Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

My partner has locked his devices

75 replies

Biscuitybiscuit · 15/02/2022 20:48

My DP has locked his phone and laptop, I have been guilty in the past of snooping and found things I wasn't happy with. We are in our fifties and have both had trust issues but have overcome many hurdles in the past and love each other to bits, he treats me so well. Should I just accept whatever he looks at on his phone is his business.

OP posts:
Onthedunes · 15/02/2022 22:56

@Notsuchaniceguy

It's no surprise really that she is wary of your new phone lock if she previously had access to it.

You have separated so you either reassure her and want to get back together or you make things worse by acting defiantly.

Many couples have access to each others phones but dont look, but you have lost her trust and are expecting that trust back because you want to keep your conversations private that relate to your wife, by the sounds of it.

Stop discussing your marriage with others it might help.

Sonaftersonafterson · 15/02/2022 23:23

Fuck all this privacy intrusion rubbish if he has form for looking up things he shouldn't. Which he has. Trust your gut OP he has done this for a reason. Is he ok with you having the passcode or is it all a big secret... you're married, together, there shouldn't be any secrets!

Dyingtobefree · 15/02/2022 23:50

My ex always had his stuff locked and the ONLY time I went through it was when he admitted to cheating and I insisted he showed me his messages etc ... apart from that I never knew codes or whatever ... My phone is locked but if he had wanted to he could have looked through my phone at any time I wouldn't have had an issue .. cause I had nothing to hide .. plus, he knew I'd never do anything disloyal.

We did have one situation right at the beginning that was a HUGE red flag and he was in hospital and he didn't want me to see what was on his laptop so he shut it down and when I asked what he was he got REALLY defensive and wouldn't show me ... clearly was talking to other women ., but whatever, that was years ago and he showed his true colours again when he went on to cheat.

PaddleBoardingMomma · 16/02/2022 00:24

Personally find it really weird the word "snooping" is so prevalent on this thread, genuinely has never occurred to me in the 15 years I've been with DH. If I need to Google something and his phone happens to be closer than mine, I'll pick it up and Google on his! He does the same. If my phone pings a message and I'm busy with the baby I'll ask him to grab my phone and check who it was, he does the same if it happens to him... I thought everyone did this?! The thought of having passcodes the other doesn't know, or thinking he's snooping if he picks up my phone is just totally foreign to me.

AlDanvers · 16/02/2022 07:00

Op, was he looking at porn or was he texting someone else. Had those photos of women, been sent to him by the women? Because there's a huge difference. Point is grim but sexting other women crosses a huge line. And how long ago was it?

Personally, I keep my device locked. I have 2 phones. One personal and one work. The work one always has to be locked. My opinion is, that you either trust me or you don't. If you don't, it's over.

My exh snooped all the time. He didn't trust me for no reason other than his own paranoia. He had the codes and still got up in the middle of the night to go through everything. Still tracked me and my whereabouts. He never found anything because I wasn't up to anything. He did invade my privacy because of his own insecurities and I won't have that again.

Dp is fully aware that if he starts snopping, it's over.

But it's really difficult to tell what's happening here with you being so vague.

Woahthehorsey · 16/02/2022 07:04

@Biscuitybiscuit

Found the usual undressed women. I have body issues so this didn't help at all.
Porn or people he's knows in real life?

Locked devices is normal. Snooping and trust issue aren't.

Louisianagumbo · 16/02/2022 07:11

Stop discussing your marriage with others it might help.

I think you're being harsh. I think it's perfectly natural to discuss your relationship with family and friends, especially if you're going through a break up. How else do you process your thoughts if not by listening to the experience and advice of people you trust?

Riverlee · 16/02/2022 07:13

I can understand why you feel nervous about him suddenly locking his phone? What is he trying to hide?

Unless he’s got a interest in computer security and safety.

HeartsAndClubs · 16/02/2022 07:21

Stop discussing your marriage with others it might help. you’d better tell the women on the relationships board that then.

It’s normal to discuss your marriage if you’re going through a breakup.

The key here is what people do as opposed to what they can do.

My DP could have access to my phone if he wanted to. But if he started to read my emails etc I would want to know why.

My ex had access to my phone, would log in to look at any private messages/emails/texts and would even forward them to himself. Knew all my passwords, there was no reason for him not to.

But as soon as I found out he was snooping on my phone (one of the emails he sent to himself bounced back 😂)I changed every single one of my passwords as well as the passcode on my phone.

There was nothing on it, but it was the principle.

GreyCarpet · 16/02/2022 07:25

@Sonaftersonafterson

Fuck all this privacy intrusion rubbish if he has form for looking up things he shouldn't. Which he has. Trust your gut OP he has done this for a reason. Is he ok with you having the passcode or is it all a big secret... you're married, together, there shouldn't be any secrets!
The point is that, if you don't trust your partner, you perhaps shouldn't be in a relationship with them...

She is upset by this and has told me all her friends agree that it is highly suspicious and that they give their partners open access to their phones and so on. I believed her on that hence my surprise at this thread

My boyfriend and I have open access to each other's phones. Eg he has Spotify amd I don't so if I want to put some music on, I can use his phone. If one of us wants to check something on Google or whatever and our own phone is upstairs charging, them we will use the other's.

So, in that sense, we have open access to each other's phones. But snooping is an entirely different thing altogether. That's readingessages, searching history and actively looking for something.

If I felt I had to go looking for something, then I'd leave the relationship. I don't want to live like that. I don't want to invade someone's privacy.

I couldn't actually bring myself to do it even if I found nothing. Even if they never knew. I'd know I'd done it amd that would be enough.

SarahBellam · 16/02/2022 07:28

It doesn’t matter, does it? You don’t trust him. That’s the only relevant detail here.

maddy68 · 16/02/2022 07:29

Every device in our house is locked. And neither of us would consider snooping

If you feel the need to snoop why are you with him?

TheSpecialist · 16/02/2022 07:31

Some banking apps now force your phone to have a locked phone.

This is the same with Apple Pay etc. also, my work lets me use the outlook app on my own phone, this forces me to have a 6 digit password.

He could have also received an email from his bank about IT security. He may just be being more secure. Talk.

sammylady37 · 16/02/2022 07:36

@Sonaftersonafterson

Fuck all this privacy intrusion rubbish if he has form for looking up things he shouldn't. Which he has. Trust your gut OP he has done this for a reason. Is he ok with you having the passcode or is it all a big secret... you're married, together, there shouldn't be any secrets!
Yeah! Fuck this privacy lark! And not just his privacy but yours too! And your friends and family- everything they’ve ever texted you is fair game for someone else to snoop at because fuck this privacy intrusion.

Have some integrity, ffs.

Ladybugzrock · 16/02/2022 07:55

@Biscuitybiscuit so you went snooping and found something. Naked images right?

He’s now locked his devices and you don’t have passcodes.

Are these two things linked? What was the timescales? Have you asked for them? Is this a deliberate withholding or in response to it being more common now to lock devices.

Are you spidey senses tingling? How is he with his phone use? Any different?

PerditaPerdita · 16/02/2022 07:55

We never even thought to lock our devices with passwords. There was total trust.

Then one evening, after a new mutual acquaintance had come into out life through work, a woman who had had multiple affairs on her DH, an odd text message appeared in my DP's phone (in preview - phones not only weren't locked, but all messages flashed up on the screen as they arrived).

I saw it as his phone was on the kitchen island and we often, if a message or call came in, looked at it snd gave the phone to the other.

I said this is a weird message from her. Don't engage in private c versatile suggests her. She's clearly got a thing for you.

Result? He put codes on all his devices. She shamed him - said he was 'entitled to his privacy'. The path was set. The unquestioning trust between us was demolished bit by bit, with calculated, triumphant lies and manipulation. It was like a fresh field of snow for that female sociopath. Fun beyond her wildest dreams.

He had a breakdown. Turned on his own family. Turned to (posh, 'recreational') drugs (encouraged/introduced by her). Had psychotic episodes. His mental state was an expression of his inability to cope with the deception and fracturing of his family base. He falsely imprisoned and threatens our lives. We were 'saved' by her on FaceTime saying 'don't kill them, baby, or how will we see each other if you go to prison?'.

The trauma for us was indescribable. The exit route long and deeply damaging, snd has involved the effective demolition of my life and self. The repercussions wide through our families, mine in particular. He is now left in tatters, a broken liability in OCD playing on a loop of chronic, paranoid jealousy over me. Over the loss of me. Our home. Our little family. And I can't even speak of the impact on our child.

She, naturally, neatly side-stepped into a charmed post-divorce life with generous settlements, lunching out on the next instalment of her outrageous adventures with the foreign builder.

Do I think it's ok to have devices locked and material on a phone that would ruin our lives if my partner read it?

No.

I think that if you need to lock it, there's something very wrong.

You shouldn't mind if they look. You should protect their emotional stability and deserve their trust, and they yours.

What we had was how it should be. There was no snooping, or invasion of privacy, because we were happy to show each other everything of ourselves.

Some people don't get that.

PerditaPerdita · 16/02/2022 07:56

Sorry for typos 🤦‍♀️

PerditaPerdita · 16/02/2022 07:58

The corrected version!!! ...

We never even thought to lock our devices with passwords. There was total trust.

Then one evening, after a new mutual acquaintance had come into out life through work, a woman who had had multiple affairs on her DH, an odd text message appeared in my DP's phone (in preview - phones not only weren't locked, but all messages flashed up on the screen as they arrived).

I saw it as his phone was on the kitchen island and we often, if a message or call came in, looked at it and gave the phone to the other.

I said this is a weird message from her. I don't think you should engage in private conversation with her. She's clearly got a thing for you.

Result? He put codes on all his devices. She shamed him - said he was 'entitled to his privacy'. The path was set. The unquestioning trust between us was demolished bit by bit, with calculated, triumphant lies and manipulation. It was like a fresh field of snow for that female sociopath. Fun beyond her wildest dreams.

He had a breakdown. Turned on his own family. Turned to (posh, 'recreational') drugs (encouraged/introduced by her). Had psychotic episodes. His mental state was an expression of his inability to cope with the deception and fracturing of his family base. He falsely imprisoned and threatened our lives. We were 'saved' by her on FaceTime saying 'don't kill them, baby, or how will we see each other if you go to prison?'.

The trauma for us was indescribable. The exit route long and deeply damaging, and has involved the effective demolition of my life and self. The repercussions wide through our families, mine in particular. He is now left in tatters, a broken liability in OCD playing on a loop of chronic, paranoid jealousy over me. Over the loss of me. Our home. Our little family. And I can't even speak of the impact on our child.

She, naturally, neatly side-stepped into a charmed post-divorce life with generous settlements, lunching out on the next instalment of her outrageous adventures with the foreign builder.

Do I think it's ok to have devices locked and material on a phone that would ruin our lives if my partner read it?

No.

I think that if you need to lock it, there's something very wrong.

You shouldn't mind if they look. You should protect their emotional stability and deserve their trust, and they yours.

What we had was how it should be. There was no snooping, or invasion of privacy, because we were happy to show each other everything of ourselves.

Some people don't get that.

PurpleDaisies · 16/02/2022 08:01

Has he suddenly put new locks on his devices and was that promoted by your snooping?

Of course what he looks at is his business and of course you have to accept that. It sounds like you don’t trust him which is never a good thing in a relationship.

Fuck all this privacy intrusion rubbish if he has form for looking up things he shouldn't. Which he has. Trust your gut OP he has done this for a reason. Is he ok with you having the passcode or is it all a big secret... you're married, together, there shouldn't be any secrets!

If you’re married, there ought to be trust. We have each other’s passcodes but never used them to check up on each other. I would absolutely consider it an invasion of privacy if dh was going through my (boring) browsing history or reading my private emails.

ApolloandDaphne · 16/02/2022 08:01

I am married to a head of cybersecurity. Everything is locked in our house and we use two factor authentication for many things. It is only sensible.

AlDanvers · 16/02/2022 08:09

What we had was how it should be. There was no snooping, or invasion of privacy, because we were happy to show each other everything of ourselves.

But you would be also showing everything of other people's. Not sure about you, but I have friends that will speak over text and dp has no right to know what they are confiding in me.

Your case is quite extreme and I am very sorry for what happened to you and your family. But, please don't forget, looking at devices and private conversations and tracking are ways many of other people have been abused.

But also, showing all of yourselves to eachother, didn't stop him doing what he did. Being able to see someone's phone is not definitive proof of wether you can trust someone or not, or wether they will betray that trust or not.

Some of us, prefer trust not to be based on our mobile phones. But also, I have a work phone. Dp absolutely can not have access to it. So surely, if he didn't trust me and though a phone would prove it, he would just believe it was all on my work phone?

Allowing him access to my private phone wouldn't really fix the issue, protect his mental health or provide emotional stability.

Nietzschethehiker · 16/02/2022 08:29

This is going to sound harsh but your own body issues do not give you licence to be controlling. I am sorry because they are truly hard but if you are reliant on the reassurance from him over them you are never going to be satisfied.

Consider this, if you heard a female friend had a male partner who expected them not to lock their phone and only look at what made the partner feel comfortable what would you say? Most people would instantly see this as controlling.

Ladybugzrock · 16/02/2022 08:29

@PerditaPerdita I’m so so sorry, so much of your story resonated Flowers

When it comes to transparency and snooping on this thread I think we’re confusing the two. Transparency is you being open with your devices. Snooping is not the same.

Many MANY couple have transparency. Access to each other’s devices, to load videos for children, use maps, take photos etc.

Snooping is deliberately looking for something.

When this unsaid dynamic is suddenly changed that is a concern. And does need discussing, watching and taking seriously.

Sometimes however the snooping comes with other just weird spidey senses, and your need for personal safety, sexual, physical, mental and emotional kicks in. So someone who has never snooped finds something devastating.

Hen2018 · 16/02/2022 08:40

How do you know his devices are locked?

I don’t think I know anyone whose devices AREN’T locked.

Anothergreatday · 16/02/2022 08:52

@Biscuitybiscuit

Found the usual undressed women. I have body issues so this didn't help at all.
Is porn a dealbreaker in your relationship . Have you discussed it before ?