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Ugh. Go on, hit me with a good comeback to this...

74 replies

TheEmptyChair · 19/04/2022 16:00

My boyfriend and I (59 and 48 respectively) occasionally go to a small pub round the corner from his house. It's a great place and he's known the landlady for years so we don't want to stop going.

There is a woman who is always there who is 30. She's gay and, at the weekend was quite obviously flirting with him and told me she is 'smitten' but that I'm safe because she's gay Hmm

I know it sounds pathetic but it's just irritating!

Until this declaration at the weekend, she had been content to just stand in front of him, wherever we are sitting, and twerk (I know - classy) and jiggle her breasts in his direction throughout the evening but this weekend, she was intruding on our night out.

I find her irritating. He finds her irritating. It means that an otherwise very enjoyable night out is tainted by this because neither of us wants to sit having a chat or chatting to others with her acting out in front of us.

It's not really serious enough to escalate by 'addressing' it, I just need a comeback for when she's saying stuff to me about him!

Any suggestions..?

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/04/2022 22:39

Cant your partner just say to her that she's embarrassing herself and to leave him alone?

And if she tries to act as if that's banter or he's joking, can't he say "no I'm serious, leave me alone it's really weird you won't when I've asked you to."

Has he said anything to her so far - anything serious rather than sort of awkwardly laughing it off? She sounds like a right prick.

TabithaTittlemouse · 19/04/2022 22:43

I would probably just passionately kiss each other each time she’s near.

TheEmptyChair · 19/04/2022 22:50

Thanks for all the replies! Some of them really made me laugh Grin

To answer some questions, until she said what she did at the weekend, it wasn't obvious it was directed at him specifically so we've just ignored. But it was a lot more obvious after her saying what she did.

It's only a small pub. There's no dance floor as such but people do get up and dance. She's usually there with a couple of friends and they almost put on a 'floor show' giving each other brief, fake lapdances (I know, classy...)

As for the twerking, she does it all the time. Going to the bar? Stop and twerk. Going to the loo? Stop and twerk. Out for a cigarette? Stop akd twerk. Sitting down for 10 mins? Get up and twerk... you get the picture.

Tbh, most of the people in the pub are in their 50s and 60s. It's not really a 'young person's' place. I'd just kind of assumed that she was doing it because, despite being gay, she's internalised a need for male validation and, being so much younger than everyone else there, has assumed that automatically makes her more desirable than the men's partners. Judging by the responses/reactions of the men in general, that perception exists largely in her head.

I wouldn't want to say she was 'repugnant' or criticise her looks because, being blunt, she isn't attractive and it would just be cruel.

Her behaviour is irritating and clearly attention seeking. She doesn't get a rise out of anyone it's just intrusive on a might out. But after saying what she did at the weekend, she seems to take being gay to mean that her behaviour was acceptable because she wasn't a woman I'd have to worry about and was all over him and hanging around us. It was just irritating.

Tbh, I wish I'd just said, "Yeah, that's not the reason I'm safe..." Grin

I might suggest we sit with our backs to the room next time, but then we'd just be closer and wouldn't have a table between us and her!

My person reaction would be simply "mate no, you're making yourself look like a cunt".

Maybe that's the way to go...

Yeah, it's totally cringe worthy!

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Imissmoominmama · 19/04/2022 22:58

I like @JustKittenAround’s suggestion. It’s not personally insulting- just saying that you have more important things to think about.

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 19/04/2022 23:21

Tell her they will take her L card back if she continues to act like that.

SoItWas · 19/04/2022 23:34

"Jesus, Audrey, put them away/your arse away. You’re flapping about all over the place like a pigeon in heat. You’re going to give yourself an injury.”

^I like this response

Or a variation of "mate, no. Just... no"

Hollyhocksarenotmessy · 23/04/2022 09:55

Watch, clap enthusiastically when she's finished and hand her 10p.

gettingolderandgrumpy · 23/04/2022 11:32

Can you not just take her to one side and say listen love pack it in , in a firm way .
if you don’t want to be critical she may just listen .

5128gap · 23/04/2022 12:27

Your partner needs to sort this out. Its aimed at him not you, and if he doesn't like it, should do something about it. Not only is it not our job to protect men from other women while they stand passively by, but pragmatically, anything you say/do (particularly some of the ridiculous insults suggested on here) is just going to make her think you're jealous. Which actually serves as encouragement to some people as they get a power kick from thinking youre threatened by them. I'm sure a grown man is more than capable of telling a woman to back off.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/04/2022 13:21

5128gap · 23/04/2022 12:27

Your partner needs to sort this out. Its aimed at him not you, and if he doesn't like it, should do something about it. Not only is it not our job to protect men from other women while they stand passively by, but pragmatically, anything you say/do (particularly some of the ridiculous insults suggested on here) is just going to make her think you're jealous. Which actually serves as encouragement to some people as they get a power kick from thinking youre threatened by them. I'm sure a grown man is more than capable of telling a woman to back off.

Absolutely this!

CruCru · 23/04/2022 13:59

Yeah, she sounds weird. A bit like a 13 year old showing off in class.

Realistically, this person really likes attention (positive or negative). Her twerking is her business - commenting on it will encourage her.

Might be worth mentioning it to the landlady. But, if it doesn’t stop, start going somewhere else.

LoveSpringDaffs · 23/04/2022 14:10

Your partner needs to tell her, not you. Anything you say will just come over as you feeling threatened by her, worrying about 'your man' running off.

tell him to tell her to pack it in. He's not interested, never will be no matter if she's gay, no, straight.

LoveSpringDaffs · 23/04/2022 14:11

Bloody phone it changes stuff all the guns, it's doing my head in!!

Gay, Bi or Straight

ThistlesAndUnicorns · 23/04/2022 14:46

iklboo · 19/04/2022 16:40

Or 'why are you sexually harassing my husband?'

Yes, this.

If a man was continually behaving like this towards a woman the police would either be involved or at the very least they'd be barred.

She sounds awful and I would say to the landlady how uncomfortable she is making her customers to the extent she's going to lose some.

5128gap · 23/04/2022 16:06

ThistlesAndUnicorns · 23/04/2022 14:46

Yes, this.

If a man was continually behaving like this towards a woman the police would either be involved or at the very least they'd be barred.

She sounds awful and I would say to the landlady how uncomfortable she is making her customers to the extent she's going to lose some.

No, they really wouldn't. Men do this sort of thing, and worse, to women in pubs and bars the length and bredth of the country, every single night. It barely raises an eyebrow. I'm not condoning this woman's behaviour, but to suggest there's some sort of special dispensation for a woman doing something that men wouldn't be allowed to is laughable given the extent of tolerated nuisance behaviour from men.

PeaceLurking9to5 · 23/04/2022 16:11

Gay shmay, are you in heat

Crankley · 23/04/2022 17:50

I think your BF should look at her, yawn and transfer all his attention to you. Then both ignore.

ilaandm · 23/04/2022 18:44

Well I'm not convinced she's gay. Why go to all that bother to flirt with some random guy like that if you're gay? The declarations about being gay are attention-seeking.
I'd have a chat with the landlady to be honest. Or get your husband to. It's ridiculous. The landlady will end up losing customers if this continues. If you and your husband were to go elsewhere she'd end up doing the same to the next guy she liked the look of (despite being gay... funny that, why isn't she doing this to women if she's gay??).

5128gap · 23/04/2022 19:00

ilaandm · 23/04/2022 18:44

Well I'm not convinced she's gay. Why go to all that bother to flirt with some random guy like that if you're gay? The declarations about being gay are attention-seeking.
I'd have a chat with the landlady to be honest. Or get your husband to. It's ridiculous. The landlady will end up losing customers if this continues. If you and your husband were to go elsewhere she'd end up doing the same to the next guy she liked the look of (despite being gay... funny that, why isn't she doing this to women if she's gay??).

My money is on her taking the piss. A pub full of middle aged people where the men find the sight of a 30 woman twerking irritating when they're having a civilised conversation, and the women describe her as not 'classy'? I'm sure she knows full well shes going to be ruffling feathers in that crowd, and is having a right laugh at all at all the women tut tutting, and the men sitting there like wet lettuces, seemingly unable to tell her to stop by themselves

TheEmptyChair · 23/04/2022 19:08

She's definitely gay - she's married.

I think it's because she's still internalised the idea that she needs men's approval that she's attractive.

Without sounding like a bitch, she isn't attractive. And she's certainly not as attractive as any of the 'older' women who go in there but she seems to have got the idea that, because she is younger, that's the only thing that counts. It's not just my boyfriend she does it to but having declared that she's 'smitten' she seems to have taken that as a free pass to behave how she likes around him. I don't feel threatened by it - just irritated at the imposition. I saw one guy a couple of weeks ago holding up his left hand, pointing to his ring finger and mouthing "I'm married!" to her.

I don't feel threatened by it - his attention is always on me. It's just irritating...🙄

Anyway, we've decided to give the place a miss for a couple of weeks.

OP posts:
MayBeee · 23/04/2022 19:12

Start kissing each other or look very deeply into each other's eyes.

TheEmptyChair · 23/04/2022 19:14

MayBeee · 23/04/2022 19:12

Start kissing each other or look very deeply into each other's eyes.

We do that anyway... 🤮😉

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SunnyShiner · 23/04/2022 19:26

I would totally blank her. As if she's invisible. If she talks to you ignore her.

ilaandm · 23/04/2022 19:49

She's definitely gay - she's married

Where's her wife in all this then?
Does she go to the pub too or does she have to sit a home twiddling her thumbs while her wife twerks all over the place?

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