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sleepingwiththeenemy · 29/12/2007 16:03

Hi. You may remember my threads from earlier in the year, about my abusive ex husband, and his apalling abuse of my children from my previous marriage and his suspicious behaviour towards our DD, aged 3. I went into a refuge after months/years of psychological abuse and then eventually got him removed by the courts.
I have made a new life for myself and the DC...at the moment we are staying with friends 200 miles away and I think we will eventually stay here permanently as the children are now unwinding and relaxing and settling down at last.
The problem is ex h. I have now received a letter asking me to go to mediation. I've been advised against it by womens aid as a lot of abusers will use this a way of manipulating and abusing again, and it's only now I'm away from him that I realise how bloody scared of him I was and still am.
I found his diarys and read them...soooo scary. He spent time in a psych hospital, tried to kill himself numerous times, tried to hang himself in there, and the rantings which he put down on paper point to a dangerously disturbed and dangerous man. He made threats several times that he would take DD and I;d never see her again. Then on xmas eve she told me that Daddy had shown her his 'willy' several times (if you remember from my previous threads he used to take her in the bath with him and lock the door and this is apparently where he used to show her). I tried to play it down slightly, and said that he was just washing his body and she was adamant that he only washed his willy when she was with him...never his body/face etc. Bear in mind that this is a man who wouldn't shower or bathe for 9 days at a time, and then suddenly would lock himeslf in the bathroom with our daughter. he also accessed porn in front of her so his behaviour is inappropriate to say the least. I had to take her to the GP when I was in the refuge to check for sexual assault/disease because the workers there were so concerned about his behaviour.
I take his threats against DD very seriously. He WOULD abduct her. So...what's to stop me staying here so far away, changing my mobile number etc and just starting again? It's not bitterness on my part, I actively encourage my older 2 children's relationship with their father, but I am scared for my daughter's safety, welfare and even her life if he is allowed to see her.
The injunction runs out in Feb, and my solicitor has told me that there is nothing to stop him moving back in then, as the courts won't extend the injunction as he hasn't shown any deteriorating behaviour. But his mail has started coming back to the house after 3 months of receiving nothing, and I have a sick feeling that he is planning on doing just that.
His children from his previous marriage will have nothing to do with him because of the emotional abuse he diplayed towards them...he really is a disturbed, dangerous man. I am also fearful for my own safety; he made death threats against his ex girlfriend, serious enough for him to be detained in a psych hopsital for 3 months.

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sleepingwiththeenemy · 29/12/2007 16:04

And I've just realised that I didn't title this thread...sorry.

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tiredemma · 29/12/2007 16:07

You need to stay in toucj with Womens Aid- I would also want to be in contact with his Mental Health team- he sounds as if he has a massive risk history which should at the very least be monitored.

Have you informed anyone of your daughters claims re sexual abuse apart from GP? are SS aware of this.

He sounds at the very least a very unstable person

LolaTheShowgirl · 29/12/2007 16:09

omg, So so sorry about your situation but well done for getting out of it and back on your feet again. What wonderful courage you have! I'm so proud of you and I don't even know you!

Please do not go to mediation or anything else to do with this man. By the sounds of it, you've already begun a new life so continue it and don't look back. Do not let this man back in your life (except for access to your older two) and don't let him know a thing about where you're living. Keep you and your little daughter safe. Good luck and let us know how you get on with life.

KIMIfullofhopefor2008 · 29/12/2007 16:13

Oh my love, I really don't have anything to offer but could not pass by, Please get as much help as you can I am sure some others will be along with some really good advice and support soon, mumsnets good at that.

Personally I would move to the ends of the earth to keep away from a man like that, good luck.

sleepingwiththeenemy · 29/12/2007 16:32

Hi Lola

He doesn't have anything to do with my older 2 as they are from a previous marriage. (his beahviour was also inappropriate towards my daughter. He would make her sit on his lap, tell her he would marry her one day and they would have babies together etc)
He doesn't want to see our DD, except as a way of controlling me...he has paid no maintenance, there was no xmas pressie for DD, no card, nothing. he knows I am really struggling for money but was happy to keep me that way, despite it being xmas. The money doesn't interest me anyway, per se...exceptthat it just shows me that he isn't really interested in DD at all.
I know full well that many people will say that I have no right to 'disappear' from his life with his daughter. However, I would (as Kimi says) move to the ends of the earth to get her away from him.
I have informed my solicitor about the conversation with DD...I wanted it documented in case I need to use it as evidence against him in the future.
Has anyone else on here ever just 'disappeared' and started again?

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sleepingwiththeenemy · 29/12/2007 16:56

Just to add...I filed for divorce a year ago and the papers have still not been served due to admin errors on solicitors part, and him basically dragging his heels. I am now thinking that I will just do a disappearing act, wait 5 years and then divorce on the grounds of 5 years separation.

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Shaniece · 29/12/2007 18:46

What an awful story. sorry to hear you have been through this. Whatever Womans Aid recommend I would go with that, also can you get in touch with your Solicitor?

MuthaHubbard · 29/12/2007 18:55

I have nothing to add really, other than my support.

You have shown great strength in getting this far and I agree that I think you should ignore the request for mediation due to his mental state and the concerns for your and your dc's physical and mental wellbeing.

I know some may say you have no right to deny him access to his daughter, but I think your situation is very different. To me, he gave up his rights when he started with the inappropriate behaviour. I too would move mountains to keep her out of his reach. The only thing you are 'denying' her is being abused, which is what every right minded parent would want.

4sonsmum · 29/12/2007 18:59

To be honest i would be taking these suspicions/allegations to the police - with that and a his previous mental health issues - there is no way an injuction would be refused - oh and change your lawer!!!!

Elizabetth · 29/12/2007 19:01

I think you might be better to explore legal routes to ensure he is unable to access your daughter which would be regarded as the "right" way to do it, on the other hand the family courts are notorious for allowing abusive men access to children. Women's Aid probably would be able to best advise you about this.

Whatever way you do it though, you are absolutely right to keep your DD away from this man - he is obviously dangerous in a number of ways. Good luck.

MuthaHubbard · 29/12/2007 20:02

You should also get in touch with the family protection unit at your local police station. They will work alongside social services to protect your daughter from her abuser/father.

MerryPIFFLEmas · 29/12/2007 20:09

I don't believe in keeping fathers from their kids in split ups.
from what you say your ex is not a father
He rather screams animal.
I'd be goign AWOL
But seriously, you need to let people know
There is not a cats hell in chance he would ever get unsupervised access is his abuse is recorded.
You may need to lay charges or something first.
You need to contact some support groups to get the best advice, I have no real idea what to do in thse cases
BUT well done for getting out, that took GUTS, stick with your guts - they were right
xx

sleepingwiththeenemy · 30/12/2007 11:44

Hi...I did and still am considering what to do re: reporting him BUT, my over riding concern is for my daughter. She has already been subjected to examinations by the doctor and I'm not sure I could put her through the whole questioning thing. I just want him out of her life. I don't have any proof of what happened, but I believe in listening to children when they say things like that. My gut instinct at the time was screaming at me that it was wrong that he was taking her into the bathroom with him, but he wouldn't stop doing it. It wouldn't have been so weird if it was something he'd always done IYSWIM, but he only started after I told him I wanted a divorce.
Also, I am worried that if I make it official (ie social services/police) then my new position will be compromised and it will bring me into contact with him again.

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MerryPIFFLEmas · 30/12/2007 14:01

rock and hard place SWTE

If you don't report what you suspect, then what are you going to use if he pursues you via the courts for visitation etc, running away from him could work against you on that score.
Am just being devils advocate - if it was me, I'd be long gone I'm sure.

sleepingwiththeenemy · 01/01/2008 10:40

Hi, when does life get better???? The friends I am staying with have told me we need to leave asap! The kids are happy here, they've been no trouble and suddenly, without warning, we've been given our marching orders!
It looks like me and the kids will be spending New Year in a refuge again! I can't go home; I spoke to women's aid this morning about what DD had revealed to me about her father, and she's told me that under no circumstances should we go back. Not that I would have anyway. But the alternative is a refuge. We should eventually be re-housed up here as we would be considered to be in danger if we went back, and also there are links to the area i.e friends in the area (albeit not good friends as it turns out), and also the kids have started school here.
I spent New Years Eve sobbing in bed, listening to the celebrations and throwing up. I can't believe I've let this happen! My older 2 are at their Dad's and are due home today and I had to tell them this morning and they are devastated.
God almighty...can it get any worse?

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sleepingwiththeenemy · 01/01/2008 10:42

Also, during a conversation with DD again about what she had told me, I asked what happened when Daddy was washing himself. She motioned an up and down 'flicking' movement and said 'Daddy's willy changed into a long willy'. Now, there's no way a 3 year old could imagine that or make it up is there?

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ALomonderfulLife · 01/01/2008 10:49

I am so sorry you are going through all this Do not go back there under any circumstances. you need to report everything so he has no chance in hell of seeing your daughter again.

I'm sorry but I don't have any idea of who could help you find somewhere to stay or what you should do. How long would you have to stay in the refuge? (or is that a how long is a piece of string question?)

Just wanted you to know that I am thinking of you and I hope you can get settled somewhere and start your new life soon xxx

Alambil · 01/01/2008 10:51

You haven't let anything happen - it has just happened.. it is NOT your fault. Refuges are dingy and not the best places to live but there are a million times better than fear, abuse and control. Think of where you are going - not of where you are. Where you are is only temporary.

WRT your ex and your DD you MUST, must, must report it. I had an abusive ex (nowhere near as bad as yours) and didn't report him and all the way through court the abuse was IGNORED because it "clearly wasn't bad enough to report - so was only your opinion on what happened and that isn't good enough for us"

PLEASE report it. I know it will be hell. I do understand how hard it is but you must if you even think you will need it one day.

I wish you strength and courage for this year - it looks like it might be rocky.

Don't forget we are all here to help and support you too.

ALomonderfulLife · 01/01/2008 10:52

No I'm sorry there is no way she could make that up Get him reported! You have to so he never has the chance to do it again.

WideWebWitch · 01/01/2008 10:53

Don't go back. Please don't. Where ever you go it will be better than anywhere he has access to you and your daughter. Are you on good terms with your first husband? Could he help in any way? What about in laws from that relationship? Your parents? Siblings?

WideWebWitch · 01/01/2008 10:54

And I agree, you should report the abuse because otherwise there is a chance he'll get access. Mediation isn't what he wants by the sound of it. Poor you, he sounds awful.

mumof2fabkids · 02/01/2008 01:05

Just spoken to my DH, police officer just back from work and he says to report this asap, your ex will be arrested and interviewed. Your DD will also be interviewed by specially trained police officers and if he is charged, they will attach bail conditions which could be that he can't contact her, if he did, he would be re-arrested. She's the victim, report him now. She needs protecting now cos it sounds to me like he's planning something. Good luck, thinking of you all, keep in touch.

sb6699 · 02/01/2008 01:33

I don't think there's anything stopping you from just "disappearing". I know a woman who was in a violent relationship and she just got on a bus with her 4 dcs and when she got to her destination spent a few weeks in a refuge. She now has a lovely council and has made a new life for herself. Her and dc's are all very happy.

Speak to the local housing association asap to see if they can offer you something - if they can't give you something right away they will offer you a place in a homeless unit which isn't ideal but at least you will be safer than if you went home.

You really should report the abuse though - your daughter needs to be protected from this man. I don't think the police would let him know where you are living and you need to ensure he is not allowed unsupervised access.

You have been very brave and hope everything works out for you and your dc's.

Please keep us posted.

mumof2fabkids · 03/01/2008 23:12

Hi SWTE, how are things? Just wanted to let you know we're thinking of you all.

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