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End of my tether with DD (20) and having a baby in 2 days

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DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 08:46

Not sure really where the right topic for this is. Posting in desperation and hoping there might be some sage advice.

DD is 20, nearly 21. Lovely as a young child, did well at school, got great GCSEs. All was great until she went to sixth form college, got in with the wrong crowd, ended up doing drugs, self-harming, skipping college, got glandular fever on top and spectacularly failed her A-levels. Throughout this we paid for therapy, tried to get her motivated to do something in life and generally had a miserable few years.

At 18 we bought her a one-way ticket to Australia to try and get her in a new headspace, away from the twatty people she was hanging out with and to give her new opportunities. She was out there for nearly two years. Most of which was spent partying - no drugs, just massive amounts of alcohol. I constantly bailed her out each time she had to move apartment or needed money for travel etc - probably to the overall tune of around £15,000.

Covid finally hit Sydney and brought about a lockdown which meant she came home in the summer. Still went out partying a lot once home, still drinking massive amounts when she did go out.

I should add that she's worked for years, in hospitality, earning minimum wage but has always had a job since she was 14.

She went to London in the autumn to start a marketing degree. No idea why as she doesn't like studying. Nevertheless I paid the deposit and first term's rent (student loan barely covered a month's rent). She spent her student loan of £2k in 2 weeks (Ubers and booze) and dropped out and left the course. Found a house share, found a job, is paying back the student loan company at £40 a month so will be paying off her debt for years to come.

Has decided she doesn't want to be in London and wants to come back home, do a different course here in the autumn and live at home for a few months before getting a house share with friends. She's supposed to move back next weekend.

Last week she phoned me in hysterics, saying how depressed she was, how lonely, how she'd started self-harming again. I suggested she come back home, stay safe, find a doctor etc. Instead she's stayed in London, spent the whole weekend out drinking with a friend and has now gone AWOL. She refuses to listen to me about her alcohol consumption - she must be drinking 50 units a week as she's out at least 3 or 4 nights a week. She won't do anything I suggest to alleviate depression (eating well, exercise, stopping smoking, stopping drinking). She has no plans in life, no savings, very little responsibility for her actions and is very good at charming her way through life and getting other people to run around after her.

I feel a total failure as a parent and massively guilty that I've not been a good parent to her. I had her at 19, single parent - her father had no role in her life and never paid a penny in child support. I had a disastrous short marriage when she was 8 and split up with him shortly after. I then got very badly depressed when she was 14 and was very ill for months which caused DD massive worry. I was definitely too liberal and open as a parent and let her smoke with friends in the garden and didn't go ballistic when she started doing drugs, on the basis that I'd done similar as a teenager but always got straight As and dabbling in drugs had no effect on me.

I got together with DP six years ago. She and DP get on very well - she adores him and vice versa. She's been involved in our wedding planning and was very happy about the baby until the last few weeks when she's had a meltdown about what this means for her in the family and the fact her biological father is such a useless wanker.

DD and I are extremely close - we speak daily. But her attitude and selfishness are driving me up the wall. I'm 39 weeks' pregnant, baby being delivered in 2 days (section) and I'm here not knowing where DD is, if her phone has been lost (again), how hungover and depressed she'll be as and when she finally appears, nor what the hell she's doing with her life. I wish more than anything that she'd join the Navy and have them get her on the straight and narrow. I want her to stop drinking, sort her life out and listen to me instead of being in this Groundhog Day spiral.

Judging by her last online status she's most likely lost or broken her phone. Which will be maybe the 6th broken/lost phone in 4 years. I'm sitting here in tears, worrying about her. If I'd gone into labour overnight she'd be none the wiser.

She needs to find a job when she comes back home. She'd be excellent at sales or estate agency - but she has no driving licence as refused to learn at 17, despite us buying her a car, and thus a lot of jobs she's ineligible for. She could have got straight As at A-level and had various career options but instead is limited by her poor grades.

I should be here getting ready to meet my newborn and instead am just worrying about DD, if she's alive, if she's been mugged, if her phone is lost, what mood she'll be in and what she's going to do in life.

I just can't see the wood for the trees. I feel so bad that she didn't have a traditional, conventional upbringing owing to my age and issues. I worry she's inherited my depression and anxiety. But I don't know what to do. I want to see her settled, successful and happy. But how on earth does that happen?

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Katyrosebug · 14/02/2022 08:51

You need to take a step back, she's an adult and from the sounds of it your currently enabling her. She'll never learn tk be responsible if you bail her out and just throw money at the situation all the time

TheAugusta · 14/02/2022 09:05

Is she still under a doctor and being treated for depression? I feel for you all. It’s a really tough time for you, especially with your baby imminent, but it sounds like she’s having a really tough time too and advice like healthy eating etc isn’t enough to address it.

AlternativelyWired · 14/02/2022 09:11

Although I know from experience that it's very difficult you need to step back and concentrate on you and your baby. Stop bailing her out as otherwise she'll have no reason to grow up and deal with things herself. She's getting into a mess knowing you will bail her out. If she didn't have the bank of mum to fall back on then she'd think twice about what she's doing. Well, hopefully. 20 is still very young but she was independent enough to go to Australia for years so she's capable of looking after herself here too. When you next see her you need to have a frank discussion about how things will be going forward. She's had a tough few teenage years but she needs to accept her past and move forward.

DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 09:11

@TheAugusta - no, she hasn't seen a doctor. She's not registered with one in London and until she comes back here she can't easily see anyone. Her moods spiral very rapidly so it's hard to know if it's depression or a type of bipolar (or neither). But everything she does just exacerbates the situation. Drinking 50 units a week and doing no exercise and eating badly won't help anyone but she won't listen or adapt. I'm just banging my head against a brick wall.

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DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 09:18

@AlternativelyWired I'm with you apart from my fears about her mental health. I don't know how much is drama, how much she is genuinely depressed and suicidal and whether by trying a tough love approach I make things worse.

In some ways I was very similar to DD at that age in terms of having poor mental health and not really considering anyone else like my mother - I just worried about myself and DD. But, despite being young and a single mother and being fucked up, I always had a focus and stuck to it. I went to university with DD in tow when I was 20 and she was 16 months. I did my degree, master's, law school and then went into Magic Circle and have worked full time and earned well on the basis that I knew I needed a well paid job to give DD the best opportunities.

DD has no focus. She says she thinks she has ADHD but I've never seen any evidence of this. She'll say she wants to do something but then won't pursue it or will drop out or won't work for it, which is totally different to me.

I have so much guilt that she didn't have a typical, 'traditional' upbringing with two parents and that she has been through a lot of shit so I do probably over-compensate.

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DelphiniumBlue · 14/02/2022 09:32

You being about to give birth will bring up all sorts of conflicting thoughts for her, but at 20/21 she's old enough to cope with them, maybe with help from a counsellor.
You being about to give birth puts you in a vulnerable position, and this is understandably a very stressful time for you.
However you seem to have had some very strange reactions to problems previously.. your daughter wasn't coping so you bought her a one way ticket to Australia? How did she manage during lockdown- an 18 yer old isolated abroad by herself?
You bought her a car even though she couldn't drive- what for ? That seems to be more for you than her.
What jobs do you think she won't be able to do if she can't drive? Why do you think she won't learn when she's ready? You seem really over-involved as far as I can see. She failed her A levels 2 years ago, and has been working since, in fact you say she's always worked. I think it might be sensible to step back and let her find her own way.
She is drinking a lot, but it's hard to tell if it's different from how lots of youngsters her age drink. 50 units a week is about 4 bottles of wine, so although more than recommended, probably not more than a lot of students. If she is living in London without a car, then she is probably walking a fair amount, and if she works in hospitality she is probably on her feet a lot. So she will be getting some exercise just through her daily lifestyle. Smoking isn't great, but it's not going to affect her depression.
I think you need to back off and let her make her choices and decisions.
Obviously you know her best, but you can't control everything she does, and there's no point worrying over it.
If you provide her with a safe space when she needs it , and a listening ear to help her talk through her worries, you'll be supporting her in the best way. You can do that even with a new baby.
Be prepared for her to play up more until she realises that you will always be there for her - that doesn't mean throwing money at the situation, but just listening and signposting help.

Greygreenblue · 14/02/2022 09:36

You really really need to stop enabling this behaviour. You may be trying to help her but you’re enabling her. Buying her things (a car that she won’t use FFS), sending her on across the world trips, bailing her out every time she gets into financial trouble. Letting her convince you to pay her rent when she has both a job and student loans. Having you at her beck and call ready to deal each fresh new crisis for her.

It is time to let her sort herself out. She’s an adult.

You have a new baby now and they need to be your focus.

formalineadeline · 14/02/2022 09:39

I worry she's inherited my depression and anxiety.

No, she's has a traumatic childhood and is suffering the effects. That wasn't malicious or deliberate on your part but is what you have clearly described. It's beyond me how you could describe that chain of events and think it's unconnected.

You need to stop viewing her as a "badly behaved failure" and start viewing her as a traumatised young person using maladaptive coping strategies.

It's quite obvious she's drinking to cope with her feelings - lecturing her and telling her to stop isn't going to change anything. The underling cause needs to be addressed and she may not be ready for that yet.

Start by changing your own mindset and your own behaviour. For example, listening without judgement instead of lecturing and instructing.

formalineadeline · 14/02/2022 09:41

I also agree that you throwing money at her all the time is clearly far more about your own needs than hers. It's not helpful and I think it's a bit rich of you to (yet again) blame her for the natural consequences of your inappropriate behaviour.

ThisTownAintBigEnoughForBoth · 14/02/2022 09:53

I know MN is infamous for armchair diagnoses, but this does ring bells for me with undiagnosed ADHD/ASD. I completely screwed up my life for years as a young woman in the same way your dd is. I didn't have the skills to cope with adult life and my undiagnosed ASD made me miserable, anxious, vulnerable, prone to bad decisions, dependent on alcohol to cope, self-harming, terrible with money. The early academic achievements and then the utter failure to stick with anything is a common pattern with ASD/ADHD girls too. And then the constant lost / broken phones is another familiar story. Obviously I am drawing these aspects together to make a pattern and I could be totally wrong, but there are so many pointers for neurodivergence here, I would definitely give it some serious thought.

WonderingFree · 14/02/2022 09:54

All your maternal instincts are gettting understandably jumbled and I can read how much stress you are feeling.

My advice is to focus on what you can do right here and now not on the longer term issues - now is not the time. You can’t solve your daughters life so park that for now. What can you do? You are worried about your daughters welfare - is there someone you can phone to check on her? And when she does reappear in your life don’t judge her, don’t advise her, don’t tell her what she’s doing wrong tell her about all her brilliant attributes - she sounds charismatic and adventurous and brave - and just be there.

You can give your life boundaries - how long will your daughter stay with you for? How much money can you afford to support her if anything at all? It doesn’t sound like she contributes to your mental well-being and you need to protect that in order to look after your baby.

Take it slow. Focus on what you want. Be clear about boundaries with your daughter. Look after yourself and your new baby.

DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 09:57

I agree I'm probably over-involved. Despite my frustration we're extremely close. Talk every day, often multiple times a day. So it's very hard to somehow take a step back, particularly if she's going to be living back home again from next weekend. It's also extremely hard watching her make poor decisions and suffering the fall out, when it seems so clear to me how she could avoid going back to square one again and again.

I'm also highly anxious about anything happening to her which is why the potential of another lost phone is the nail in the coffin today. The idea that I can't contact her or see when she was last active is an absolute head-fuck for me. Yes, that's my issue, but not what I need right now when I'm about to give birth.

Re: car and driving. In my view a driving license is a necessity in life and akin to being able to swim. A non-negotiable. If she had a licence she could do nannying, estate agency, other sales jobs that require driving. All of which she'd be good at but can't do because she refused to learn to drive.

Australia was to try and get her a change of scene and away from the fuckwits she was hanging out with at home. Which worked to an extent but now she's back we have the same issues rearing their heads, albeit she thankfully doesn't do drugs anymore, just drinks.

I just want her to be on a path forwards, with a plan, and achieving things and being happy and taking responsibility for her life as an adult. Don't know if CBT would help her, or medication, or what to do for the best.

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SalsaLove · 14/02/2022 10:02

This sounds so much like me. Wandering around, never completing a course, reckless behaviour. I ve only now been diagnosed with ADHD, and it’s been a massive relief. Is that a possibility for your daughter?

Purplewithred · 14/02/2022 10:02

I wouldn't dismiss the ADHD thought - from what I understand short-termism, no sense of satisfaction or drive to complete tasks, and inability to take consequences of behaviour into account are very much part of ADHD. Not sure if that helps at all though.

Feeling guilty and wanting to fix everything for her are completely natural responses, but they aren't healthy for her, for you, for your new baby or your marriage. Lots of good advice above. Good luck!

ivykaty44 · 14/02/2022 10:03

You need to take a step back, she's an adult and from the sounds of it your currently enabling her. She'll never learn tk be responsible if you bail her out and just throw money at the situation all the time

This^

What good is worrying doing you? If you go into Labour and she doesn’t know - you’ll still have the baby, if she isn’t aware that will be on her, not you

Back away a little and look after you and the baby
Your other dd will be fine, she has been until now and if you stop throwing money at her she’ll still be fine

ittakes2 · 14/02/2022 10:08

Do you think she might have inattentive ADHD?
www.iadhd.org/what-is-inattentive-adhd

DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 10:09

@ThisTownAintBigEnoughForBoth could you tell me more about your ADHD?

I'm absolutely sure that DD isn't on the ASD spectrum. But maybe ADHD, though it doesn't seem likely to me? But then perhaps I don't know enough about it?

DD has no issue with time management - she's always worked, never been late for work, is focused at work, takes the initiative, gets tasks done and gets good feedback from bosses. She looks around as to what needs doing and makes sure it's done. She likes jobs where she's busy, on her feet and interacting with people all day. She wouldn't want to work at a desk or in an office environment.

She was always diligent at school up to GCSE and there was never any suggestion from teachers that she was distracted or inattentive. She always met deadlines and was always organised. It's only been since she was 16 that things have gone south.

I'm pretty poor at being emotionally available and supportive. I'm practical and a problem solver - I look to try and fix things. I'm pragmatic and don't like talking about feelings. DP is much better than me at listening and being emotionally available. Which probably doesn't help DD.

And I feel so bad for my poor newborn who's bumping around in me and arriving Wednesday and has a mother in tears about her older sister. Just sobbed on poor DP this morning when we're supposed to be enjoying Valentine's Day.

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RJnomore1 · 14/02/2022 10:21

You need to take a MASSIVE step back. You are far too over involved (trying to over compensate?) and as a result she’s never had to deal with the impacts of her decisions so of course she will keep on doing the same things secure in the knowledge mummy will pick up the pieces and throw money at the problem.

You are about to have a new baby and your daughter is an adult. You must put your focus on the baby. I’d seriously consider letting her move in with you again unless she’s going to change. I’ve actually no issue with her drinking and partying, most grow out of it, but she can’t be acting like that in your home with a brand new baby.

For the record I have a 22 year old who has a similar personality but is now starting to show signs of growing out of it slowly. She knows I’m always here and I do support her but she also has to face the consequences of her actions.

RJnomore1 · 14/02/2022 10:22

Sorry seriously RE consider as in, no.

IheartJKRowling · 14/02/2022 10:30

You talk about the car and jobs she could do if she passed her test. She doesn't want to do any of those jobs, she doesn't want to drive, you want her to drive. One of my adult children drives, one doesn't, his life and career opportunities haven't been curtailed by having no driving licence. Stop trying to arrange her life how you want it to be, she's an adult. Things that are important to you are not important to her. Support her emotionally and stop seeing her as a problem that throwing money at can fix, you tried that, it hasn't worked.

DappledOliveGroves · 14/02/2022 10:39

@IheartJKRowling I agree nothing's worked, but what are the next steps?

If I leave her to her own devices she has no money, nowhere to live and no job. She quit her job in London and has to move out of her house share on Saturday. If she doesn't move back here then where will she go? I tried the tough love whilst she was in Australia - she got a job as a stripper and did Only Fans. She earned a fortune and blew the lot on partying. If I thought she was truly happy in any of these life choices then fine - but she isn't. Having her sob down the phone that she's suicidal makes it extremely difficult to take a step backwards.

At her age I had an 18 month old baby, lived in my own place and was doing a degree. My mother certainly helped me and bailed me out many times but I at least had a path that I stuck to. I just don't know how to help DD or what's best. I don't want to enable her but don't want her to spiral into self harm and suicidal thoughts.

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Marvellousmadness · 14/02/2022 10:41

Tbh you have enabled this behaviour for YEARS. Time to step back. And be there only for moral support. From a distance.

MumUndone · 14/02/2022 10:41

Borderline Personality Disorder?

Beamur · 14/02/2022 10:44

I'm not an expert by any means - but what you say about your DD might suggest ADHD. People with it can sometimes be extremely focused on certain tasks but really struggle with others.
She's probably feeling very anxious about her place in your family right now, despite you obviously being a caring and involved Mum. Unfortunately you can't easily fix that.

She will be in contact again once she's sorted out a phone.
Maybe once things have calmed down a bit, talk through the possibility of getting a diagnosis. It sounds like you would be in a position to help pay for that, which would speed it along. I think I'm right in saying medication is available which can help.
She is a different person to you though and the way she lives and makes her way in the world will be different.
Good luck with the new baby.

Juliauns91 · 14/02/2022 10:45

You tried the classic "geographical cure" by sending her to Australia.

It didn't work and it never will. Wherever she is in the world, she will seek out people who do what she wants to do. She sounds totally lost and a lot of the behaviour sounds like a lack of boundaries and abandonment by her father.

As for the units of alcohol and you saying you know all about her life, I wouldn't be so sure. You only know what she chooses to tell you.
From her point of view, a new family is about to arrive - a half sibling of a completely different generation whose father is not a relative of hers. She might feel that she is being totally replaced and what little security she had is going to go completely.

It won't work having her in your house with a new baby while your grown up daughter is out getting drunk and lurching from one failed project to another. You will end up tattered to shreds.

She will need her own place. If you are in a city there are some great hostel projects for women with all sorts of facilities and support included.

Good luck