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What do I do now?

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Tears11 · 01/02/2022 18:26

Relationship with an ex drinker. Met him a few months after he quit. We've been together over a year now and it's been up and down. Highs and lows. I know that you are supposed to leave when things are not right but I guess it's been abit confusing for me and alot of stuff I'd need to explain than I feel I could possibly. I know I need to be completely honest on this post and I would appreciate people being kind as I'm currently sat in tears feeling pretty upset.

He has leant on me alot. This has been gradual. He was working when we met. Brilliant money. He was confident and painting himself as someone perfect for me. Within days he started mentioning his ex and planting seeds into My head. He would keep in touch with her and insist they were mates. He originally made out the split was mutual. Everything was great.

Overtime he told me about his depression and struggle with drink. But he was working and sorted. His stories didn't always add up looking back. He had this woman that he'd had a brief fling with after his ex that still harassed him. But I later found out he was still messaging her.

Throughout our relationship he would say things like. You'd look nice with shorter hair. Why don't you curl your hair. You suit a ponytail. Telling me what colours I suit etc.

Around 6 months into our relationship his back got so bad he had to quit working. I ofcourse wanted to support him and lent him money for the first month. Which he paid back. He isn't faking this. I've seen his scans. It's severe. It's chronic. He is going to need more operations. For 6 months he borrowed my money and paid me back on his universal credit days. Fair enough. He has tried Hard to get the GPS to help. He's had pip reject him so he's now appealing. I've chosen to buy his shopping and in return he's cooked for me alot. We've agreed he will give me some money when he returns to work for this. I buy his dog food.

Whilst he's been off work his depression has kicked in. He's been suicidal in the past. I've dealt with all his forms and phone calls with councils, charities, insurance companies etc. He's always shown appreciation and said he just freezes up with these things.

In 6 months as extras I've often picked him up toiletries. I got him a bracelet for Christmas even though he couldn't afford to get me anything. I've bought toys for his dog. I've bought little bits and bobs for him like candles and household stuff. I've lent him my tablet when his tele broke.

Over the last few months I've noticed a pattern in him screwing up my head. He plants little things in my mind. He's very clever at little stories of women he could have or women that have been inappropriate online. He points out attractive people and plays dumb when you bring up women he's mentioned in the past.

This last week I've found my fire I guess. I lost my patience about his ex. I told him I was absolutely sick to death of xyz and hearing about her. He told me this week she actually dumped him. Another lie. Another woman he claims was inappropriate with him saw us Sunday and absolutely went bright red and could barely talk. I asked him if something had happened in the past. He absolutely blew off.

Then today he asked me why I always dress in the same style. I have 8 pairs of jeggings in various shades of blue, black and grey. Some are ripped or have certain patterns. I wear them with a variety of jumpers or tops. I buy new tops most months. I asked him what he meant. He said don't you ever wear skirts or jeans. Why are you not confident. I told him I always try and look nice and we never go anywhere for me to even consider dressing up. I said perhaps your Ex had loads of different clothes but I have children and this is my style and budget. He walked out his house screaming at me that he wanted me gone when I got back.

I got my things and came back to my flat. He's blocked me on Facebook and sent Me a few blunt messages trying to tell me I'm wrong and I twist his head and I argue with myself like a little girl.

I know the obvious. But I need some help to understand and do the right thing. He is likely to talk to me again tomorrow as he relies on me. My heads struggling to find the strength to get out this situation. I'm genuinely frightened of him not being around as he gives me alot of love and care aswel. I'm stuck in a cycle of emotional abuse and don't know how to find the strength to stop.

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bluebell34567 · 01/02/2022 21:59

@Moretodo

He is abusing you. The only thing stopping you getting away is you.

He has done a number on you, has you caring for him and somehow lording it as if he's better than you.

Accusing you of being controlling, to negotiate you down to zero, so you can't say anything about anything.

Triangulating you with other women. Manipulating you.

He is feeding on your emotional reaction.

He is using manipulative exploitative tactics on you.

You have known this guy six months.
Why are you putting him above you?
Can you see how unhealthy it is? It's crazy.

He has blocked you, but you know he will be back.
Come on, this guy is a fucking jerk.

Well done for posting.
Block him.
Spend all your time now directing your head to things that will aid you.

You are on a dark path, he is unpicking you and dismantling you while you "help him".

Wake up.

absolutely agree.

block him on everything and never talk to him again. he will destroy you.

TheFoundation · 01/02/2022 21:59

You need to see the correlation between the fact that you offer him so much care and support, and you feel that if you weren't with him, you would lose the care and support you need.

Caring for him has undermined your ability to support yourself, emotionally, because you, like the rest of us, only have so much to give.

Try to look at it from the point of view of working out what you need and want in your life. Make a list, write it all down, how you feel, how you wish things were, what sort of partner you wish you had, what your dream life would be like. Start looking forward to things in the future, and start taking steps towards them.

This isn't about your relationship or your partner. Those are just things that are in the way of your big picture. Work out what would make you happy and fulfilled. Work out what you need to feel safe, and I mean properly safe, not the nauseating, insecure version of safe that he offers you. Start working towards those things. Let the big picture of your life, your happiness, dwarf the fact that you need to leave him. Sure, you will need to do that, but you have o much else to do that'll keep you busy and focused.

This is about you, and how you work towards your future. It's your responsibility. You're an adult; you have to do things that make you happy, and avoid things that make you feel crap. It's basic life-design.

bluebell34567 · 01/02/2022 21:59

and this will have negative impact on your children, too. you have to think of them.

bluebell34567 · 01/02/2022 22:03

he may start drinking again, beware op. keep well away.

Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:06

Thank you for the responses.
I don't know why I would be co dependent as I grew up with 2 parents that were not addicts or anything. My mum was rubbish at emotional support though and I don't feel I got the warmth and loving bond others share with their mums.

I don't know what it is. I met him over a year ago now. My relationship had ended with my children's dad and I remember him feeling like a breath of fresh air and I originally saw things in him I really liked. One of those things was he was a man who worked outdoors and knew how to do alot of jobs my ex couldn't do. I saw him as masculine and able to protect as he is also 15 years older.

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm anything special. But I have always worn basic makeup. Straightened my hair. Used perfume and had new bits to wear as and when. I thought I was stylish enough. I get Little bits of attention on Facebook occasionally and I know he doesn't like this. When we've rowed over his ex he's brought that up. Even though I always ignore and he has 100% of my focus.

I've not introduced him to my kids. Because I've never felt ready or like he's shown me any consistency.

I have been involved with him over a year but it was 6 months ago he started leaning on me financially. I've definitely tried to make his life easier and tried to give him little things to pick him up. Purely out of love because he's on his arse so to speak.

I have been convinced its emotional abuse but I've tried to understand he's not long sober. I've put stuff down to him healing. But I'm aware now he's being cruel. Last week at 4am he ended up storming out for a walk because I wanted to discuss our relationship. One part of that was him having single on his Facebook and no mention ever of me. He blew off and went out for a walk.

He makes me feel like a silly little over thinker that needs to improve. He says I need more confidence too. I think throughout our relationship he's been very fixated on hair, clothes and style. It's draining hearing him ask me why I don't do xyz with my appearance. He told me earlier that I over reacted over a question. I just had no energy to even try and say how would you feel if I said the same to you. It feels like I'm not allowed to have Any feelings.

Its ofcourse made me wonder if he's trying to mold me into his ex or something.

I've Been thinking alot tonight about how I need to accept I love him. I'm caring so I want him sorted. But those feelings can't block the truth or reality anymore.

I just want to explain again that I understand what I should do. But something is keeping me in this circle and I don't know how to truly stop and not allow him to say rhe right thing to go back. I guess he's managed to convince me that I'm the issue somehow and I do worry sometimes it's just me.

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TheFoundation · 01/02/2022 22:11

I have been convinced its emotional abuse but I've tried to understand he's not long sober

If you spot abuse, there's no reasoning or excusing or understanding you have to do. It doesn't matter if someone is abusing you because they were routinely abused as a child themselves, even: the simple fact is that they are abusing you, and, since you can't change them, you have to take responsibility for removing the abuse from your life by leaving the relationship.

There is no good reason for abuse. None. There is no excuse. If there are things that have happened in his past that he feels make him behave the way he does, then it's his responsibility to stay away from anybody he might be tempted to treat badly, whilst seeking treatment. But he's not doing that, is he.

Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:13

@TheFoundation

Very true and thank you. Your comment is making me think. This is exactly what I need. I need help breaking it all down.

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ColourMeExhausted · 01/02/2022 22:13

It's not you. It's 100% him. He has messed with your head. You sound so lovely and deserve much more than this. Refer to this thread whenever you feel he's trying to worm his way back in. Your life will ultimately be better without him in it, even though I know it doesn't feel like that right now.

TheFoundation · 01/02/2022 22:18

He makes me feel like a silly little over thinker that needs to improve

Does anybody else in your life make you feel this way? It can be quite useful to think through your friends, and how they make you feel.

Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:21

Thank you. I can't explain the constant highs and lows. The silent treatment. The punishments. The blocking me like a naughty girl then unblocking me and asking for money. Just to get away from the egg shells and sadness I give him the money and he warms up again. He cooks me dinner. Tells me I'm naturally pretty. Says he's so thankful for what I do. That he sleeps better when I'm there.

He makes me walk away from the road so I'm safe. He carries my bags. But when he's mad at me like today he leaves me to walk 3 miles alone. Suddenly I'm not important to him..

He's never touched me but said to me today that if I wasn't gone when he gets home he will push me out the door.

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Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:22

@TheFoundation

My mum makes me feel small and useless. That's a whole other story. But yes. I don't feel myself with her.

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TheFoundation · 01/02/2022 22:26

So that's where you've learned that this is what love looks like. It's not a whole other story at all. Your mum trained you to be exactly the right person to receive his abuse. This is why it isn't your fault, and why you mustn't blame yourself. Fault and blame look backwards, and in your past, your mum was at fault and to blame; not you. All you've done is learn that people who love you treat you badly, and the best thing to do is to try to be nice, and stick around, because... well, you couldn't leave your mum, could you, when you were little.

You can break this cycle. Don't worry.

Bonbon21 · 01/02/2022 22:29

If you cant be strong and break this relationship for yourself.... do it for your kids... be a role model for them... show them that you dont get messed around by this or any other man.... that this is not a good relationship.. not how it should be...
They must miss their Mum... be their Mum... concentrate on that...
This is only a man... and not a very good man... there will be another along in a while... but raise your standards .... for your own sake as well as the kids'.

Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:35

Maybe you are right. Clearly I don't know my self worth and I'm waiting for things to start or happen that probably don't exist. Like him going back to work isn't going to mean suddenly he will be happy and able to buy a house and be positive.

I will certainly try my hardest for my kids..I'm laid In bed trying to fall asleep and I keep jolting awake thinking about him saying he will push me out the door etc.

I was in hospital 2 months ago I needed blood transfusions and I'm not anywhere near better and have further treatment coming up. Sometimes I think about that too and how he still puts stress onto me.

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Tears11 · 01/02/2022 22:36

I think you are right too. I bet my kids have missed me being happy and present.

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SortingItOut · 02/02/2022 06:31

I'm sorry you didn't have the childhood that every child should have. My parents were similar, no one showed any emotion at all, we all learned to deal with our own emotions which also isnt healthy.
I blame my childhood for being the reason I ended up in an emotionally abusive marriage (which I only realised after I left)

I found the book Mr Unavailable and the Fallback girl a really interesting and helpful book.
I now know that I am a typical rescuer/Florence (Nightingale) and I chose my husband because he needed rescuing and because I'm emotionally unavailable (even though I didn't know that until I read the book).

It is hard to walk away, I thought we could stay friends but it went so far wrong I wish we had split completely early on (we did have a DD to consider though)

Good luck

Tears11 · 02/02/2022 06:42

It's the strangest thing. I know I feel love and affection with my children and I show it. I've always picked up easily on people lying or storied changing. I've noticed throughout the relationship how allover the place he seems with many things.i dated a guy like him as a teenager. He used to talk to girls behind my back. I spent most of my relationship feeling like some sort of detective trying to find out truths. In the end I snapped emotionally when yet another woman was texting him and I ended it. I never expected I'd be dealing with a 48 year old who hadn't got women out his system yet.

I keep thinking about how obsessed he is with clothes and hair. He's hated himself and has had massive confidence issues. He has always said I gave him some confidence back. I remember when we met he was so skinny. But he's been eating alot with me. He's gained a little weight and looks well. We seem to discuss his body and wardrobe alot. He has 3 pairs of diesel jeans. 2 pairs of shorts. Aload of football tops and a few branded t shirts and hooded tops. 4 pairs of trainers which he keeps clean. But he spends alot of time in a pair of addidas tracksuit bottoms. I keep thinking to myself he doesn't have loads of different styles and stuff. So why does he think as a woman I should be dressed in different ways with different hair styles all the time.
Is he trying to put me down because he knows he's got a younger woman and doesn't want me confident. Or is he putting me down because he wants Me to be more like an ideal woman he has in his head

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Tyredofallthis1 · 02/02/2022 06:47

It is hard. That sort of abuse makes you so grateful for intermittent praise, intermittant warmth, that you become absolutely desperate. fwiw, slot machines use the same model to get people addicted. It's not a fault in you, it's all about the flaws and choices in him.

All those little chips away make it harder to leave and harder to believe that anyone else could even want you. This keeps you attached to him as he absolutely needs you far more than you need him.

You are kind and wonderful person. That is one reason why he found it so easy to abuse you. I don't have brilliant ideas about how to break it, but I hope that some reassurance that there is nothing wrong with you apart from the bad luck to be found by this guy helps.

Perhaps you might like to think about how you would be after five years of this, and how it would affect your kids? Would you want him to talk to your kids that way? Would thinking about that help?

TracyMosby · 02/02/2022 06:47

You absolutely need to block him. You do not yet have the strength to deal with his attempts to reel you back

newbiename · 02/02/2022 06:59

Well he sounds vile. You sound so kind he's taking advantage. Can you do the Freedom programme. Do you have anyone you can talk to in real life who can talk to you if you're waivering ?
Good luck

SortingItOut · 02/02/2022 07:07

So why does he think as a woman I should be dressed in different ways with different hair styles all the time. Is he trying to put me down because he knows he's got a younger woman and doesn't want me confident

You've got it in one, he doesn't really care about your style or hair, he wants to take away the self confidence you have so you dont think you can do better than him.
This is his insecurity and lack of confidence at play so he has to bring you down. Same as mentioning lots of women,he is trying to bolster his ego.

Tears11 · 02/02/2022 07:33

Thank you. I'm finding so much comfort in the replies. I didn't know what to expect. He text me a moody message an hour ago saying he's woke with a banging head. No kisses or anything. He's doing the usual. I'll respond with cold blunt messages and no affection. I guess if he was finished with me for good he wouldn't text back at all. Or he'd text to say we were done. So this is how the next cycle starts.

This is the part I get stuck at everytime and I'm aware of this. I need to keep busy today and not be responding to cruel short empty messages.

I would do anything at this stage to just have people reminding me and helping me see clear. That's why I really appreciate the replies on here. I have felt aware of it for a long time but yesterday I finally thought this behaviour is cruel and abusive. This isn't me making mistakes and deserving it. I ask him about the subjects I mention because he has on purpose created doubt and fear in my mind.

I wrote a list last night of why I shouldn't be with him. It became so long when I wrote down all the comments that have made me not feel enough. All the silent treatment. The punishments I've taken to then be asked for help or money. He's made me feel caught up in his ex and never even locked her photos on fb or anything to show me he had no emotion there anymore. He's just been cruel. When something is hurting me he never does the right thing.

When he compliments me he throws in an insult after. So yesterday he said I like those blue jeggins. Then he proceeded to say they are better than those black ones you wear. Then he continued to say why don't you wear skirts and jeans etc. So my heads absorbing that and I don't know how to react to him. The compliment was instantly wiped out by him insulting me straight after. It was only a month ago he watched me straightening my hair and asked if I had curlers. I said I do have them but I don't have time for curling my hair often. Plus it bugs me having it thick and curly. He said oh other women I know use those things. He said I just wondered why you always do yours straight. So I said I think all women style it how they like it and its that simple. I hate having my hair up and he's always on about that too. I sometimes tie it up to walk places as its winter then I'll take it down when I get to his. He will say why have you taken your bobble out. It looks nice tied back. I just find it too obsessive.

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Tears11 · 02/02/2022 07:34

He'll respond with cold messages that should say. Not I'll.

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mrsrat · 02/02/2022 07:43

Bloody hell woman you've go kids . Give yourself a slap around the chops

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