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Told Hubby I want to end it but he won't let go.. advice needed

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Saz22 · 30/03/2022 21:06

Hi all, I've lingered here for some time and finally plucked up courage to post. Apologies for the long post but here goes:

Been married for 14 years, together 16. DD of 7.5 years when things changed massively in our relationship. He became very selfish and at first quite resentful towards our DC.. couldn't stand her crying, triggered if she would get hurt and cry, hardly liked to play with her, has never really taken her anywhere until this last year and has been a handful of ocassions, generally not wanting to be involved unless it suited. Don't get me wrong, she is the apple of his eye, he loves and adores her and would do anything for her. I suggested counselling for him on several ocassions as I'm sure his own childhood stuff was coming up, abandonment issues etc. He can be quite intimidating, never used violence here, but has a strong intimidating presence that everyone can pick up on when he's not in a good mood. He used to often take his frustrations out on me, blaming for things he couldn't work out like not being able to get the mic on his computer to work for interviews and other things. Awful towards the cat if he meowed, no tolerance. When he's in a good mood he's very pleasant, bit of a Jeckyl and Hyde character. We grew apart fast and I tried to help him build a better relationship with DD for both their sakes. It's gotten better but still falls short in so many ways. Wasn't bothered about doing anything as a couple, wasn't interested in couples therapy etc etc. Generally doesn't do a lot when at home, constantly eats junk food and rarely eats home cooked meals. Doesn't have anything to do with my family as he finds them difficult to tolerate. He's very focussed on his online presence, but has also been in and out of jobs as he can't stand to be a 'slave to the system', (I get that but..) Has so much potential to go further, do better but doesn't. I've thought about ending it for years but got serious about it in the last 12 months and especially the last 3 or 4. He has no friends and doesn't see much of his family.

So, this weekend just gone I finally had the chat that I'd put off for so long as I couldn't let another day go by. He was distraught, cried for 2 days straight. Doesn't want to let go, thinks we can work it out. I can't bear the thought though of being with him anymore and crave for me and DD to have a place of our own. I've had counselling for me which has helped me get clear and will have some for our DD too.

We chatted again last night, it got a bit more serious as he thinks I'm being unreasonable, that I'm going to destroy his life and our DD's, that I'll be effing her up, just like he was when he was a kid when his parents separated. He's said it's all going to change starting now, he's seen the error of his ways and he should be given a second chance (despite having had plenty of opportunities). He said his wife and child should be at home and that it can't happen, just no.

The devastation this will cause has been put squarely on my shoulders which has troubled me, but still feel I should do it.

Finding this part so hard and not sure how to pluck the courage for the next step. I really now just want to move out with dd (although scared of upsetting/damaging her) and also a bit scared to go against him if I'm honest.

He now wants to start getting involved with all the activities we do out side the home (we home educate) and I'm just not comfortable with that but he says that isn't fair.

Am i being unreasonable?? Any and all advice, greatly appreciated.

Thanks if you made it all the way to the end!

OP posts:
DatingDinosaur · 30/03/2022 21:56

No, you're not being unreasonable. If you don't think there's anything left to salvage from this relationship then stick to your guns. He had his chance but took you for granted, and blew it.

If, on the other hand, you do think there's something left to salvage and that fundamentally he's a good guy that's just been shocked into growing up a bit and you think this has been the kick up the arse he needed to realise things really were that bad and that things do actually have to change, why not go for a trial separation instead.

TheCatterall · 30/03/2022 22:58

If their is no relationship to salvedge and his behaviour over the years has chipped away at your feelings towards him then that’s that.

No amount of trying will bring back to life something that’s died. It’s too little too late and whilst it’s a pity it’s also not the end of the world.

It’s a fresh start for you and your daughter. She can still have a relationship with her dad and see the good bits of him without any of the atmosphere etc you’ve described.

He can’t stop you from separating.

He can contribute emotionally in a positive manner to making it an easier experience for all involved so it doesn’t impact your child as much which will help with a positive Co-parenting relationship.

Maybe this is the kick up the arse he needed to get the rest of his life in order.

Stick to your guns. He’d only slip back into old habits if you stayed.

Saz22 · 31/03/2022 00:56

There's nothing to be salvaged for me, now that the cat is out of the bag I cannot stand to be around him. And worse, because he's suddenly become this super involved father in the last two days I feel this major shift will actually make things a bit worse when we go for my daughter who's suddenly getting all of this attention and interest from him. Possibly adding to the confusion. I feel like he wants to push into something that we've built up over the years while he's been opting out. Is it too soon to be looking for a place and how do I even break this news to dd? She struggles massively with change/letting go and is not going to want it to happen. I feel sick at the thought but cannot stay like this.

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Grimsknee · 31/03/2022 04:41

OP, why do you feel the need to say he would do anything for your DD when everything you say about him suggests the opposite? One of these things is not like the other:

  1. "Don't get me wrong, she is the apple of his eye, he loves and adores her and would do anything for her."
  1. "....resentful towards our DC.. couldn't stand her crying....hardly liked to play with her, has never really taken her anywhere until this last year.... generally not wanting to be involved unless it suited ....tried to help him build a better relationship with DD for both their sakes. It's gotten better but still falls short in so many ways.........been in and out of jobs as he can't stand to be a 'slave to the system"

You actually sound scared of this man and unsure how he might react - maybe you need support from a DV helpline to leave.

Weatherwax13 · 31/03/2022 04:49

DD is certainly not the apple of his eye, is she? He's a dreadful father.
Yes, a big change will be a challenge for her initially but you very clearly know that your husband is a nasty prickling.
In the long run you'll be doing the absolute best thing for your DD if you muster your courage and split up. Find your anger. You and she have been treated appallingly for years.

Weatherwax13 · 31/03/2022 04:51

*prick. He's gone way past prickling! And do get some RL support as you sound scared of him. And you're probably right to be

2DogsOnMySofa · 31/03/2022 07:34

Kick off the divorce, nothing centres the mind more than getting the paperwork.

I suspect that when he finally realised you're serious he'll go back to his selfish ways tenfold. If he's very concerned about his online persona, then by you leaving him has ruined that. It's likely he likes the wife, married with kids image but doesn't actually want to put the work in, but you've just pulled the plug. He's more upset about how he portrays himself than respecting and acting the part at home.

layladomino · 31/03/2022 08:27

This man is not, and never has been a good dad. Not by any definition. Not in terms of doing things with his daughter, providing for his daughter, caring for his daughter, providing a calm and happy home environment for his daughter.

You are doing the only reasonable thing by divorcing him. And that won't be on you. It is HIM that's broken your family. HIM that's made this necessary. He has had YEARS to put this right, but only takes any action when you tell him you're leaving. In other words, he was happy for you to be unhappy for years, but as soon as it might inconvenience him he thinks it's worth some effort.

Don't listen to him guilt-tripping you about DD. He hasn't shown any signs of caring the past 7.5 years, so he certainly isn't thinking of her when he tries to get you to stay. He has shown in many ways that he only cares about himself. And that's what he's doing now, trying to limit the damage for himself.

He has 100% created this situation. You and your DD both deserve better than him. Keep moving with your plans. You and DD will both be happier.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 31/03/2022 08:37

This stage, the leaving stage, is going to be tough and may be ugly. But it is going to be so very worth it, so stick to your guns. Think of it like childbirth vs being a parent. Only a small part of a great package.

He can still be a great dad (this suddenly new improved dad) if you are divorced. In fact, if he is that will make things so much easier for DD. But he had his chance to be a good husband and he royally blew that and you are going.

Can you move out with DD?

MaChienEstUnDick · 31/03/2022 08:46

OK you need to hear me: you need to move fast on the divorce. Go straight there, do not pass go. Once he understands that you won't change your mind through manipulation this is going to get very nasty indeed. Get the paperwork together and get to a solicitor this week. Talk about what you can expect, get the ball rolling. Photocopy everything and put it in a safe place (not at home) as I've no doubt he'll start hiding assets etc. Stay safe and get RL support - he'll gaslight you for a few weeks, then he'll turn on you.

I know we have a reputation for being a nest of vipers on here, it's because we've seen it all before and we know the script.

billy1966 · 31/03/2022 09:11

@MaChienEstUnDick

OK you need to hear me: you need to move fast on the divorce. Go straight there, do not pass go. Once he understands that you won't change your mind through manipulation this is going to get very nasty indeed. Get the paperwork together and get to a solicitor this week. Talk about what you can expect, get the ball rolling. Photocopy everything and put it in a safe place (not at home) as I've no doubt he'll start hiding assets etc. Stay safe and get RL support - he'll gaslight you for a few weeks, then he'll turn on you.

I know we have a reputation for being a nest of vipers on here, it's because we've seen it all before and we know the script.

This is good advice.

This is not a good man.

I think you a need to call 101 for advice.

You want to leave but are scared.
Put a marker on your address.

Please ring Women's aid for a supportive chat.

Start looking at a small property.

Tell family and friends the truth.

This is an abusive, controlling man.

He doesn't want to lose his free ride.

This is not a good environment for your daughter.

Get organised and get out.

Keep posting if you like.Flowers

Saz22 · 31/03/2022 22:56

Yes i know it sounds contradictory, I think he would do anything if it really came down to it and as time went on his attitude towards her did improve.

I think you're right, I think I am a bit scared of him to be honest and unsure how he will react. He's never been physcially violent towards me although he has gotten very verbally aggressive a few times in the past to the point I did think he might actually go for me. I just feel I should be able to handle this without involving anyone else. I guess I'm also a bit scared of what he thinks... I know this sounds ridiculous and not even sure how I got to being like this. I've spent the last several years on eggshells trying not to upset him!

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Saz22 · 31/03/2022 23:18

@LadyGardenersQuestionTime

This stage, the leaving stage, is going to be tough and may be ugly. But it is going to be so very worth it, so stick to your guns. Think of it like childbirth vs being a parent. Only a small part of a great package.

He can still be a great dad (this suddenly new improved dad) if you are divorced. In fact, if he is that will make things so much easier for DD. But he had his chance to be a good husband and he royally blew that and you are going.

Can you move out with DD?

That's what i'm thinking of doing, looking for somewhere i can rent asap. Just can't imagine having to do this with dd but i know in my heart of hearts I have to. He's said all the right things in the last day or so but it doesn't change me, my mind's made up. He's just started a new job from home on Monday as is off once again since Wednesday I guess on compassionate leave. So no headspace what so ever, totally clinging to us now.
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Saz22 · 31/03/2022 23:35

Thanks everyone. He's text me quite a bit in last couple of days (even though in same house), desperate for me to go to Relate with him (he thinks it will change my mind). I don't know whether that would help him to accept more easily that it's over if it comes from someone else or whether I should leave that for him to go by himself. I don't need to go for me as i've been having counselling already.

Trouble now is, he's being this amazing Dad, spending hours playing with dd, taking interest in what she says, what she's doing, wanting to come to things we do normally and have built up with other friends, and now taking her to bed completely messing up our bedtime routine. I don't know how much to allow as obviously he needs a chance to put things right with her (his words), but i'm feeling a bit put out and it's not sitting right. DD is lapping it all up as she's not used to this amount of attention from him and i feel so sorry for her.

His other texts were about how he felt when he first saw me, how beautiful the wedding was and the amazing child we went on to have, how people can fall in and out and in love again and come back from affairs etc etc.. Has done nothing for me whatsoever.

The chat two nights ago about me not changing my mind left me really unsettled as he seemed to go a bit nasty and put his foot down down. I guess as he's Jeckyl and Hyde, I'm uncertain which one I'm going to get.. trying to wait for a window of opportunity where he's more amicable but I know that is futile and I haven't do this anyway regardless.

As I'm a complete noob at all this stuff, what is RL support?

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movingon2022 · 01/04/2022 02:08

RL= real life Smile

MadMadMadamMim · 01/04/2022 02:18

2 days, OP. He's managed 2 days of effort after 16 years of being a wanker and he is demanding you give him a second chance?

He had 14 fucking years after his 'beautiful wedding' to make an effort with his wife and his amazing child - and frankly he sounds like a dreadful father and worse husband.

You are not going to destroy his life and your child's. You are saving her from the misery of growing up with a cold, bullying unpleasant man who has little interest in her.

DailySheetWasher · 01/04/2022 02:31

You've received some great advice here OP and I can tell you're sensible and strong, you should be confident in your decision as it's the right one.

The great thing about being separated is that you no longer need to prioritise his wants and his happiness over your own. Ever.

Grimsknee · 01/04/2022 05:08

"The chat two nights ago about me not changing my mind left me really unsettled as he seemed to go a bit nasty and put his foot down down. I guess as he's Jeckyl and Hyde, I'm uncertain which one I'm going to get."
He is trying different tactics. First, nice words, change talk and some action, vulnerability. When those don't work - unpleasant behaviour designed to show you "if you leave, i will turn really turn nasty".Basically a threat. That's the jekyl and hyde.

Watch The Tinder Swindler - you can hear the same tactics in the psychopath's recorded messages towards the end.

billy1966 · 01/04/2022 07:48

Please OP, it is all an act.

He is an awful man acting.

Do not bother your arse with Relate.

Call the Police on 101 and tell the truth.
You are trying to exit and abusive relationship for years and what help can they give.

You don't have to do this alone.

The most important thing is to do it safely.

Renting and moving out asap.

Your daughter will just have to accept you know best.

This act is and act.
Nothing more.

Do not waste energy trying to understand and act.
A complete waste of energy.

Focus on a rental.
Focus on talking to Women's aid for support.

Flowers
PriestessofPing · 01/04/2022 08:00

Two days of him putting on a front does not excuse the fact that he has not bothered to do these things before. This should make you more resolute - he’s clearly been capable the entire time of spending time with his own daughter and listening to what you say - yet chose not to. He’s doing this now to unsettle you and your daughter. If he truly cared about her the way you say - with her being the ‘apple of his eye’ then why would he barely pay attention to her for years and then use her as a bargaining chip, confusing her by suddenly playing dad of the year?

This is all about him wanting to make you stay. The minute you agree he will slide right back into his old ways. Stand firm.

MintyGreenDream · 01/04/2022 08:02

A good friend of mine now has a small rented house of her own and a job after leaving her "unleavable" dickhead exH.It can be done although it's not easy.Stay strong.

Mix56 · 01/04/2022 08:29

This is the typical script.
He will promise, offer holidays, be full of remorse & start being the person he should have been for 7 years, (showing he could have done it if He chose, which is a double slap in the face)
Once he has got you to back down he will revert to type.
Refuse his accompanying you, you simply say, I have made a bunch if friends, I have had to construct this alone, its my space.

billy1966 · 01/04/2022 08:33

Definitely do not allow him to push into your life.

That is more bullying and abusive.

He doesn't get to decide to join you in things that you don't want him there at.

All that is, is bullying and intimidation.

Having support will make all the difference, it always does.

MaChienEstUnDick · 01/04/2022 08:59

It's all an act. And it shows that actually, he could have behaved better before, he just couldn't be arsed. What a prince.

It's precisely because this has the potential to confuse DD that I think you need to move more quickly.

Sack Relate off. Marriage counselling is only ever any use if both people want to save the marriage, you don't. It's dead in the water - he killed it. Let it go.

oviraptor21 · 01/04/2022 09:04

He will not be able to keep up the act with your DD, leaving her confused and hurt.
Please, for her sake, start the ball rolling on separation and divorce.