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Toxic school mum friend storytime

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Scooby5kids · 04/03/2022 22:01

A few months ago, one of the school mums from my child's class started trying to befriend me. I was a bit wary of this person because I knew she was well known as being a massive drama llama, but I didn’t mind just talking to her occasionally and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. At first it was nice, it was just making chit chat, we even went out for coffee a few times, she added me on Facebook and other social media platforms and spoke a bit on messenger.

It was ok for a few weeks but she very quickly became quite annoying. I know that sounds harsh, but you know when people just complain and moan about everything, all the time, and it starts to make you feel down and you start to feel dread about seeing them? For example she was aways bitching about our children’s class teacher, the sendco and the head mistress, or just whatever else about the school that she didn’t agree with or didn’t like. Now I know we all have issues every now and again, but I have a large family and have had 3 kids go to the school and I can honestly say I’ve never have had any major problems in the whole 12 years! She has also had numerous fallouts with other parents at the school, some having to involve the head and she’s always the victim in every incident. She made sure to fill me in on all the information from her side of the events and it was always someone else’s fault.

On the few times we met up, the conversations were very one sided and very emotionally and mentally draining, it was all about her, her health problems, her bad relationships with her family, her ex’s and friends. I felt like she was using me as a free counselling service. I felt completely drained and actually got a migraine after one of the times I met up with her because it was so draining.

A few weeks ago I made the decision that I would distance myself a bit. I wasn’t going to be rude or completely cut her off, I honestly didn’t want any ill feeling, but I just wanted to limit the time I spent talking with her. My mental health isn’t great at the moment, I’m going through some stuff, which I won’t go into but I just wanted to protect my mental health.

So for the past few weeks I made sure I dropped my child off just as the doors opened and I’d rush off immediately after to avoid her and I’d also try to stand in a different spot from where she usually stands, so I don’t have to make as much conversation with her. Anyway, this didn’t work, because she seemed to make a B line for me everyday and it felt like she was tracking me down. I’ve spent weeks dreading the school run every morning because she makes me feel so anxious. I could actually see her at the other side of the playground looking for me, hunting me down, her eyes lock onto me and she starts walking over.

Fast forward to last week and she sent me a message on Facebook asking if I wanted to go for a coffee and I stupidly agreed (Why? Why do I do it to myself?) but I didn’t give her an exact day or time, I just said “yeah sure that will be nice, I’m a bit busy but maybe next week on…whenever day” I’m so bad at saying no to people, I just can’t do it. I’m the worlds biggest people pleaser! I hoped she’d just forget but the other day she clocked onto me at school and asked if we could go for a drink, I said I was busy and I couldn’t that morning, but maybe another day and I quickly walked off. She later messaged me to directly ask if I was purposely avoiding her. I thought “oh crap, she knows!”. So I just thought I’d be honest with her and told her that I try to avoid everyone (which I do) because I’m an anxious person and I don’t like making small talk on the playground (which is also true) and that it wasn’t personal to her (maybe it was a little) but I didn’t say anything mean to her, if anything I just tried to assert some healthy boundaries in the hope she’d get the hint and back off a bit. She then went on to have a massive rant and said I was very rude and deleted me off Facebook. I’m so relieved to be honest. I feel like a huge weight has been lifted. I am feeling quite anxious that she might try approach me at school and have a go at me, which she’s done with other people. Has anyone else had bad experience with mums at school on the school run? My problem is that I feel like I struggle to be assertive with people and tell them I don’t want a friendship with them.

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bellac11 · 05/03/2022 15:43

@user842

She sounds like a bit of a nightmare, but you didn’t handle it well.

It’s very easy to say no when someone asks you for coffee, just tell them you are too busy.

You can’t blame her for being upset when you act like you’re her friend by meeting up with her outside the playground and then randomly start avoiding her. Mixed messages.

Is that accurate though? Surely you meet up with someone a few times and then discover that you dont have much in common or dont even like them so you dont want to again. The problem comes with someone who doesnt take no for an answer.

I had this with a friend, who was a friend but would insist on accompanying me everywhere during my lunch hour, we worked together and no matter what I said about wanting some time on my own she would cheerily say 'no worries, I'll just come out for a bit with you' or she would make jibes about me being miserable or whatever. it was impossible

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 16:00

Just to clear it up. I met up with her in the beginning, but the last few week when I was cooking her off I made excuses. I wasn't meeting up with her and giving her mixed messages (although it probably was my bad when I eventually agreed but was vague about the days) I didn't plan on cementing any actual dates and times with her. Obviously I wouldn't have stood her up or cancelled last minute.

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Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 16:01

@bellac11 how did it end with the person? Did you eventually tell her?

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QuatrePattes · 05/03/2022 16:03

I know a woman just like this. Always grabbing me on the school run to download her latest family dramas, always tense and intense. Hyper competitive and always talking negatively about other parents and their children. You know the type who talks drops some subtle nasty comments about anyone she wasn't to discredit. Such a shame as we have many interests in common and we could have been close friends. The unpleasant gossiping about neighbours and school mums and her incessant moaning about her husband and kids is like a shower of negativity twice a day when queuing to get the kids. As if this wasn't horrible enough she goes after any mum I try to befriend and after any child my dc is making friends with. It's like there is no escaping this competitive moaning Myrtle. I am trying to back out slowly as I don't want to fall out with her. A few more school gate years left.

QuatrePattes · 05/03/2022 16:04

*You know the type who drops subtle nasty comments about anyone she wants to discredit.

bellac11 · 05/03/2022 16:05

[quote Scooby5kids]@bellac11 how did it end with the person? Did you eventually tell her? [/quote]
The lunch time thing ended when I got a different job!!!!

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 16:07

@QuatrePattes

*You know the type who drops subtle nasty comments about anyone she wants to discredit.
Yes! Are they the same woman? 🤣🤣🤣
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Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 16:52

@Scooby5kids

Just to clear it up. I met up with her in the beginning, but the last few week when I was cooking her off I made excuses. I wasn't meeting up with her and giving her mixed messages (although it probably was my bad when I eventually agreed but was vague about the days) I didn't plan on cementing any actual dates and times with her. Obviously I wouldn't have stood her up or cancelled last minute.
Cooling not cooking 🤣🤣🤣 sorry for confusion
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whitewashing · 05/03/2022 17:20

Personally if I’d known she was a ‘drama llama’ I would’ve avoided her like the plague, I definitely wouldn’t have gone for coffee with her, accepted a FB request etc. I would’ve been very busy every time she invited me for coffee, she’d soon have got the message.

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 17:35

@whitewashing

Personally if I’d known she was a ‘drama llama’ I would’ve avoided her like the plague, I definitely wouldn’t have gone for coffee with her, accepted a FB request etc. I would’ve been very busy every time she invited me for coffee, she’d soon have got the message.
Aye you live and learn don't ya?! I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, that if they don't piss me off then I'll be nice to them
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itsjustnotok · 05/03/2022 17:37

We had a mum like that. Honestly some of the things she said and did were really not ok. Initially many of us tried to be friendly but she would literally wait for you at the gate. She even followed me to the shops 25 mins walk away. Unfortunately for her the parents started to avoid her. Her daughter would lie a lot as well and she constantly denied it and would get upset that other parents didn’t want their kids around. I took as much as I could and the few a pair and basically said I didn’t like the way she treated people and not to talk to me again unless there was a serious issue between our kids.

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 17:54

@itsjustnotok

We had a mum like that. Honestly some of the things she said and did were really not ok. Initially many of us tried to be friendly but she would literally wait for you at the gate. She even followed me to the shops 25 mins walk away. Unfortunately for her the parents started to avoid her. Her daughter would lie a lot as well and she constantly denied it and would get upset that other parents didn’t want their kids around. I took as much as I could and the few a pair and basically said I didn’t like the way she treated people and not to talk to me again unless there was a serious issue between our kids.
It's always a shame when a parents behaviour affects their kids. It's a shame because they're always the kids that will inevitably not get invited to things because nobody will want to deal with the parent. It's a shame. I wish they realised how much they embarrass their kids
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whitewashing · 05/03/2022 18:02

You certainly do live and learn. In future don’t give drama llama’s who have fallen foul of the head teacher, had numerous fall outs with other parents etc the benefit of the doubt! Why would you?

Scooby5kids · 05/03/2022 18:28

@whitewashing

You certainly do live and learn. In future don’t give drama llama’s who have fallen foul of the head teacher, had numerous fall outs with other parents etc the benefit of the doubt! Why would you?
Why would I? I don't know now, to be honest! I can certainly look back with hind sight and see that it was a bad decision, but that obviously isn't helpful lol. Sometimes it's easier to say I wouldn't do that but when it comes to it you just get sucked in like everyone else. Toxic people can have a charming way of sucking you in at first. It's the same with abusive relationships you ignore the red flags at first because it's so hard to believe. It's only when you start seeing it and experiencing it for yourself that you believe it and then by that time you're already involved
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booplefloof · 05/03/2022 19:39

You had a lucky escape. I wouldn't give her any more head space.

takemebacktothe80s · 07/03/2022 00:19

I feel for you. I experienced not one but several people like this, when my dd was at juniors. I hated the school run and seemed to attract these weirdos.
It gets easier, once they are at high school you don't have to interact with parents!
I thought great, then I started a new job and met someone like you describe. But I cannot avoid them and it drains me to the point it makes me ill and tired.
I feel like I have a heavy weight on my chest from their negativity. I've tried to raise this with my manager but nothing is done. Sad.

AWillhelmBobs · 07/03/2022 07:06

It's called trauma dumping @takemebacktothe80s. If it's at work, try to challenge her. Don't be a sympathetic listener. When she starts at it, asks her if she has ever thought about seeing a counsellor as she seems to struggle a lot. Has your workplace mental health support? If yes, tell her to contact them. You could also try to say so what happy things are happening in your life or is it all doom and gloom? People who are so thick skinned towards others and so rude with their negativity need to not have all these polite sympathetic nodders to enable them. IMO

Scooby5kids · 07/03/2022 08:21

@takemebacktothe80s

I feel for you. I experienced not one but several people like this, when my dd was at juniors. I hated the school run and seemed to attract these weirdos. It gets easier, once they are at high school you don't have to interact with parents! I thought great, then I started a new job and met someone like you describe. But I cannot avoid them and it drains me to the point it makes me ill and tired. I feel like I have a heavy weight on my chest from their negativity. I've tried to raise this with my manager but nothing is done. Sad.
I feel for you, I know how you feel. I've had several friendships like this over my life. The one before this lady was my best mate of 7 years. One day I just got so sick of her BS I just snapped and said I was done. I deleted her off all social media, blocked her number and I've not spoke to her for 3 years. This is the problem with me. I struggle to tell people how I feel when they're upsetting me so I just take it and take it and never say anything, and then One day I just go nuclear on them. 🙈 My most toxic trait is that once I'm done, I'm done, there is no going back with people. It does generally take a long time for people to wear me down but then I just lose it and they may as well be dead to me.

I've not had a best friend since because I can't deal with people being needy and trying to organise my life. I do have some good friends but they're all like me, people who like to keep themselves to themselves most of the time and we just meet up to catch up every now and again. I prefer this kind of friendship

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