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DH has told me that our entire marriage has been crap

227 replies

Trueblues · 19/02/2022 19:29

As in sex.
We’ve been married for more than a decade. We have two kids. Last night I was minding my own business watching a movie. He comes and decides to watch with me. There’s a scene where the characters get hot and steamy. He pipes up that we “used to be like that before we got married”. I was a bit shocked to be honest because although sex has dwindled the last few years due to lack of empathy, communication, leading to lack of connection which puts me off, it hasn’t always been like that. So I said “we’ve had hot sex since we’ve been married” he says “when”? in a nasty tone. We had a daytime quickie initiated by me about a week ago. He came, I didn’t but I thought we’d had a good time while we were doing it. I said “last week was pretty hot I thought” “not really” he says. Then he says “we just need to do it more” I dropped it at that point because there’s a history of this kind of conversation escalating and I’ve learnt to not argue my point if he’s upset me. It gets me nowhere but I’m really hurt and deflated. I feel like giving up to be honest. The issue with the “we need to do it more” is that I now don’t. He always gets his jollies but never finishes me off. I’m always left high and dry and after this conversation I’m left wondering what’s the point. What I want to be able to do is actually have a conversation with him about it but I can’t because he’s going to shut me down and we will get nowhere. Im wondering what other people would do in my position?

OP posts:
GreenFingeredNell15 · 19/02/2022 20:49

I think the fact that you feel unable to talk to him about a subject which is important as you feel he'll get angry or ignore you, indicates that your marriage needs some work from him.

BOOTS52 · 19/02/2022 20:49

I totally understand where you are coming from and he sounds like a selfish man in and out of the bedroom. Throwing snide remarks at you but not sitting down to talk to you properly without going off on one. If there is no emotional connection and love and caring then of course how can you just be expected to be all sexual especially if he just puts his needs first and then it is over. Why is he not taking the time to give you pleasure first and to do foreplay. I would write him a letter explaining all this and if he cannot talk to you about it then that says it all for your future. He feels very entitled to be honest and I can see how frustration builds up where you are just turned off by him and his demands, nothing worse him demanding and he is thinking he needs more sex. How is the rest of your life together, does he do his share in the house, with children etc. Do not let him bully you into sex as this will make you feel even worse. Someone who loves you will want to take the time to make sure you enjoy it or someone who respects you, sure there are times when a quickie is great but if that is all he wants would turn me right off. Hope you are ok. I think it would do you good to talk to someone alone and to get some support and then you can make decisions regarding your future.

WonderfulYou · 19/02/2022 20:52

It doesn’t sound like the entire relationship is very good tbh.

I would bring it up with him this evening and say the reason you don’t have sex very often is because you don’t enjoy it as he doesn’t put in the effort to make you orgasm.
Tell him if he wants to have more sex he’s going to have to put in more effort and more foreplay so you can orgasm a couple of times before he does instead of him leaving you unsatisfied.

I don’t know how you sat there listening to him moaning about his rubbish sex life and didn’t say anything about how selfish he is.

jytdtysrht · 19/02/2022 20:58

You can easily start the conversation:

"I want to talk about sex, in particular the conversation we had last week...

go on to say that you aren't inclined to do it more as he doesn't bother making you come and just buggers off after he has

and if he cuts you off, just text him the info.

Be blunt. It's almost like you are talking to your boss, in that you need to be on your best behavior - NO! - he needs to bloody listen and he is not your boss.

You should NOT feel 2 inches tall. He should. He's the shit and selfish lover here.

jytdtysrht · 19/02/2022 20:58

And you shouldn't worry about pissing him off.

wingscrow · 19/02/2022 20:59

The point is you are hardly likely to want to have 'hot sex' with a man who you can't communicate with and who doesn't seem to show you much affection and respect. If the wider relationships if not great that will affect sex. Also it just sounds like he is a selfish lover who always leaves you dissatisfied

Maybe it is time to ask yourself whether you really want this to carry on. It doesn't sound like you are getting much out of this relationship.

WonderfulYou · 19/02/2022 21:01

Maybe it is time to ask yourself whether you really want this to carry on. It doesn't sound like you are getting much out of this relationship.

I agree.

If you can’t communicate and have a simple conversation with your partner then it’s not a relationship anymore.

Loopytiles · 19/02/2022 21:02

Was he always so selfish and bad in bed?

It’s sad that you’re feeling bad after criticism from him, when he is selfish and bad in bed.

It sounds like he doesn’t respect or value you.

Imdonna · 19/02/2022 21:02

When he complains about sex and makes you feel shit why do you not tell him that you may want to do it more if he wasn't shit in bed and a decent husband?

Loopytiles · 19/02/2022 21:03

If that’s the case then a conversation is unlikely to help.

formalineadeline · 19/02/2022 21:04

I dropped it at that point because there’s a history of this kind of conversation escalating and I’ve learnt to not argue my point if he’s upset me.

What does this mean? Nobody can suggest how to overcome that - or indeed comment on whether it can be - without knowing what that means.

RandomMess · 19/02/2022 21:05

I think you just need to tell him it's ladies first from now on or get him close to the edge and walk off to sort yourself out.

I don't bet how/why you've stayed in a relationship with someone so selfish!!!

CaptSkippy · 19/02/2022 21:07

@Trueblues

It’s really made me feel shit and deflated to be honest. I’m actually really giving in bed. I always give a blow job and get really amorous. Sex is one thing I’ve always thought I’m good at. Now I’m feeling about two inches tall to be honest
OP, he projecting. By your description he is actually shit in bed. He never initiates and is selfish, never cares about your pleasure. Then he goes around and blames you for it.

Is he having an affair by any chance?

Schlerp · 19/02/2022 21:08

You don’t need some fancy opener to the convo. You sit down on sofa with a cup of tea and a biscuit and just in passing say “you know I’d probably want more sex if you actually bothered to/knew how to give me an orgasm”

There’s no need to be polite or kind. The truth is he cannot give you pleasurable sex and he doesn’t seem to want to and he’s blaming you for not wanting crap sex. Women need to stop worrying about emasculating men and just speak their mind. It’s all very well coming on here for a moan but you know exactly what you have to do and say. By all means look for support but have the ovaries to just get straight to the problem and say your piece. If you’re scared to say it then the problem is bigger than lack of sex.

ZippyZap · 19/02/2022 21:15

I'd tell him, if I got off everytime in sex like he did, then of course I'd want it more... Simple

FizzyBizz · 19/02/2022 21:16

He sounds crap in bed, with a nasty attitude to boot. What’s in it for you?

MadMadMadamMim · 19/02/2022 21:16

I'd tell him bluntly, the main reason we have little 'hot' sex now is that you don't satisfy me. I'm prepared to give blow jobs - but you stop the minute you've come and don't care that I haven't. Put yourself in my shoes for a minute. Would you want to have sex with someone who comes first and disengages whilst you are left hanging and unsatisfied? That's the main problem, mate. Sex with you does nothing for me - I get nothing out of it.

I wouldn't be blaming myself. He's shit in bed and selfish and then wonders why you don't want to have sex with him.

SolidGoldBrassiere · 19/02/2022 21:16

Does he know that you don't come, @Trueblues ? Or is he making assumptions?

pollygartertidywife · 19/02/2022 21:19

It's a real thing. After children female adults go off it.. simple biology. We are in built to not be interested whilst rearing young ...

You need to ' fake it till you make it' if you are that interested in keeping him interested. If you aren't then move on. It's a pretty stark choice .

For most it includes a fairly consistent period of non-child contact . ie kids with grandparents or other carers ... weekends away and child free but theme choices ... most divorces happen when kids are young and mums focus is on her new loves... (children) .. simple biology. !!

Bootikin · 19/02/2022 21:22

He is a total prick. You sound fabulous. You deserve so much more. Run away now, he is an utter arsehole.

ShallWeTalkAboutBruno · 19/02/2022 21:22

@pollygartertidywife

It's a real thing. After children female adults go off it.. simple biology. We are in built to not be interested whilst rearing young ...

You need to ' fake it till you make it' if you are that interested in keeping him interested. If you aren't then move on. It's a pretty stark choice .

For most it includes a fairly consistent period of non-child contact . ie kids with grandparents or other carers ... weekends away and child free but theme choices ... most divorces happen when kids are young and mums focus is on her new loves... (children) .. simple biology. !!

He’s crap in bed and not making her orgasm. No wonder she’s gone off it.
EveningOverRooftops · 19/02/2022 21:25

@Trueblues

I’m wondering what people would do now in my position? How would you approach a conversation about this?
He doesn’t sound like the kind of man to take this reply

‘You’re right, sex is crap, isn’t hot and steamy for me because I can’t remember the last time i had an orgasm’

Nanny0gg · 19/02/2022 21:28

@Trueblues

The issue is now I have no way to approach or reopen the conversation.
I wouldn't bother until he tries it on.

Then tell him exactly why it won't be happening.

Selfish git

DysmalRadius · 19/02/2022 21:28

You need to ' fake it till you make it' if you are that interested in keeping him interested. If you aren't then move on. It's a pretty stark choice .

So you're advising the OP to put up with bad sex where her husband shows no interest in her pleasure, but pretend she's enjoying it more than she is in case he dumps her? Am I really reading this correctly?!

Folklore9074 · 19/02/2022 21:29

@Trueblues

I’m wondering what people would do now in my position? How would you approach a conversation about this?
In your position I’d be blunt.

I’d say, ‘look the reason I’m not that bothered about having sex more is that you never make me come. If you never came when we were having sex, would you be that bothered about fitting it in?’ See what he says.

Yes, I get that that might lead to an escalation but it’s honest isn’t it? What is point in sex if you don’t get some satisfaction at the end?!

For what it’s worth men are capable of satisfying women if they can be arsed. I’m not trying to be ‘braggy’ but my dp can be bothered to put in the time to make sure I enjoy sex and we have small children and busy lives. Because he puts in the work I priorities it on the occasions we both have time and energy.