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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I’ve become the Abusive one.

38 replies

Footgoose · 08/01/2022 11:38

Was reading the “listen up” thread that’s been on The relationship board many many years. It’s referred to as a “stickie” so I assume that means it’s never taken down after the so many days others are removed.
I know my behaviour is inappropriate towards my DH. It’s become less loving and more combative .I’ve posted previously how I feel let down , not supported, that he drinks to much every single day. I do love him, well the version of him that finally wakes up sober in the middle of the morning . By 6pm most nights he’s well on the way to drunk . Often stays in another room on his iPad drinking and playing music whilst I sit alone.
We both work hard but I earn a significantly higher amount than he. I’ve come to the end of my patients with him over just about everything because of his drinking. We clash on just about everything because I don’t feel he listens to me . He wants the final word and decision on everything. All the big decisions have gone his way from what car I drive to what house we should buy. I’m paying most of the money for these things and mostly I’ve been happy to go along with his choices but not anymore. I’m not sure why I’ve had this change in attitude but I do believe it’s to do with the fact that I should get a much bigger say in the life decisions and he needs to start compromising too.

Because he drinks , because he is absolutely set on what he wants he doesn’t listen to me. So now I have to shout to be heard. He talks over me so I raise my voice to talk over him. He’s behaviours in drink have ground me down so now I’m shouting at him daily for this too. Music to loud. TV to loud. Dogs not walked. No dinner when he’s been home all day and I’m at work, his stuff left all over the house instead of being put away, waking me in the middle of the night coming to bed and crashing around then going on his phone which lights up the whole room. I can’t talk to him about it in normal tones. I shout. If I see something isn’t done I shout. I go straight to bloody shouting the minute I open my mouth. I don’t swear apart from the odd “bloody” . I don’t put him down. But I shout all the time. So now I feel abusive.
I had a recent operation , not a small thing but was allowed home the next day with support. I was left unexpectedly on my own by DH ( I get he was in a difficult situation but he decided to leave me alone when he could have done things differently ) I was unable to move easily without help from 9 am to 6pm . When he finally got in I was beside my self. Screaming, crying, raging. I crossed a line and got nasty. Mentally I can’t come back from it. I even went as far as throwing things at a wall. It’s like he finally turned me in a nasty raging abusive lunatic. Only I can’t say that as no one is responsible for my actions other than myself.
I think it’s time I left. I am fortunate to have the money to buy a small house outright and leave him with the home we already have. I would prefer for our marriage to work but can’t see that happening now. I think it’s for his own good I left. I’m not from the same part of the country as he, but I was thinking of just moving a few miles away and seeing how things go. How he responds would be up to him. If after a few years it was clear we are better off apart then I could move again, back to my own home county which is 400 miles away so a decision not easily reversed.
For information. He almost never shouts. He one of the most placid people I know . Just extremely forthright in how he wants things to go his way and drinks so much alcohol we don’t have a life together anymore.
I’ve asked that we go to counselling . He says no. I’ve asked him to reduce his drinking. He says he doesn’t have a problem. He drinks 12 to 15 cans of beer a day / night often not stopping until he passes out on the sofa. He’s in denial because he manages to hold down his job.
So I’ve become an abusive shouty partner who literally yells at DH for everything. I have been blaming my actions on him but I can’t do that anymore and need to take responsibility for all the shouting and now the throwing. It’s not his fault I’m shouting at him, it’s mine as I can’t control it anymore. Financially , he would barely make ends meet without my income and I don’t want to see him struggle so I stay but continue to shout and have all these negative thoughts . If this was the other way around and I was the man in the scenario and DH the woman , he would be getting advice to leave me but probably feels he can’t as he’s financially dependant on me.

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StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 08/01/2022 11:45

Youre not abusive as you are not trying to control him, youre trying to be heard and are not having your basic needs met. We all have our limits and you sound as if you are way beyond yours. The relationship isnt working and you have the means to leave so just do it.

DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 08/01/2022 11:49

Why are you still with this leech?
You’re at the end of your tether and you’ve spilled over due to his selfish uncaring exploitative treatment of you

Leave him and the side of yourself you hate because of him will vanish

Mybalconyiscracking · 08/01/2022 11:49

You need to split from him, you are doing him no favours in enabling his drinking and life sounds absolutely hellish for you.

emsmar · 08/01/2022 11:52

Just walk, for your own sake. Get settled and then focus on the details later. You're gonna end up getting physical with him if you stay. You need to get out before it goes too far. X

ravenmum · 08/01/2022 11:56

Financially , he would barely make ends meet without my income and I don’t want to see him struggle so I stay
You are enabling him to live this unhealthy lifestyle. If you weren't there he might be forced to change.

AlDanvers · 08/01/2022 11:57

You need to leave. Its become mutually toxic.

He will make ends meet. He will have to. And if you have a house, pension etc he is likey to get more of the assets (I presume there's no kids as non are mentioned) to set himself up.

But what choices he makes after you split, is entirely his choice.

Porcupineintherough · 08/01/2022 11:57

Dont know about abusive but it sounds like trying to lice with his alcoholism is damaging your mh. Addicts are the most selfish people on the planet. The trick to dealing with one is to get we away. Think how great it would be if you could devote all the energy you use to prop him up into yourself and your life.

Porcupineintherough · 08/01/2022 11:58

And yes, you are not rescuing him, or supporting him, you are enabling him. So the relationship is toxic.

DelphiniumBlue · 08/01/2022 11:58

Jeez, you sound like you are approaching a breakdown, and I think it’s the right decision for you to leave him.
You might be shouty, but he sounds intolerable.
Move to wherever you want, and in the long term do not just handover your interest in the house. I know someone who did this, and her very nice but alcoholic ex still managed to lose the house and get repossessed , not because he was so skint but because he couldn’t organise himself, drinking came first, above answering letters, turning up at work, etc. So she lost her whole investment in the house, made over several years, and despite the fact that she was still helping him out.
If you can afford to, give him warning that you will want it sold in , say, 3 years time.
As he refuses to acknowledge he has a drinking problem and is unable to provide you with any sort of emotional or practical support, there is nothing left for you to salvage. Sad for him, but it is a choice on his part.
Yes I know alcohol ism is an illness but it is not an excuse for everything.

LaBellina · 08/01/2022 12:03

He sounds like a leech. I think once you get divorced, you’ll no longer be a shouty person.

pickingdaisies · 08/01/2022 12:03

Sweetheart. You've already stayed far too long. Right now you're just screaming into the void. Leave and he'll sink or swim on his own but it's not your responsibility. He's a grown man and he is making these choices every day.

Chloemol · 08/01/2022 12:09

He is an adult and responsible for his own actions

Buy a new place outright and move, but be warned when you divorce he will be entitled to half of everything

Personally I would say there is no coming back from this, he is not going to change, I would speak to a solicitor and look to file for divorce, selling the house, splitting assets andmove on with a clean break

Otherwise he will remain a millstone around your neck

MizzFizz · 08/01/2022 12:13

OP it sounds like you're in a difficult relationship (to say the least) and you hold yourself accountable for your actions. You also need to hold your partner accountable for his actions - he's not a child and is perfectly capable of supporting himself if he has to (unless I'm missing something?).

I agree with PP that your financial support is enabling him as he just takes what he wants, does what he wants and ignores your increasingly emotional pleas for change.

Moving out, separating, is a great idea imo. You can't change anyone else, you can only change yourself and it's clear being with him as he is now is untenable for you.

I would suggest perhaps getting a good therapist to explore why you feel like you need to support and take care of someone who clearly doesn't have any regard for your happiness. And also seek legal advice re: separation and finances so you have support there too.

Good luck.

ravenmum · 08/01/2022 12:14

If you want to move back to where you come from, then do that straight away, though.
What would be the point of staying nearby? Are you assuming that if you leave him and he changes, you can just take him back again as you please? That he won't find anyone else and will just meekly be grateful you want him after all? And that would be the kind of partner you'd really like?

GoGoGretaDoll · 08/01/2022 12:18

It's good that you can recognise your own behaviour as wrong - as in, you don't want to behave that way. The only way to stop behaving like that is to remove yourself from the cause and trigger - your relationship and your husband's alcoholism.

I would give the same advice to anyone who posted with the same behaviours; you need to leave. In your case, you need to leave for your own sanity and I am sure you will never behave like this again. You're not an abuser, you're stuck in a toxic cycle of enablement.

Just leave. Go to a hotel if you have to. Contact Al Anon for support. Leave the big decisions about where you're going to live and what housing people need until you've gone and had a bit of support. You don't need to do it all at once.

chaosrabbitland · 08/01/2022 12:19

i think its time you left as well , i couldnt be putting up with what sounds like a functioning alocholic , no wonder your getting shouty and losing your rag , all that unhappiness is bound to boil over at some point

you are in no way forced to stay with him just because hes become finaciallly dependent on you , he will have to bloody stop drinking and learn to become independent in his own right ,
you cannot be expected to stay in this misery for the next how many years whilst he just drinks and you support him ,

as someone else has pointed out , its clear hes not got any intention of changing and the only thing you can do is to change it yourself , what he does as a grown adult is then down to him

Andouillette · 08/01/2022 12:22

He is an alcoholic, a functioning one (keeping his job) but an alcoholic nonetheless. Yes, it's an illness but as with any other illness that is not an excuse for him to do nothing about it. You get ill, you get treatment, no? Leave him. By staying you are enabling him to continue on this destructive path. That is not a criticism of you, not at all, the patterns are very much set in this type of relationship.
If you have the energy (I wouldn't blame you if you don't!) tell him why you are leaving and tell him AA is available and can work well. Chances are he won't listen so leave him to stew in his own juice. Move as near or far as you want, don't hold back. If you need some support, al-anon is there for you.
Best of luck, look forward to a new, non shouty life.

MumE78 · 08/01/2022 12:25

This is exactly what he wants you to think!

Abusers esp ones with addiction and the amount of alcohol involved shows that, always try and make you believe your the abusive one.

It's control and manipulation so you feel bad for reacting to their behaviour.
In turn this makes you believe your the problem and often you don't speak up because you feel your at fault.
You become a facilitator to their addiction
Your not!!!!

My gambling emotionally abusive partner done the same to me for a very long time.

Leave him and watch everything about you return to normal

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 08/01/2022 12:27

You're not abusive.

He is and you're reacting to his abuse. Please get him out or leave - the change in you will be as different as night and day.

Boogaloony · 08/01/2022 12:32

Oh OP, reading this has made me really sad. You are wasting your time with this man, please DO leave, as soon as possible.

Get onto zoopla and find a C little place off your own and start living!

ANameChangeAgain · 08/01/2022 12:46

This is what reaching the end of your tether with someone looks like. You can't cope and are angry and frustrated, he won't change. The result is the explosions and he will end up pulling you down with him.
You have to split up, but do it properly with legal advise. Don't just walk away and leave him with everything just because his unacceptable alcohol abuse, controlling behaviour and leaching financially makes you angry.

ClaudiusTheGod · 08/01/2022 12:47

Been there, done that. I still feel ashamed. This is what living with an addict does to you. I can do no more than echo a pp:

Leave him and the side of yourself you hate because of him will vanish

Flowers
ANameChangeAgain · 08/01/2022 12:47

Annoying typo, advice not advise.

ravenmum · 08/01/2022 12:53

Also maybe try talking to an expert about what abuse is, exactly. I'm not an expert but surely abuse is a means of control? I don't see how you are controlling him with your shouting.

Footgoose · 08/01/2022 13:00

Thanks for replies so far . It’s good to feel your support. I have none in real life. The reason for moving house but staying close by is just to watch and see what happens. I completely get that DH may move on. I’m not worried about that being one of his options, the whole point of taking a step back is for us both to find out if life apart is better. He may actually find living alone with his beer and no one yelling at him a good thing. I have an exceptionally good job so staying in this part of the country for now is a good option for me . If DH moves on then so be it. I appreciate I’m very fortunate to have options. I’m not rich but have enough to sort myself out without making either one of us homeless. My children are at Uni , they love their Step Dad so I would like to try and keep us together for that reason too but I can’t live like this anymore. I hate who I have become.

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