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Who is at fault?

48 replies

myheartandmyhead · 17/02/2022 19:26

Hi, I've name changed for this post.

I have a partner and children, only 1 child is his. We've been together for a few years but I've known him much longer. For background things are amicable with older kids dad and he comes for tea, Sunday dinner and pops in between him having the kids (usually when he's been working a few days straight so not had much time to see them). We always said he would spend birthdays/Christmas with us so the kids had the best of both worlds and this is how it's always been.

DP is an angry person and grouped with the fact he is off work due to an injury and now awaiting treatment and an operation for this he is depressed. He can't get out much either due to his illness so is experiencing "cabin fever".

He is quite the authoritarian and always the stricter of the two of us which at times has affected our relationship. However I believed we had worked through this and found a compromise.

Recently I was speaking with my DD (13) about her behaviour towards younger siblings and explaining that it seemed strange that she was never at fault. She got upset and walked off in a strop. I went after her and said that it was unacceptable to walk away when DP then marched in behind me and demanded her phone. He then said she had lost it for a week. I disagreed on the grounds that I was dealing with her and his own input was not required. I also said consequences were to be discussed and agreed rather than dictated which is what we agreed when we fell out over the kids.

The same day younger DD (6) had left a bowl she had been using for her sweets in the playroom, no one owned up to it but it came out it was her when I was out of the house. I wasn't told of this when I got home either. Her dad was at the house and he was aware apparently. DP had said she had to eat all food at the table.

The following day we were having a gathering for DD (6) birthday. I ordered a takeaway and when it was delivered the kids were all awaiting theirs and DP said "She's eating hers at the table." I was shocked especially as it was her celebration and she had already been eating all other food at the table. Her dad got up and followed us into the kitchen to sit with her and the other children chose to stay and sit with her. DP came in and questioned why other kids were also at the table. I explained it was their choice and his reply was "Well how is this a punishment for her then?" I was absolutely speechless. At this point her Dad said "All she did was leave a bowl!" My DP spun round and told him to get out before he "dropped" him. EXH left and kids were crying and upset. DP continued his rant and then began to act like nothing had happened. I then took kids to EXH as they were actually due to stay there the night anyway.

DP has now said EXH cannot come into the house, he is to wait at the door to get the kids etc. I've said I disagree because it's not fair on the kids that he couldn't control his temper. Why should they suffer? He's then said he will go out when EXH is coming round but will be taking our child as he isn't allowed around him. I've pointed out that EXH does a lot for the kids and also for the two of us and I don't see what he actually did wrong? I also explained that he is her Dad and therefore he gets a say!

Just to add, I don't particularly like EXH being here as much as he is and I've asked my DP not to invite him for dinner etc but he does anyway. However the circumstances surrounding his now "banning" from the house are what I have the issue with and that my children have to adapt again because a fully grown man can't behave like an adult. If the kids ever behave in a violent way or argue he's the first to jump in and dish out the consequences. It's the double standards thing that gets me and the fact he's supposed to be a role model!

He believes he's been reasonable by saying he will go out when EXH comes round but that impacts on my baby so I'm torn between my kids. Another child has a birthday coming up and is so upset she can't be with her 3 "parents" altogether. Why can't he just set his temper aside for the sake of the children? He accepts he did wrong but said it isn't all on him as DD left the bowl in the first place and EXH shouldn't have stuck his nose in, or at the least should have tried to disagree with him the day before.

Am I really in the wrong? Please be honest.

OP posts:
WhoppingBigBackside · 17/02/2022 19:37

You know who is in the wrong and it's not you.

caranations · 17/02/2022 19:37

Are you in the wrong? No, love.

Your 'D'P is.

Aprilx · 17/02/2022 19:41

I think you should do a few things differently. Your ex is around too much and you expect your current partner to play happy families with him there on all special occasions. It also sounds like you undermine your partner in front of children, surely he has some say in discipline considering he lives with them?

That is not to say your partner couldn’t look at his behaviour as well. I didn’t really understand what was wrong with a bowl in a room in the first place and not even my own very strict parents would punish my siblings or I on our birthday!

So maybe a bit of thinking required from both of you?

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 17/02/2022 19:42

I would rethink my relationship with 'DP'.

sadpapercourtesan · 17/02/2022 19:48

Your DP is abusive. He's controlling, self-centred, intimidating and a bully. I don't think any of your children can be happy living with him, and the messages they're receiving about how adults are allowed to treat them and each other are really unhealthy. If I were you, I would be taking steps to separate.

Your boundaries with your exH need tightening up as well. It would be easier and less stressful for you and your children if there was a clear demarcation between their time with you and their time with him. This is a completely different problem, and in no way excuses or explains your current partner's appalling behaviour.

Would you consider some counselling for yourself? I think you need to have a rethink about personal boundaries, and how much of yourself, your time and your autonomy you are prepared to cede to the men in your life. You have young girls to bring up, and it would be better if they didn't learn that women have to suck up shitty behaviour from men.

CousinKrispy · 17/02/2022 19:51

Your current partner is an aggressive bully.

This is not caused by you or the children. Yet you are the ones paying the price.

I hope you can find the strength to leave.

Beachsidesunset · 17/02/2022 19:52

Your household sounds horrible. Poor children.

dundermifflinpapersalesman1 · 17/02/2022 19:53

I don't know if I have much to add to this but I thought I'd comment anyways. My SD is at ours a lot and we go to her BMs a lot too. We have a great blended family and will look after each other's kids as well. I have a BD with my SD dad and her BM has another DD with her husband. We all meet up on the odd days for soft play or park, dinner etc. this is all something we are comfortable with though! I can go pick up my SD and go inside and talk to her Sdad or Bm. Same as if they come here. If your not comfortable with the arrangements you have atm then you need to change it.

Your DP itah

Tequilamockinbird · 17/02/2022 19:59

Your 'D'P sounds awful.

This is not a good environment for either you or the kids.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/02/2022 20:00

Your problem is your current partner, not your ex.

GiantSpider · 17/02/2022 20:03

There is no way I would put up with my partner behaving like this towards my kids. I can't believe he ruined your DD's birthday meal just because she left a bowl in the playroom! Seriously he sounds really awful Angry

formalineadeline · 17/02/2022 20:06

My DP spun round and told him to get out before he "dropped" him. EXH left and kids were crying and upset.

I hope you leave him. Soon.

Natty13 · 17/02/2022 20:10

You are absolutely in the wrong....for allowing this fucking tyrant to bully your children.

I felt sorry for your 13 year old and when I got to the bit about your 6 year old my blood boiled for her. Those kids deserve better.

Women like you honestly make me sick. Woman up and protect your fucking children.

pictish · 17/02/2022 20:11

Your partner is a bloody awful man. She left a bowl out…and? AND??

This guy just looks for shit to throw his weight around over because he enjoys it.
Fuck him off. Fuck. Him. Off.

pictish · 17/02/2022 20:14

I have no doubt he couldn’t stand the happy vibe surrounding your dd’s birthday…it wasn’t about him so he had to make sure it was. Used the fucking bowl to get the control back.
Absolute ghoul.

sassbott · 17/02/2022 20:19

DP is an angry person and grouped with the fact he is off work due to an injury and now awaiting treatment and an operation for this he is depressed. He can't get out much either due to his illness so is experiencing "cabin fever"

Why are you explaining why he is angry? It’s like you’re trying to normalise/ explain his behaviour. To be absolutely clear nothing you’ve written above justifies your partners behaviour.

You say you have a baby with this man, has his behaviour worsened since the baby arrived?

My DP spun round and told him to get out before he "dropped" him
This would be a non negotiable for me. Take a long hard look at this behaviour and think about what example it is setting for all the children in the house. No one healthy thinks that this is close to acceptable. Good on your exh for having the sense and resolve to not escalate matters and leave. Do you have any idea how insulting that must have felt to be spoken to in that way in front of your own children and then go home and think ‘Christ my kids are living with that bully.’

The boundaries with your ex are a different matter. This man sounds awful.

sassbott · 17/02/2022 20:22

I also agree whole heartedly about this man using the bowl as an excuse to control your DD’s birthday.

He’s abusive, deeply so. And you’re seeing these behaviours because you’ve had a child with him. It’s very common for behaviours like this to escalate when they think you’re ‘trapped’.

Please protect your kids from this man. He sounds awful. If i was your exh I would be wondering how I could have my children more to remove them from that environment

CagneyNYPD1 · 17/02/2022 20:35

What a miserable way for your dc to live. To be punished on your 6th birthday for leaving a bowl in the playroom. Do you realise just how awful he is?

Don't make excuses for him. The operation, the cabin fever - all excuses. These have simply meant that he is around a lot more and you are seeing the true him.

CagneyNYPD1 · 17/02/2022 20:41

Oh and if I was your exH, we would be having a serious conversation about how this man treats our dc. I wouldn't give 2 shits if you have further dc with him, no new partner would be treating my dc in this way. If I was your exH, I would now be researching my options re 50:50 at least to protect my dc from this man.

MrsKeats · 17/02/2022 20:41

Your ex sounds a lot nicer than your current bloke.

Prokupatuscrakedatus · 17/02/2022 20:45

As the second parent I would consider to get my DC out of that place and away from that bully.

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 17/02/2022 20:50

So surely you now have 2 exes. And 1 needs banned from your home.

converseandjeans · 17/02/2022 20:51

He sounds awful. My kids always leave bowls etc lying around. He wanted a 6 year to be punished the following day on her actual birthday and was cross when the other children chose to sit with her?? Is he her father?

I don't think I would accept that sort of vibe in the house.

I think you need to work out what is best for children. Could they stay with Dad /ex over half term?

TuscanApothecary · 17/02/2022 20:51

Your P needs to leave.

Your dc don't deserve this. Put them first.

I bet any amount of money your P will put the tears on, blame his depression and you will give in and he'll pretend to be nice till he gets comfortable again. Fuck that shit, he's controlling and a bully.

ChargingBuck · 17/02/2022 20:52

At this point her Dad said "All she did was leave a bowl!" My DP spun round and told him to get out before he "dropped" him
Get rid of this man before his temper & violence get visited on your or your DC.

Just to add, I don't particularly like EXH being here as much as he is and I've asked my DP not to invite him for dinner etc but he does anyway.
FFS - get rid of the pair of these men & reclaim your own agency, by living your own life, in your own home, without them arbitrarily punishing your kids or invading your space.

Your "DP" is going to make your older kids hate him, & resent you.
Your poor 13 year old - having to live with a man who isn't her dad, & who acts like a Dickensian headmaster.

It's high time you were left alone to parent your own children in your own way, & it's beyond time that your awful, aggressive dick of partner was punted out of what should be their safe space - their own home.

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