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Partner heavy drinking

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Starontopofthetree · 17/02/2022 12:45

off as a reply to the other recent thread from a lady whose husband is drinking a lot.

I realised that actually, I should probably start a thread of my own rather than jump on hers, as I could really do with some help deciding what to do...

I could do with some handholding as I just can't seem to follow through with splitting with my partner.

A brief bit of history; we rent on a joint tenancy, are engaged, I have three children (not his), we've been together for 7 years and he's drunk heavily since we first started going out. We've had quite a rocky relationship, mainly due to the drinking and his lack of interest in my children. He doesn't parent them, he isn't really all that warm towards them, although he does drive us around as I don't drive, hoovers, washes up and cooks. The rest of the chores are mine.

He spends most of his time playing the xbox and opens a beer (bottle) as soon as we get in from the school run, he has three of those plus 2 bottles of red wine (always buys the 14%!) every evening.

The trouble is, I drink too (a couple of ciders every evening that he drinks) as it feels like it helps me ignore how much he's drinking. I ALWAYS say that we (he, as I wouldn't drink if he wasn't) need to cut down to only Friday a day Saturday drinking (I'd rather we stopped completely but hope that just weekends would be a start) but it gets to Sunday and he asks if I fancy a drink, I'm unable to say no as I feel guilty, so we do, then the same happens on Monday, rinse and repeat.

This week, I suggested a drink on Monday with a takeaway as it was valentines day (now I'm making excuses to drink and hate myself for that!), so we did, then we didn't drink on Tuesday and I was glad he didn't mention it. Yesterday comes around and he asks if I fancied a cider that evening.
I flipped and said we had to split, we spent the evening apart and are semi speaking now, but he told me he was confused as one day I suggest a cider but when he suggests "a midweek drink and giving up until Friday and Saturday", I go off on one.

He says I'm giving mixed signals.

Am I part of the problem here? I wonder whether I should give the relationship another 6 months or so, telling him that I want him to make a real effort to stop drinking or at least cut down, and stop drinking myself to reinforce the message. Then see whether he sticks to it.

What do you think?

PS - for reference, what usually happens with us (and has done for the last 7 years) is he drinks 2 bottles of wine and 3 beers on a Friday and a Saturday, I join in with my 2 ciders and 'snacks' each day, then I say I don't want to drink on Sunday. He agrees, then sunday night asks if a fancy a cider. I agree as I know he will feel bad if I say no. He enjoys drinking obviously and says its boring if he isn't drinking.
This then happens every single day of the week. Every sunday I say the following week we have to try and drink only on a Friday and Saturday and he agrees, until Sunday evening.
Every now and again he does have a couple of days off and doesn't seem to have headaches, sweats or anything like that.
He is self employed but things are slow and spends all day at home with me when he's not working, so I know he isn't drinking more than I know about.

I'll stop typing now. Apologies in advance for the disordered post but I'm no confused as to what to do, made worse by the fact he isn't 'officially' self employed, has awful credit and barely any money, as his business is very slow at the moment. So if he does move out he will struggle to find anywhere else to rent,and has already said he won't find a flat, he will only choose to live in a specific type of place; a rented room in someone's house, which I also feel bad about. If he would rent a flat I'd almost feel better about splitting up as then he'd have his own space, as he does here.

OP posts:
Starontopofthetree · 17/02/2022 12:46

The first line should read "this started off as".

Not sure what happened there!

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ChargingBuck · 17/02/2022 13:56

I agree as I know he will feel bad if I say no

he will struggle to find anywhere else to rent, and has already said he won't find a flat, he will only choose to live in a specific type of place; a rented room in someone's house, which I also feel bad about.

Please take this in the kind spirit in which it is meant OP, but for goodness sake - STOP!

Stop feeling sorry for him.
Stop enabling his drinking by drinking yourself, even when you don't want to.
Stop feeling sorry for a grown man who "can't" fund a decent home for himself - but can spend £20 a day on booze.
Stop enabling a man who doesn't like or even feign warmth toward your DC.

He is cocklodging off you while spending £600 a month on his drinking.

STOP trying to find solutions to his drinking, & remove the problem at source: get rid of him, & concentrate on just you & the kids.

wonderwoman26 · 17/02/2022 14:02

if im honest - it sounds like you have a problem just as much as he does.
But you are trying to excuse it by saying you feel sorry to let him drink on his own - can honestly say i have never heard this excuse before.

If you dont want to drink - don't. But dont make it sound like your only drinking to support (???) him in his unhealthy habit.

ChargingBuck · 17/02/2022 14:03

Am I part of the problem here? I wonder whether I should give the relationship another 6 months or so, telling him that I want him to make a real effort to stop drinking or at least cut down, and stop drinking myself to reinforce the message. Then see whether he sticks to it.

Um ... gently - yes.

You have the best intentions, but you have to realise this about his alcoholism:
You did not cause it. You cannot control it. You cannot cure it.

It is very common for the partners of alcoholics to tie themselves in knots trying to find solutions to the problem drinking. You - like all of them - WILL FAIL.
Nobody can stop his drinking but him, & he doesn't want to.
Life is "boring" for him without booze.

Think about that.
He prefers booze to you, to your DC, to any family life. He spends his evenings on his Xbox, drinking, & ignoring you.
You say his business is slack - that will be because he is too hungover to summon the energy & positivity needed to hustle up more work.
Also ... because he doesn't need to, does he?
Lately, it's not just the evenings he spends boozing & gaming. It's daytime too, because why wouldn't he? - his partner is footing his bills while he sits on his arse.

This is a lost cause OP.
Don't give it another 6 months. Nothing will change except you will become more anxious, & he will give you either a load of baloney, or get aggressive & blame you.
Get him out now. Your DC will be much happier without a shiftless drunk in their home who doesn't even like them, & in a few weeks - so will you.

GrazingSheep · 17/02/2022 14:09

Your poor kids

GeneLovesJezebel · 17/02/2022 14:14

Yes, you both have a problem, but the kids are yours and you need to make a big change.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2022 14:44

@GeneLovesJezebel

Yes, you both have a problem, but the kids are yours and you need to make a big change.
This.

Your poor kids.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2022 14:51

We've had quite a rocky relationship, mainly due to the drinking and his lack of interest in my children.

Putting a man like this, who drinks around 25 units of alcohol a day (going by the info you've given) before the wellbeing of your children is unbelievable.

The maximum recommended alcohol units for a bloke per week is 14. He's doing more than that a day.

What are you thinking making your children grow up in this home?

So if he does move out he will struggle to find anywhere else to rent,and has already said he won't find a flat, he will only choose to live in a specific type of place; a rented room in someone's house, which I also feel bad about.

Stop feeling bad for the alcoholic you've inflicted on your kids for seven years and start feeling bad about inflicting him on them.

Honestly these poor children.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/02/2022 14:54

Starontopofthetree

What are you getting out of this relationship now?.

Re your comment:-
"So if he does move out he will struggle to find anywhere else to rent, and has already said he won't find a flat, he will only choose to live in a specific type of place; a rented room in someone's house, which I also feel bad about".

What he is saying here is all designed intentionally to make you feel bad but where he goes post you separating from him is not your problem nor responsibility. Why are you making this a problem for you?. Again this is codependency; you feel somehow responsible for him. His needs though are not more important than your own.

I think you are codependent and you were targeted by this man deliberately partly as a result. Your boundaries, already perhaps somewhat messed up to start with, are being further eroded by this man now. This will have a knock on effect on your children who are also learning about relationships from you. Look at what they are seeing her properly. Is this really the role model you want to be showing them?. No it is not, this is no legacy for you to leave them.

And yes you are one half of the problem. You are also carrying out the usual roles associated with such people on the receiving end of alcoholism; namely codependent partner, enabler and provoker (because you never forget). You cannot rescue and or save this man nor can you fix this lost cause of a relationship; a relationship that should never have been allowed to happen. It was a sad day for you and your kids in particular when your paths actually crossed.

Stop drinking alcohol with him (that is enabling behaviour apart from anything else) and make your home now alcohol free. It also goes without saying you need to be rid of him altogether. Those are the best ways forward for you and in turn your kids here.

EllaVaNight · 17/02/2022 15:17

Whatever his faults are you are exposing your children to his awful behaviour and you are setting terrible examples in terms of drinking and what they have to model their relationships on. I wouldn't imagine they're enjoying their life with him in it.

Bananalanacake · 17/02/2022 15:56

I hope he pays towards bills and food.

Fredastaireschair · 17/02/2022 16:00

He'll be still drunk on the school run surely?

You need to end this. Nevermind where He'll live, that's his problem and he's a grown man.

It'll only get worse and your children will notice if thy haven't already.

Aquamarine1029 · 17/02/2022 16:01

Your poor kids, what about them? Why have you allowed a man into their life who doesn't even care about them? This alone is simply awful, and the drinking only makes it worse. Put your kids first, FFS.

Starontopofthetree · 17/02/2022 16:13

Please be assured everyone that I'm not deliberately choosing to inflict this man on my children, as someone put it; he's previously said (during an argument) that he will only leave in his own time and as I am on universal credit topping up my earnings and also bad credit, it's not easy to find a property of my own.

So that, compounded by the guilt of asking someone who told me yesterday that he is "happy with his lot" and "thought we were fine" as well as him telling me that he gets confused with my mixed signals re the drinking...it just all makes my head spin and I end up just putting my head down. The atmosphere after an argument (any time I assert) myself is so tense and I worry that's affecting the children more than the drinking.

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Starontopofthetree · 17/02/2022 16:16

@Fredastaireschair

He'll be still drunk on the school run surely?

You need to end this. Nevermind where He'll live, that's his problem and he's a grown man.

It'll only get worse and your children will notice if thy haven't already.

I don't know. I've looked into all that but I don't know whether the body retains alcohol or not. He was once stopped by the police for having snow on his wingmirror and as it was around Xmas they breathalysed him. Or this is what he tells me, I was at home with the children at the time. He says the breathalyser didn't pick up any alcohol and this gets brought up if I mention him potentially still being drunk or under the effects of alcohol on the school run.
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GrazingSheep · 17/02/2022 16:37

Everything about the way they are having to live is affecting the children. Badly.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/02/2022 16:38

The atmosphere after an argument (any time I assert) myself is so tense and I worry that's affecting the children more than the drinking.

But you're presenting this as if there are two options - them witnessing his alcoholism or them witnessing you arguing. There is a third option. You split up.

Your children have spent their entire primary school years living with an alcoholic man who doesn't take interest in them and hasn't warmed to them.

A man who drinks 25ish units a day. The weekly maximum recommended is 14 units.

What have you proactively done to look into the logistics of splitting? I understand being on UC as a wage top up and having poor credit history means it's not easy but that doesn't mean you're stuck there indefinitely. What have you done proactively? Called Shelter? The local council? Womens aid? Anyone?

You said a few months ago on here that you had split up. What was the plan then, as it sounds like you were very sure of leaving at that point and I guess got cold feet so called off the split? You've done it before, you can do it again and this time follow through.

Your kids are growing up in an environment where the longer you stay there (and it's already been seven years), the more likely they are to develop alcoholism themselves and / or end up in a relationship with an addict as adults. Or both. All due to the dynamic they are seeing modelled day in, day out.

They aren't his kids. They're yours. They are your responsibility and having them grow up in this environment is grossly unfair. Allowing him to drive them when you know he is an alcoholic is baffling and should be the first thing you put a stop to. You would never forgive yourself if something happened with them in the car.

thepeopleversuswork · 18/02/2022 14:12

He sounds like an absolute prince.
Inflicting him and his alcoholism on your children is totally unacceptable. You are basically teaching them with a life with a cocklodging alcoholic is all they can aspire to.
Get a grip and get him out.

RantyAunty · 18/02/2022 15:04

Of course he's happy.
He can sit around and drink and play xbox like a teen.

Think about your children's feelings.
You'll have a lot more money without this cocklodger in your life.

He's a grown man. He can fend for himself so you don't need to worry about what will happen to him.

Suzanne999 · 18/02/2022 17:16

I tried a million different was to get my ex h to stop drinking. I joined in, just 2 drinks, hoping he’d see it was easy to stop after two drinks ( cos I could—- he couldn’t) I offered to pay for rehab, I offered holiday of a lifetime, I took all the stress off him by paying all the sodding bills ( which gave him more money for drink) Honestly, the list could go on…and on…..and on. Eventually I went to an alcohol counsellor who told me I was enabling him to drink. I’ll be honest, I withdrew all support, refused money, refused to drive him for alcohol ( so he drove drunk and told me it would be my fault if he’d killed someone) He showed his true colours then, aggressive, threatening. I left.
Please call Al Anon for support.
Or find a drug and alcohol counselling service in your area.
Stop drinking. I realised I’d been drinking to somehow support him, I didn’t even like alcohol.
Get help for yourself ASAP.
And stop him driving the morning after as he’s probably still over the limit.

Bxuxtxtxexrxfxlxy · 18/02/2022 19:08

My boyfriend had a drink problem. He was with his ex for 8.5 years. They were a pair of piss heads but she didn't get a problem. She's very much a glass of wine in hand on 90% of her pics woman. His drinking ruined the relationship on top of her being wrapped up in mates and girlie holidays. So they just didn't bring out the best in eachother.

His drinking only ended when he took an overdose and text the ex to say goodbye 8 months after he moved out. She saved him by calling him an ambulance.

From my point of view knowing him sober he's probably also a dry drunk. His ex and her family were always drinking and judged him for loosing control and his support network is shocking. It only really consists of me but his ex still texts him. She's a pain in the arse really and I wish she would clear off now as there's no good coming from this so called contact..

You do need to stop drinking yes. It's become a problem.

tkwal · 18/02/2022 20:03

Yes you are enabling him

Drinkers love company for exactly the reason you feel awkward about saying no when he asks if you fancy one. If you're drinking you can't complain to him about his consumption.

He probably is over the limit when he's driving your kids around (each unit of alcohol takes approximately half an hour to leave your system)He's probably hardly ever entirely sober

When I spoke to a gp about heavy drinking they told me partners probably only know about half of the amount the drinker consumes

I'm basing all of this on experience. I was lied to, gaslighted about the amount he had consumed, I was crazy, imagining things , making it up to make him look bad. He was out of work due to complications from an industrial injury, so taking strong pain killers. I did warn him about the risk but he didn't believe the "couple of tins" he admitted to would do him any harm. He needed them to drown out my nagging. Until he had a stroke. His liver was damaged but its recovered now (5 years later) He has alcohol related vascular dementia. We are still married but it's more like living with a room mate than anything else.

Don't let your partner continue on this path. It's no good for him, you and especially not for your kids

Wasywasydoodah · 18/02/2022 20:20

That’s a vast amount of alcohol and it will ruin his health in some way or another. Alcohol related dementia, diabetes, liver disease, heart disease or something else. You’ll have to care for him sooner or later and I personally couldn’t cope with that when it’s clearly so self inflicted.

I lived with an alcoholic dad growing up. The mood swings, seeing them comatose on the floor, affected me more than my mum probably knew or could accept. I moved far away and didn’t go back. Dad is dead now and my relationship with my mum is tricky.

Add all that to the fact that he will definitely be driving drunk when doing the school run. To allow him to do the school run with your children in the car is neglect on your part.

MinnieJackson · 19/02/2022 04:38

I think you need to accept that there will ALWAYS be a reason for him to drink. He's had a shit day, he's had a great day, it's raining, it's sunny, he deserves it, he wants it, he's an adult that can do what he wants, it would have been his childhood pet hamsters bloody birthday.

He thinks that he's controlling the alcohol, but it is controlling him. I don't know anyone that drinks that much (or even actually less than that) that are happy.

I kind of agree with the mixed signals. If you don't want to drink then don't, but be prepared for him to still drink. you wouldn't make him drink bottles of orange juice because you don't want to do it alone or eat food he doesn't really like. Until he wants to stop drinking himself, there really is nothing you can do. I don't think the thought of losing you or your children is enough motivation for him, I'm sorry.

If you're bankrolling his alcohol then stop, you'll be amazed at how much money you have. He will probably whinge and moan and make you feel guilty, but I think you have to have an all or nothing approach to this yourself.
If he does decide not to drink get ready for the mood swings etc and I think he should tell his gp as it could be dangerous to stop drinking so much cold turkey. I also think as he's been like this since you've met, you don't know his full personality, and he probably doesn't either anymore. It may be better without alcohol but you'll never know unless he can get sober and stay sober, and that is hard, much harder than just opening another bottle Flowers

Bxuxtxtxexrxfxlxy · 19/02/2022 07:05

I'd just like to add that if he does give it up please encourage him to get help. Therapy. Councilling etc. My boyfriend quit drink but never dealt with the problems and like I said above it can cause a whole new set of problems. Anger. Guilt. Depression. Not knowing how to deal with feelings and emotions. My boyfriend can go from excited and loving to 3 days later depressed and pushing you away.