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I don’t know how I got so far away from the person I was supposed to be, ashamed of my life

49 replies

Thefallow · 21/01/2022 21:33

This is going to be long and result in me getting a pasting from other posters, I know that and I accept it’s probably what I need.

I’ve become acutely aware that the person I am today, is not who I ever thought I would or wanted to be. I can see how I got here, I can see the flaws in my own personality which have allowed me to become this person but I don’t know if I can or will make the changes I need to turn this around.

Brief life story, not a great childhood by any means. Abusive, violent father. Mother who was very beat down by life and didn’t have any other options but to stay. Never really felt I fitted in anywhere I was always aware I was acting as someone else to fit in with friends and be liked.

Met 1st boyfriend as a young teen, hopelessly fell for him and my whole identity became his life. His friends were my friends, his interests were my interests. My life was his life. Fast forward 15 years and we are married and have 3 children together. No real friends of my own, no contact with family, no career or interests. No idea who I even was. Then I discover his affair. My world fell apart overnight.

I had no money, 3 children, no career, no family, my mental health was in the toilet.

I eventually picked myself back up again and started a college course. I was doing well until I met man 2. As soon as he showed some interest in me I gave up everything I had gained and did the same thing as I did before. I had another child with him; left my college course and made myself vulnerable all over again. He left when the baby was small and I’ve (we’ve) never seen him again.

This time around I went and found a little job. And this is possibly the only thing I am proud of other than my children but I bloody grafted like you wouldn’t believe, I worked my way up the ranks and raised 4 children at the same time. No help from anyone, never even borrowed a fiver. Still had no money to speak of but I was respected. Man 3 comes along. 20 red flags but I ignore all of them and let him into my life. That lasts a year and then he leaves. No hard feelings and we are still friends, but I was aware the whole time we were together that I didn’t love him I just desperately needed ‘someone’ to love me. I was lonely and accepted a man that I didn’t even really love just to have “something”. We split up and he is now seeing someone else. I felt and do feel like “I couldn’t even keep a man I didn’t want”.

That one more than anything knocked me for six because I felt like there must be really something wrong with me if even a man who most women would run from I couldn’t keep.

Now man 4. He’s married. He has children. We’ve been together for a year. I say together when what I really mean is I accept the time he has spare for me. I’m doing the same awful thing another woman did to me. I’m that horrible awful selfish woman breaking up a family. He’s tried to talk to me a number of times about leaving his wife and it terrifies me. Because if he leaves then he’ll see the real me which he doesn’t have to see at the moment. He only sees the ok happy confident me. Not the messed up, shambles of a life me. His family will be torn apart for nothing. I don’t know why I’m accepting this half love from someone who can’t love me properly. I don’t know why I’m carrying on with this. Other than being on my own again is terrifying. He’s gone away with his wife for 2 weeks and I’m just in a state of complete breakdown over what my life has become, who I have become.

Please, what do I do here.

OP posts:
Thewookiemustgo · 21/01/2022 22:33

@Thefallow this sounds easy but I know it’s so hard:

You stop.

That’s what you do. You stop doing this.
Find a counsellor or wise friend you trust. None of what happened to you as a child growing up was your fault. None of it. It was not your responsibility.
What you do as an adult, however, is your responsibility. If you don’t want to be ashamed of yourself or hurt other people, stop repeating the behaviour which makes you feel ashamed and risks the wellbeing of others.
I doubt he’ll leave his wife. Would it make you happy if he did? Does carrying on like this make you happy? No? Then stop. Make a decision for yourself, nobody else. Just stop.
You are worth more than this. Go non contact with this man, and concentrate on the person who is worthy of your love. That person is you. Take some time to heal your hurt and pain and find your self worth. You can’t help or change your past now, it’s done, put it behind you, but your future is yours to claim and you deserve more than the crumbs from his table.
What is stopping you from walking away from this? Fear? Fear of what? Being alone? Being unloved?
Never make a decision based on fear that isn’t about your immediate physical harm. Fear is a restrictive and destructive emotion which makes us do and think stuff which is bad for us. Make a healthy choice and ditch this, take a breather and re-assess your life. You really can change, but only if you want to. Nobody can do that for you, sadly, and it’s hard work. Recruit some support and focus on you. The rest will surely follow. Good luck and take care X

Onthemaintrunkline · 21/01/2022 22:44

[quote Thewookiemustgo]@Thefallow this sounds easy but I know it’s so hard:

You stop.

That’s what you do. You stop doing this.
Find a counsellor or wise friend you trust. None of what happened to you as a child growing up was your fault. None of it. It was not your responsibility.
What you do as an adult, however, is your responsibility. If you don’t want to be ashamed of yourself or hurt other people, stop repeating the behaviour which makes you feel ashamed and risks the wellbeing of others.
I doubt he’ll leave his wife. Would it make you happy if he did? Does carrying on like this make you happy? No? Then stop. Make a decision for yourself, nobody else. Just stop.
You are worth more than this. Go non contact with this man, and concentrate on the person who is worthy of your love. That person is you. Take some time to heal your hurt and pain and find your self worth. You can’t help or change your past now, it’s done, put it behind you, but your future is yours to claim and you deserve more than the crumbs from his table.
What is stopping you from walking away from this? Fear? Fear of what? Being alone? Being unloved?
Never make a decision based on fear that isn’t about your immediate physical harm. Fear is a restrictive and destructive emotion which makes us do and think stuff which is bad for us. Make a healthy choice and ditch this, take a breather and re-assess your life. You really can change, but only if you want to. Nobody can do that for you, sadly, and it’s hard work. Recruit some support and focus on you. The rest will surely follow. Good luck and take care X[/quote]
This……read it and read it again until it makes sense to you. Fantastic advice, I wish you well.

Buildingthefuture · 22/01/2022 07:02

@Thewookiemustgo always gives good advice, listen to her!!! And honestly, I think you have more self awareness than most. You can see the mistakes you’ve made in the past and you are aware you are repeating them now. That’s a good start.
But you must stop this self destructive behaviour. Stop it NOW, today. Block him, end all contact and focus on you. Get a therapist and do the work to unpick the damage caused to you and work on how you make yourself feel safe, without a man. It’s tough op, but worth it. Once you actually work out the only person you need to depend on is yourself, the rest of it comes together. Good luck xx

AllGoodPoints · 22/01/2022 07:33

You had an abusive childhood, now you are choosing to participate in the emotional abuse of this married man’s wife and children.
Make the choice to be a better person.
Think about the example you are setting your children.

Rainbowqueeen · 22/01/2022 07:40

Relationship are just one part of our lives. Yes you’re struggling with that but it’s not your whole life.

You need to text this guy and say it’s over and you want no contact going forward. Then block him on everything. Book into therapy, read self help books and try and find relevant podcasts. This won’t change without a lot of effort on your part. But it will be worth it. Every step of the way you can be proud of yourself for recognising the problem and dealing with it.

Sundancerintherain · 22/01/2022 07:40

You are not awful, your emotional responses have been damaged by past experiences. You need therapy to sort out those feelings and you need an extended time of being single so you can put your love and care into yourself. Flowers

Ladybugzrock · 22/01/2022 07:46

Hurt people hurt people. They pass pain on. You’re passing pain onto the wife and children of your affair partner. This is not ok.

It’s time to stop. Most NHS trusts have a self referral system for counselling. Speak to your GP. You may have a counselling access route through your work but get into counselling. Start to unpick the damage that your childhood caused you and start to heal. Learn to fill that gaping void in yourself, by being more yourself happy and healthy. You won’t regret it.

Ladybugzrock · 22/01/2022 07:47

Good luck Flowers

GoodnightGrandma · 22/01/2022 07:48

You need to stop needing a man.

Theoscargoesto · 22/01/2022 08:17

So much self awareness in your post. You said you keep choosing men who are unsafe and now you have chosen unavailable. Why is that? Please find out why, therapy should help if you engage in the process. Then you can make choices you yourself are proud of. I wish you well.

Stellaaaaaaaah · 22/01/2022 08:26

Please take the time to process the abuse. This is how you break the pattern. Journal, walking in nature, whatever gives you peace. You deserve a decent quality of life and so do your children.

PersonaNonGarter · 22/01/2022 08:29

Aw OP, you have done OK. This is a very negative review of successfully raising 4DC.

But - as you’ve identified - you now need some therapy to unpick the patterns that aren’t helping you. Spend on therapy like your life depends on it. Good luck.

Alphavilla · 22/01/2022 08:38

@GoodnightGrandma

You need to stop needing a man.
I agree with this. You are certainly not unloved. You have 4 DC who adore you. You have their companion ship. You have fun with them. Try to focus on the blessings you do have, and create in yourself a strong independent woman.
ESGdance · 22/01/2022 08:57

I don’t know why I’m accepting this half love from someone who can’t love me properly.

Because that was your normal - your blueprint from your parents. You had a hugely emotionally deficient childhood and this part of you has not developed and you go into the same type of relationship dynamic because it is subconsciously feels familiar to you as you are trying to resolve the childhood deficit in these adult relationships.

Do some research on emotional deprivation - neglect, chaos and abuse in childhood and see if you can work with a therapist to rebuild these missing parts in you now as an adult so that you don’t fall into these patterns.

Mirrormirrorontheball · 22/01/2022 08:59

I was single for 7 years before I met my current bf. I relate to some of what you are saying. Here’s what you do.

  1. Recognise that the only person in your life who is always going to be there is you. Stop telling yourself off and become your own best friend. You have kids you love and a job you love and you are going to work with yourself to improve the other bits.
  2. see your life as a journey in which each stage teaches you a lesson that you can move on to a new, higher level of being. This lesson is that you are ready to stand on your own two feet. This is not a low point, it’s a success.
  3. You are the designer of your own life- it will be what you make it. So, think about how to make it great.
  4. Draw up a plan of how you want your life to evolve- take a course, join an exercise group, socialise in the park/playgroup/school. Say yes to everything.
  5. Think of your friends/family/people you look up to. How do they behave? What character traits would you like to adopt? Eg dm is always kind, calm and friendly. Df is really funny and takes time to say hello to everyone and takes an interest in them. Dfilm star always looks so perfect. Now try doing this yourself. You might feel like you are acting to begin with but before long, it will become second nature.
  6. Counselling or read self help books. Counselling is a long road and can be emotionally exhausting but it is really worthwhile. We all have been hurt and have hurt people ultimately all we can do is forgive and try harder.
  7. Don’t date for a little while. Set boundaries. Eg I am faithful, honest, respectful and that is what I expect from a relationship. If they show red flags I will go. Practice by setting boundaries for your kids and yourself.
  8. You think therefore you are. Your thoughts shape your reality. So the next time you think “I’m a mess” change that to “I am a beautiful, lovable mother of four who works and us transforming into a strong, assertive woman who grabs life, makes new friends, tries new things and is successful”.

Good luck OP

Toanewstart22 · 22/01/2022 09:02

Op

I don’t give a hoot and no judgment re you and married man

But

My goodness… our children have really been through the mill.

shut down any and all relationships with any men, married or otherwise, and just focus on them

Pasdelacasa · 22/01/2022 09:11

Firstly, stop seeing the married man TODAY. Cut him OUT. He’s a user and you will end up very, very hurt.

Next - the freedom programme. Then therapy.

You obviously have great inner resources of strength. You need to work with those, but first you very obviously need to do some intensive work on your self esteem, sense of self worth and boundaries.

Imagine a life where you are not at the mercy of men. The freedom! It is possible.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 22/01/2022 09:39

You Are an amazing woman who raised 4 kids alone

But your self esteem is shot to hell and you have
Major boundary issues IMO !

Get a vibrator , stay single and invest some time into self care

You know this will end bad and make you feel shitty

Thefallow · 22/01/2022 09:43

Firstly thank you all, every one of you for your replies. I’ve read and re-read them in the early hours and this morning.

Some more context, man 2/3/4 were over the space of 12 years - 5 years in total of being with someone, 7 of being single. I took an extended period of being on my own before man 2 and afterwards. Man 4 came straight after man 3 (children didn’t meet man 3 and won’t meet man 4) I’m very strict about that.

Someone asked if I wanted MM to leave his wife. No is the answer to that. I don’t feel capable of being in a full time relationship with someone and I don’t want to make myself vulnerable to a man ever again. When I’m single I miss touch, I miss company and laughing but that doesn’t outweigh sharing my whole life with a man, I know I don’t want that. Do I love him? I honestly don’t know, I think I do, I say I do, but he’s away with his wife now and I’m not particularly bothered. If I really loved him that would bother me wouldn’t it? Maybe I just accept the situation and this is how it is. I don’t know.

I’m looking at therapists this morning. MM has already offered to pay a few months ago but I don’t accept money or gifts from him but I will struggle to pay for this myself, I could possibly access through work so I need to look into that too.

OP posts:
AllGoodPoints · 22/01/2022 12:12

@Thefallow

Firstly thank you all, every one of you for your replies. I’ve read and re-read them in the early hours and this morning.

Some more context, man 2/3/4 were over the space of 12 years - 5 years in total of being with someone, 7 of being single. I took an extended period of being on my own before man 2 and afterwards. Man 4 came straight after man 3 (children didn’t meet man 3 and won’t meet man 4) I’m very strict about that.

Someone asked if I wanted MM to leave his wife. No is the answer to that. I don’t feel capable of being in a full time relationship with someone and I don’t want to make myself vulnerable to a man ever again. When I’m single I miss touch, I miss company and laughing but that doesn’t outweigh sharing my whole life with a man, I know I don’t want that. Do I love him? I honestly don’t know, I think I do, I say I do, but he’s away with his wife now and I’m not particularly bothered. If I really loved him that would bother me wouldn’t it? Maybe I just accept the situation and this is how it is. I don’t know.

I’m looking at therapists this morning. MM has already offered to pay a few months ago but I don’t accept money or gifts from him but I will struggle to pay for this myself, I could possibly access through work so I need to look into that too.

Not even an acknowledgment of what you and the MM are doing to his wife and children?
Fairylightsongs · 22/01/2022 12:23

This is still all about men, your life is simply an incidental by product to you in your absolute and utter driven focus on men. It’s like it’s the most important thing in thr world to you and always has been. Finding a man, getting a man, being with a man, it’s really unhealthy and is the root cause of all your issues it seems, this burning obsession with men.

Ladybugzrock · 22/01/2022 12:37

No. You don’t ask MM for ANYTHING!

You are contemplating him spending his families money on YOUR therapy. That is not ok! Can you imagine the fall out if that gets out. Another knife wound in his wife and childrens chests!

You sort YOU out. As I’ve said NHS has a self referral route… health in mind I believe it’s called. You can access it through most work places now.

You need to prioritise you right now, away from him. I think you think he’s your knight in shining armour, he’s not, he’s just a man who cheats on his wife and children.

Leave him alone and start getting healthy.

JSL52 · 22/01/2022 12:47

I think you need to dump MM.
I'm not even saying it from a moral position but for your own MH.

Fireflygal · 22/01/2022 12:53

How old are you? You show some insight into your patterns but perhaps are not able to acknowledge the desperate need for a man, it feels as if you are addicted so it might be useful to consider withdrawal from the relationship as similar to addiction.

If you can't access therapy, read books, look on YouTube and forums for healing the inner child. There is so much available and it will help you to remain strong.

FreedomFaith · 22/01/2022 12:57

Dump the married man and do not for God sake accept his money. That's just stupid.

There are free facilities out there, Google them. They might take longer to get an appointment, but its better that way.

You can do this, you need to be happy on your own before you'll meet the right man. None of them are right.

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