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DH has told me that our entire marriage has been crap

227 replies

Trueblues · 19/02/2022 19:29

As in sex.
We’ve been married for more than a decade. We have two kids. Last night I was minding my own business watching a movie. He comes and decides to watch with me. There’s a scene where the characters get hot and steamy. He pipes up that we “used to be like that before we got married”. I was a bit shocked to be honest because although sex has dwindled the last few years due to lack of empathy, communication, leading to lack of connection which puts me off, it hasn’t always been like that. So I said “we’ve had hot sex since we’ve been married” he says “when”? in a nasty tone. We had a daytime quickie initiated by me about a week ago. He came, I didn’t but I thought we’d had a good time while we were doing it. I said “last week was pretty hot I thought” “not really” he says. Then he says “we just need to do it more” I dropped it at that point because there’s a history of this kind of conversation escalating and I’ve learnt to not argue my point if he’s upset me. It gets me nowhere but I’m really hurt and deflated. I feel like giving up to be honest. The issue with the “we need to do it more” is that I now don’t. He always gets his jollies but never finishes me off. I’m always left high and dry and after this conversation I’m left wondering what’s the point. What I want to be able to do is actually have a conversation with him about it but I can’t because he’s going to shut me down and we will get nowhere. Im wondering what other people would do in my position?

OP posts:
Loopytiles · 20/02/2022 06:54

What would happen if you didn’t apologise?

It’s not ‘controlling’ not to want sex with someone due to their behaviour, in bed and out.

Couples counselling isn’f recommended where there’s abuse: there seem to be signs that your H is emotionally abusive. It’d be better for you to go to counselling alone.

Wintersbone · 20/02/2022 07:13

Nothing sexier than a mantrum. You need some help with your self esteem OP. He sounds like an awful bully.

rainbowstardrops · 20/02/2022 07:13

Bloody hell, he sounds like a vile bully!!! Stop apologising to him for a start!
I'd point out how shit he is in bed.
I sincerely hope he's a decent person in all other areas of your relationship but I highly doubt it.

Migrainesbythedozen · 20/02/2022 07:16

You need to tell him you won't have sex again unless he agrees with marriage counselling because he simply won't listen to you.

Or, tell him what's the point in having sex when he doesn't get you off? That you'll have no more sex until he puts in the effort.

PermanentTemporary · 20/02/2022 07:18

'You control the sex?'

What?

God, I'm sorry, he has a very skewed view of what sex even is. It is not an endless stream of his orgasms which you prevent or allow. Is he on MRA forums?

What did you apologise for?

Mumof3confused · 20/02/2022 07:28

What did you say to him? And what did you feel you had to apologise for, exactly?

He is abusive, op. You may not believe that he is because he does not hit you but abuse comes in many forms. You should not have to walk on eggshells, or put up with being spoken to the way he does. You performing in bed despite receiving nothing in return is an illustration of this. In what other areas of life do you run around making his life easier/better without any hope of having this reflected back to you?

It would seem you have worse problems than a bad sex life. Fixing the sex life depends on fixing the other things that are wrong. Ask yourself what you are getting out of this marriage? And book yourself a counsellor or therapist, alone.

irishoak · 20/02/2022 07:30

OP, your situation reminds me a little of my own previous situation with my ex. I'm guessing you're walking on eggshells a lot of the time? Scared to express your feelings or opinion about most things, in case he escalates it?

My ex thought he was entitled to more sex, even told me I was lucky he didn't rape me (as in his eyes it would have been justified). I'd also get shouted at during sex if I wasn't "doing it right". I sat in marriage counselling listening to him play the victim about it. It took me phoning women's aid to hear someone say, "of course you don't want to have sex with someone who shouts at you - why would you?"

OP, he's horrible to you. You deserve better than this in so many different ways.

Wallywobbles · 20/02/2022 07:34

God this was what my ExH said to me. Sex was shit but mostly for me. He would bully me for anal that I hate. He shot his load in a couple of minutes and I was left high & dry. All the while he was fucking is ex.

cocktailclub · 20/02/2022 07:48

A mediator or a divorce?
You might be happier with the divorce.

arethereanyleftatall · 20/02/2022 07:54

How did you bring it up op? What precisely did you say?

Piggyk2 · 20/02/2022 07:58

Don't have sex with him OP until he is willing to discuss it with you.

MondayYogurt · 20/02/2022 08:01

He’s annoyed because I control the sex.

You control your body. How very dare you!
Honestly, he needs to order a sex doll and be done with it.

TibetanTerrah · 20/02/2022 08:13

I get to say when it happens

This wankstain really doesn't get the concept of consent does he?

GabriellaMontez · 20/02/2022 08:30

What is keeping you with this man that can't even have a discussion? What was said?

The last thing I'd say before i never have sex with him again (and make plans to leave) is "we need to discuss this so we can fix it. Let me know when you want to talk"

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2022 08:38

@Trueblues

So I did bring it up and it didn’t go well. It escalated into him storming off and me needing to apologise. Again. This is how these things always end up. He’s annoyed because I control the sex. I get to say when it happens. So I’m not really sure where to go from here. It’s always a “battle of wills” or some sort of competition with not letting me win or something. Rather than an exchange of honest opinions from people who care about each other and want the best for each other. So it’s shut me down again. I’m always left feeling sick to the stomach. He battles me over everything. He’s disgruntled and difficult. I’m wondering if we need a mediator actually because he can’t hear what I say without having his back up and he can’t talk to me without blowing up and becoming angry/storming off.
He’s annoyed because I control the sex. I get to say when it happens. So I’m not really sure where to go from here. It’s always a “battle of wills” or some sort of competition with not letting me win or something.

This stands out.

If he says you control the sex, thats abusive. He's trying to emotionally blackmail you and control you. Its trying to force you to have sex when you don't want it. That forcing you to think about consenting when you don't want because you are under undue pressure. Thats not valid consent.

The reality here is its healthy in a relationship for a woman to say when she wants sex. It shows she's respected and has agency. The moment this is used against her that says the relationship is breaking down in other ways. Its not about the sex. Its about control and lack of respect.

He thinks he owns you.

The whole battle of wills thing, is more of the same.

Seriously this isn't about the sex. You need to think about the whole relationship and how he values you and how he respects you. Cos this sounds like he expects you to obey him and put out on demand because thats his right. Its not.

A mediator isn't going to solve this.

Why? Cos its your suggestion. He doesn't think you need it and he will only go along with the attitude to prove you wrong. If you can convince him to go at all. He thinks he's right and you are being difficult and aren't putting in the effort.

If you go and it all works out ok and things improve, i will be amazed.

The problem here is that he doesn't want to make an effort. He thinks its your fault and your responsibility. He's looking around and comparing you to a fantasy, where of course the grass is greener. Its not reality. He probably is looking for a 'better option' out there if he hasn't already got one - and will keep hanging on to you for convenience until he finds it. At which point when hes ready to go he will drop you like a stone for a younger model, go through the whole process again.

You may need to really consider whether the relationship can be saved. And how protected you are long term financially and whats in the kids best interests. Cos this aint it.

Good luck. I think you have a long difficult road ahead.

Natty13 · 20/02/2022 08:38

@Trueblues

I’m wondering what people would do now in my position? How would you approach a conversation about this?
"If you got me off more often I'd probably want to have sex with you more often." Bluntly, with poker face. Then walk away. That's it.
RandomMess · 20/02/2022 08:47

So many posters have already said it.

I doesn't actually love and respect you does he?

He's awful to you AngrySad

DrSbaitso · 20/02/2022 08:58

@Trueblues

So I did bring it up and it didn’t go well. It escalated into him storming off and me needing to apologise. Again. This is how these things always end up. He’s annoyed because I control the sex. I get to say when it happens. So I’m not really sure where to go from here. It’s always a “battle of wills” or some sort of competition with not letting me win or something. Rather than an exchange of honest opinions from people who care about each other and want the best for each other. So it’s shut me down again. I’m always left feeling sick to the stomach. He battles me over everything. He’s disgruntled and difficult. I’m wondering if we need a mediator actually because he can’t hear what I say without having his back up and he can’t talk to me without blowing up and becoming angry/storming off.
You don't need a mediator, you need to get out of this relationship. Sex isn't supposed to be a battleground or a weapon, especially not in a supposedly loving life partnership. And nor is the rest of it.

You're both miserable and this isn't love, it's an ongoing battle with no winners.

Trueblues · 20/02/2022 09:16

@NumberTheory I apologised for bringing it up at such a late hour which wasn’t appropriate. I explained that it’s tricky to talk to him about anything during the day because the kids are around and it’s never the right time. I also apologise because otherwise he’s sleeping on the sofa and it’s an awful atmosphere that just carries over to the next day. We’re in a pattern where I can’t argue or talk about anything difficult (like the thing he says about sex) because then he gets angry that it’s 1) too late at night to be talking about this stuff 2) I’m not saying anything positive about him 3) brow beating him to get him to agree with me. I’m not sure how to say what I need to say without this response. I’ve tried saying it’s important we communicate about this as it’s an important part of our marriage. Whatever I say he bats back with the hump and acidy response so I don’t know how to have a normal chat. I need to be able to say “what you said hurt my feelings and I’m worried sick about this” or is he right and that’s me being emotional/dramatic?

OP posts:
Loopytiles · 20/02/2022 09:19

His behaviour is emotionally and sexually abusive, OP.

PermanentTemporary · 20/02/2022 09:19

He storms off and sleeps on the sofa and you're being emotional/dramatic?

Please for the live of God get relationship therapy, couples counselling, whatever because at the moment you can't talk to each other at all.

PermanentTemporary · 20/02/2022 09:21

Im going to bet his parents are divorced, don't talk to each other and he watches porn.

GabriellaMontez · 20/02/2022 09:24

So if you want a discussion about anything remotely tricky. He is angry, sleeps on the sofa, refuses to discuss... but you're the dramatic one?

Apart from this issue about sex are you able to talk to him? Or are there other topics that are off limits?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/02/2022 09:25

What RedToothBrush wrote.

You do an awful lot of apologising here for issues he has caused. I would also think he rarely, if ever, apologises to you for anything he does wrong.

What do you think your children are learning about relationships here?.
He has and continues to stonewall you here; the only opinion he will accept is his own.

Indeed as Mumof3confused writes, "Ask yourself what you are getting out of this marriage?. And book yourself a counsellor or therapist, alone". I sincerely hope you have not fallen into the, "staying for the sake of the kids" trap.

You do not need a mediator, you need a divorce. This is who he is and has been for much, if not all, of your marriage.

GabriellaMontez · 20/02/2022 09:25

Please don't ever give him another blow job (by the way, when was that last reciprocated)?

In fact don't ever have sex with him again.

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