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Toxic school mum friend storytime

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Scooby5kids · 04/03/2022 22:01

A few months ago, one of the school mums from my child's class started trying to befriend me. I was a bit wary of this person because I knew she was well known as being a massive drama llama, but I didn’t mind just talking to her occasionally and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. At first it was nice, it was just making chit chat, we even went out for coffee a few times, she added me on Facebook and other social media platforms and spoke a bit on messenger.

It was ok for a few weeks but she very quickly became quite annoying. I know that sounds harsh, but you know when people just complain and moan about everything, all the time, and it starts to make you feel down and you start to feel dread about seeing them? For example she was aways bitching about our children’s class teacher, the sendco and the head mistress, or just whatever else about the school that she didn’t agree with or didn’t like. Now I know we all have issues every now and again, but I have a large family and have had 3 kids go to the school and I can honestly say I’ve never have had any major problems in the whole 12 years! She has also had numerous fallouts with other parents at the school, some having to involve the head and she’s always the victim in every incident. She made sure to fill me in on all the information from her side of the events and it was always someone else’s fault.

On the few times we met up, the conversations were very one sided and very emotionally and mentally draining, it was all about her, her health problems, her bad relationships with her family, her ex’s and friends. I felt like she was using me as a free counselling service. I felt completely drained and actually got a migraine after one of the times I met up with her because it was so draining.

A few weeks ago I made the decision that I would distance myself a bit. I wasn’t going to be rude or completely cut her off, I honestly didn’t want any ill feeling, but I just wanted to limit the time I spent talking with her. My mental health isn’t great at the moment, I’m going through some stuff, which I won’t go into but I just wanted to protect my mental health.

So for the past few weeks I made sure I dropped my child off just as the doors opened and I’d rush off immediately after to avoid her and I’d also try to stand in a different spot from where she usually stands, so I don’t have to make as much conversation with her. Anyway, this didn’t work, because she seemed to make a B line for me everyday and it felt like she was tracking me down. I’ve spent weeks dreading the school run every morning because she makes me feel so anxious. I could actually see her at the other side of the playground looking for me, hunting me down, her eyes lock onto me and she starts walking over.

Fast forward to last week and she sent me a message on Facebook asking if I wanted to go for a coffee and I stupidly agreed (Why? Why do I do it to myself?) but I didn’t give her an exact day or time, I just said “yeah sure that will be nice, I’m a bit busy but maybe next week on…whenever day” I’m so bad at saying no to people, I just can’t do it. I’m the worlds biggest people pleaser! I hoped she’d just forget but the other day she clocked onto me at school and asked if we could go for a drink, I said I was busy and I couldn’t that morning, but maybe another day and I quickly walked off. She later messaged me to directly ask if I was purposely avoiding her. I thought “oh crap, she knows!”. So I just thought I’d be honest with her and told her that I try to avoid everyone (which I do) because I’m an anxious person and I don’t like making small talk on the playground (which is also true) and that it wasn’t personal to her (maybe it was a little) but I didn’t say anything mean to her, if anything I just tried to assert some healthy boundaries in the hope she’d get the hint and back off a bit. She then went on to have a massive rant and said I was very rude and deleted me off Facebook. I’m so relieved to be honest. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted. I am feeling quite anxious that she might try approach me at school and have a go at me, which she’s done with other people. Has anyone else had bad experience with mums at school on the school run? My problem is that I feel like I struggle to be assertive with people and tell them I don’t want a friendship with them.

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Jk24 · 05/03/2022 00:37

If she causes a scene just walk away and let her embarrass herself

mathanxiety · 05/03/2022 01:19

What's the worst thing that could happen if she collars you in the playground?

Who will end up looking worse?

How many sympathetic people will see whatever goes on?

mathanxiety · 05/03/2022 01:21

You need to put on your best bib and tucker, do your face, practice your best posture, and hit that playground like a boss.

BookkeeperBobby · 05/03/2022 01:31

If she does have a go she will end up looking foolish.

Just keep walking.

needingpeace · 05/03/2022 09:11

Just ignore her.

Crimeismymiddlename · 05/03/2022 11:05

You are probably the last in a long line of people at the school who don’t want to be friends with her.
The staff know what she is like, and if she makes a drama just walk away-she will just make a show of herself.

bellac11 · 05/03/2022 11:26

Ive learnt over the years that when someone like this (if she did, she might not) causes a scene in front of other people, I can guarantee it is not going to be you that people are thinking bad things about!!!

If she starts on you, you can walk away and say to her that you're going to speak to a member of staff as her behaviour isnt appropriate

Ijsbear · 05/03/2022 11:31

She might cause a scene and everyone around will either have been through it with her themselves, or know they're next in line. You just have to endure it til it's over, if it happens at all.

RonCarlos · 05/03/2022 11:38

Thank god she deleted you OP. What a relief! Such ridiculous self centered behaviour!

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 12:53

@RonCarlos

Thank god she deleted you OP. What a relief! Such ridiculous self centered behaviour!
I know, such a relief! 😅
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Natty13 · 05/03/2022 14:05

Just be grateful you got what you wanted and are rid of her and the pressure she made you feel.

Jist to say regarding this though "I’m so bad at saying no to people, I just can’t do it. I’m the worlds biggest people pleaser"

You aren't a "people" pleaser. The only person you please by refusing to give straight answers is yourself. Because it makes you feel so uncomfortable to say no. It's much, much kinder in 99.9% of situations to be honest and clear with people. It's not nice to fe fobbed off and left wondering what someone really means and isn't saying or why someone says they want to meet up then keep giving you the run around. That's not people pleasing in the slightest. It's selfish because YOU want to avoid feeling bad so you make the other person feel worse.

BluebellsGreenbells · 05/03/2022 14:11

I agree with PP, she feels you’ve made a fool of her and is now cross.

You put off this for weeks rather than be honest and say no thanks.

And to be fair this situation was causing you anxiety which you’ve fueled by not being direct.

Sparkling321 · 05/03/2022 14:14

Does your school operate a breakfast club and after school clubs? If so book your child in for a week that should help you to avoid her and after a week she will have moved onto the next…!

Bonbon21 · 05/03/2022 14:18

This is what happens when you do not have strong clear boundaries.
Work on them.

FuckThatBullshit · 05/03/2022 14:26

There seems to be more playground drama between parents than their children these days 🤣 lucky escape OP hopefully she'll just ignore you from now onwards!

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 14:30

On Friday she also got booted of the class Facebook group because she started having a go at one of the dads and started complaining about their child's behaviour, used their name so everyone knew who she was talking about. The child has special needs. I don't regret my decision. She's not a nice person. But I agree with the comment about working on my boundaries.

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Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 15:02

@Bonbon21

This is what happens when you do not have strong clear boundaries. Work on them.
It's difficult because the majority of people don't need clear boundaries to be addressed. The majority of people know that if someone makes apologises a couple of times to their invitations, then they should back off a bit and wait until the other person initiates an invite. Most people aren't intense, and you can just see them every day, exchange a bit of small talk and they don't hassle you! Obviously I know you have to make allowances for some people who may be neurodiverse and might not understand the unwritten rules on boundaries and picking up social cues, but then there are the odd few people like this woman who just like to push. She even had the audacity to ask me why I was Facebook friends with someone, scornfully, like she somehow was entitled to tell me who i should talk to and I had to tell her "well they haven't done anything to me to upset me so I don't have a problem with them" I make it very clear to her that I make my own mind up about people. It was all just very weird.
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bellac11 · 05/03/2022 15:03

It would be interesting to hear what other posters would have said to her instead then to implement those boundaries, its a minefield

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 15:11

@bellac11

It would be interesting to hear what other posters would have said to her instead then to implement those boundaries, its a minefield
Exactly! it's not easy dealing with people like this because there is a thin line between sternly saying "no" and then having to be aggressive with what you're saying to make them listen and I don't like to be the first person to have to be rude. You shouldn't have to get mad with someone before they back off. I should have been honest earlier on, yes, but sometimes it takes a while before you realise you don't like a person and then you have to wait for an appropriate time to say it
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Flickasmum · 05/03/2022 15:28

There's a great book which I've found helpful @Scooby5kids.
It's called Boundaries: when to say yes, how to say no to take control of your life. If you're a reader it's well worth a look (I got it from amazon)
I can completely see how you got to this point with that woman Flowers

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 15:31

@BluebellsGreenbells

I agree with PP, she feels you’ve made a fool of her and is now cross.

You put off this for weeks rather than be honest and say no thanks.

And to be fair this situation was causing you anxiety which you’ve fueled by not being direct.

I only wanted to distance myself though, so that we were on good terms so it wasn't awkward. The end of the day i still have to see this person daily. What was I supposed to say "Can you not talk to me please?" whatever I would have said she would have been offended, because she is that kind of person, so I was trying to avoid confrontation. My plan was just I'll limit my time talking to her while being friendly and she will hopefully pick up vibes that I don't want to progress any further than casual acquaintance. I never had a best friend relationship with her, it was literally just 2-3 times we went for a coffee after the school run, I didn't feel like we'd established a close enough bond where I owed her a heartfelt BFF break up or anything lol
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user842 · 05/03/2022 15:35

She sounds like a bit of a nightmare, but you didn’t handle it well.

It’s very easy to say no when someone asks you for coffee, just tell them you are too busy.

You can’t blame her for being upset when you act like you’re her friend by meeting up with her outside the playground and then randomly start avoiding her. Mixed messages.

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 15:36

@Flickasmum

There's a great book which I've found helpful *@Scooby5kids*. It's called Boundaries: when to say yes, how to say no to take control of your life. If you're a reader it's well worth a look (I got it from amazon) I can completely see how you got to this point with that woman Flowers
Thanks I'll have a look. My people skills are quite crap to be honest. I've been a stay at home mum for years so I don't get the opportunity to practice setting boundaries much with people because I usually don't need to. I usually just keep myself to myself. If you don't get to practice the skill then you don't develop them xx
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Flickasmum · 05/03/2022 15:39

I hope you find it as helpful as I did. It's a well known book and quite frequently recommended here and elsewhere. I think boundaries are something we all need to learn about.

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 15:40

@user842

She sounds like a bit of a nightmare, but you didn’t handle it well.

It’s very easy to say no when someone asks you for coffee, just tell them you are too busy.

You can’t blame her for being upset when you act like you’re her friend by meeting up with her outside the playground and then randomly start avoiding her. Mixed messages.

This is what I was doing. I just made excuses every time. But i think some people think I should have said no and explained that I didn't want to. I didn't want to hurt her feelings though and I was trying to just stay on good terms. The moment you say "sorry I don't want to go for coffee with you, I don't feel like we'd make good friends" that's never going to go down well x
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