. No contact. Not having sex for months? Probably he has another supply.

Peachteach · 28/04/2022 20:51

A little judgemental, and potentially very upsetting. Please don't post this sort of thinking again. Thank you

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Minerva76 · 28/04/2022 21:30

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I personally think it is a true comment. Who are you to tell this person what to and what not to post? You are the one judging her, you are the judgmental one. No wonder people established the free speech union in this country.

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