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Should I report this man I met? TW sex, controlling behaviour

58 replies

Omniscope · 08/01/2022 09:15

Hello all, I'm a long time lurker but this is my first time making a post.
This is incredibly long so apologies in advance.
I'm not sure if relationships is the right board but I didn't want to brave AIBU.
Short story, I met a man online, I met him in real life twice, the situation became too intense for me so I ended it, but he is keeps texting me and I find it intimidating.
Long story. I came out of a nice relationship (mostly nice, a lovely lovely man, but a bit closed off with his emotions and I felt my emotional needs weren't always being met, there was a lack of communication and this made me feel insecure. I am working on my insecurities which stem from a previous relationship) last year and after a while I missed sex.
I read on here, on the sex board, about websites where you could meet people for consensual NSA or FWB situations so I tried it. I was looking to find a nice regular FWB, not sleep with 100 different men, though there's nothing wrong with that if people do that. I followed advice, was very picky, and did everything I could to keep myself safe. I've met a couple of really nice people, and see one occasionally, it's working well.
I want to caveat this with saying I know it could be dangerous to meet strangers, however it shouldn't be, women should be safe, we should be able to do that without fear. of course unfortunately we can't, so I was careful with vetting, met in public, told my friends and gave my friends their details and numbers. I don't think meeting someone from a sex site is any more dangerous than meeting someone from tinder. In fact being in a relationship is more dangerous for women due to DV. However, I am still blaming myself for this situation.
Also, I'm not ashamed of my sexual desires, there is things I want to explore and I'm not embarrassed to have those fantasies, they might not be for everyone but I don't think women should be ashamed of their sexuality. However, I do know that if something bad happened to me and my messages were published, I'd likely be blamed for being a "slut who wanted x y z".
Anyway.
I cant remember what order everything happened in and I don't want to read through all the messages to check.
We met online, after a while switched to WhatsApp. He was very friendly, chatty, open, very complimentary, very curious. We seemed to get on well. I did think he messaged a lot, he asked a lot of questions. I stated multiple times I wasn't looking for a boyfriend or anything emotional, I'm aware it needs to be a friendly situation for FWB but I wasn't looking for a relationship or to talk to someone everyday, I wasn't emotionally ready for that and didn't want it.
However we talked a lot. I admit I did mildly like the attention and feeling wanted. But it increased and he wanted voice calls and video calls regularly. I have a busy life and didn't always have time, and also didn't always want to, I wasn't looking for that level of communication. I did express this, and he said OK, but would continue the same level. I did feel that his communication meant he wasn't looking for a one off, that we would get to know each other and get on well outside of sex, so I didn't worry too much though I did wonder about love bombing. I'm pretty knowledgeable about emotional abuse and DV due to work, and I kept that info in my head. (Although as I write this I see I really did overlook so many red flags). He asked a lot of questions about work and family etc and I felt wary of this.
He mentioned that since WhatsApp owns Facebook, giving someone your number means they come up on your Facebook, and he said I'd come up on his. I found this a bit intimidating, but he said it in a way that made it sound he was protecting me from less polite men. My Facebook is completely locked down other than my name and profile picture, no one can see anything, and I barely use it anyway. I have removed my phone number from it now.
A while after this, my twitter and Facebook got hacked, just to sell cheap shoes etc, but it worried me. I did wonder if it was him, but thought surely not.
I'm going to try simplify it now as it's already too long and I'm nowhere near done. this may all be in the wrong order.
At some point we met for a coffee, got on, and I knew I'd be happy to meet again for sex. He wanted to spend all day with me and I was clear I didn't want that. a bit of a social, yes, but not boyfriend type stuff. he asked I'd go out for meals etc as the "friend" part, I said unlikely. I felt pushed and pressured all the time.
I was occasionally seeing someone else (once a month ish, v nice, v easygoing, no stress) and this new guy seemed a bit jealous. I explained I am my own person, I'm exploring things, no one owns me.
The things I want to explore do centre on someone being in charge of me, but I was clear I wanted this very slowly, and I am a completely independent woman, I will see who I want. when I said things like this he would act disappointed, short messages etc. I ignored this as I could see it was emotional manipulation, and it doesn't work on me.
He started calling me pet names without my consent, I usually hate that but I ignored it because I thought he was looking for a reaction. He praised me a lot which I fell for. he wanted me to call him a pet name which I felt a bit icky about but I did occasionally do it. he wanted goodnight and Good morning texts which I didn't want to feel tied to. (in my previous relationship where I was wildly in love, I wanted this and didn't get it, so it did feel nice that someone was doing this and wanting me. however I didn't want it from him, it felt claustrophobic and overly intimate too soon).
Yes, I can see the love bombing and red flags v clearly now.
I did send pics, yes, I do regret it, yes, but I do feel I should be able to without fear of retribution, but obviously that isn't the case and I feel stupid now, though he promised he had deleted them.
We met Once more, he came to mine, we had a good time, physically compatible.
But it all just got too much, he was asking too much, forcing a relationship, telling me he could like me, that I was his type of girl, asking if I liked him, if I could like him as more than FWB, I felt really pressured. I repeated my boundaries a lot and he reassured me but then ignored them again. he would text multiple times if I didn't reply.
He was always asking me if he could "help", like with how I was feeling or whatever, it was odd.
he was very "protective", so if I was out he would want me to text him to say I was home? I am an adult woman living alone and don't do that, maybe with my friends but not a random man.
He made it seem like he was very protective and caring and safe etc. I think the truth is he is controlling.
I don't know why I put up with it so long!
We had another meet planned, and I was feeling i wanted to end this.
I had told my friends I'd met him but not all this detail, because I KNEW it was dodgy and they'd tell me. I feel so stupid. I told a friend, she told me he was awful, I agreed and decided to end it.
I knew it would have to be a "proper break up", due to how he is. This was exactly what I didn't want, something intense and serious leading to a break up, I wanted something easy and fun, not the emotional drama. I ended it, being polite, feeling like I had to placate him to keep myself safe. I said I'd enjoyed getting to know him but I didn't want to continue, I wasn't going to meet anyone (white lie because by this point I was nervous about him and wanted to placate him), that my health isn't good (true). he took it pretty well. He asked me not to block him, which I agreed to to placate him. I don't want to antagonise him.
We always spoke on WhatsApp, and he hasn't contacted me there, however, since then I have had 3 text messages from him over a few weeks. I have ignored them all, hoping it would make it clear.
However the last one says he has seen me online on the site where we met. He is wondering if I am ready to consider talking.
I'm not, and it freaks me out that he's watching me.
I know I ought to block him everywhere. I just don't know if I ought to send a final text being much clearer, saying I don't want to hear from you, it freaked me out that you were watching me, please don't contact me again. I'm just scared of antagonising him.
I am also wondering if I should speak to Women's Aid, or the police?
I'm not one for "logging with 101" as mumsnet would say, but I do feel worried.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I'm sorry this is so long, thank you if you read it.
I am aware this has a lot of identifying detail so am cautious about posting it.
I promise I will be back to read replies and reply.
Thank you

OP posts:
LeifSan · 08/01/2022 10:41

I think maybe you’ve been a little too vague with him and that’s why he’s chanced a couple of texts to see if you might want to start things up again. Send him a firm no thank you and block him.

You don’t need to justify yourself to this extent! You tried something out with this guy and it’s not working for you so you have ended things.

Just strengthen those boundaries a little, it’s ok to say no and you don’t need to give him reasons or excuses. Flowers

Omniscope · 08/01/2022 10:44

@LeifSan

I think maybe you’ve been a little too vague with him and that’s why he’s chanced a couple of texts to see if you might want to start things up again. Send him a firm no thank you and block him.

You don’t need to justify yourself to this extent! You tried something out with this guy and it’s not working for you so you have ended things.

Just strengthen those boundaries a little, it’s ok to say no and you don’t need to give him reasons or excuses. Flowers

I think this is right, I was trying to be kind and polite and not antagonise him but I should have been clearer. I will definitely work on strengthening my boundaries. Thank you
OP posts:
Omniscope · 08/01/2022 10:49

Thank you all again for your replies, and apologies again for the long OP, I wanted to be clear and not dripfeed. Thank you to those who read and replied!
I don't think I am hard work, but I see how my OP makes it look like it!
Hopefully I am overreacting and the situation isn't anything to worry about.
I think I will respond and be much clearer, then there is no wiggle room. I was polite to him when ending it as I didn't want to get drawn into a big conversation and give him opportunity to convince or persuade me, as he had done previously.
I feel reassured that no one thinks he is a risk, perhaps I overreacted. I have learnt from this, definitely.
I am working on my boundaries, and having support with this.
Thanks again, I really do appreciate people taking the time.

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 08/01/2022 10:50

I suppose the underlying issue of FWB is that you do need to know them and trust them. These hook up sites bypass the trust part - which I think is what you are looking for.

You don’t have to be a victim here - he is making you feel that way and you are playing that part. Stop! Block and ignore.

Infuture I would consider meeting at a hotel rather than invite them back to your home. It’s your sanctuary and where you should feel safe.

Winniemarysarah · 08/01/2022 10:51

This is a non issue op. You had a few shags then made out you didn’t want to see anyone at all so broke up with him. He’s noticed your profile is still up so sent a couple of hopeful messages over a number of weeks. You should have just told him you weren’t interested in him. Reporting him to the police is ridiculous. Just block him and move on.

LeifSan · 08/01/2022 10:56

Honestly @Omniscope don’t apologise - it’s much better to come and write a long post here and sense check and get some support than it would be to ignore red flags or put up with something you don’t find comfortable. Smile

EarthSight · 08/01/2022 11:01

However the last one says he has seen me online on the site where we met. He is wondering if I am ready to consider talking

You could reply with -

No thank you - as I have previously stated, we will not be continuing any friendship, FWB or otherwise. Please note that if if you continue to contact me after this message I will take it as an invasion of my privacy and will be contacting the police.

After that, block him and follow through with what you said.

*

I'm not sure what you are into sexually and how extreme it is, so I'm making this post based on a set of possibilities that might not be true, but you said -

The things I want to explore do centre on someone being in charge of me

You have a very clear line of what is fantasy, and what is reality, however, you're playing with fire here.

You might be able to separate what you like sexually from the rest of your personality, but that is not a given with everyone, especially with men who are very dominant in bed.

If a man is very sexually dominant and actively peruses partners he wants to try things out with that many women wouldn't necessarily want to do, what makes you think that those tendencies stay in a little box with a lock & key on it?

There is a reason why many men are particularly dominant in the bedroom, and it's because they like controlling women generally. What they like in the bedroom is a natural extension of that, not some kind of random anomaly.

From the research that I read a while ago about this, sexual domination fantasies are usually integrated within someone's greater personality traits. If you add the fact that it's men who do almost all sexual offending, then combine those two together and it's a real risk to meet men online for this kind of FWB.

It's not convenient to think of sexuality in this way. Again, I have no idea how extreme you want to go with this, but next time you're looking for a partner who wants to 'take charge of you' and other things......ask yourself......what kind of man would enjoy doing this to a woman and get sexually excited from it?

Madamswearsalot · 08/01/2022 11:18

FWIW I think that you are being eminently sensible. Ignore the people who are saying you sound like hard work and that you're over dramatising things. Your instinct is shouting at you and you are listening to it - that is very important.

This guy sounds awful, continously pushing boundaries, needy and not taking no for an answer after you've been clear. You've said several times you don't want to antagonise him - that says to me that you felt he has the potential to get nasty if he doesn't like what you've said. It's not unreasonable to be cautious about what you do next.

Screenshot/save anything you think is relevant then block. If you can block him on the fwb site then do that too. I wouldn't get back in touch - from your perspective you're telling him to leave you alone, from his the content is not relevant he'll just think that you're keeping communications open.

You are probably prone to blaming yourself for everything that ever goes wrong. Being able to see multiple perspectives is an excellent skill but does mean one can have a tendency to excuse things and dismiss the feelings that are a genuine reaction to them.

ChargingBuck · 08/01/2022 11:34

OP, I agree you should contact WA & I hope you make it a priority.

Less because this man has worried you - but much, much more about how much time & effort you have put into that massive OP, all of it centred on you feeling somehow guilty & self-blaming, & looking to justify yourself as if you have done something wrong.

Let me reassure you - you have done nothing wrong!
All that has happened is that you had a dalliance, your FWB got over-intense, you have backed off ... but he has requested that you don't block him & you have for some peculiar reason possibly still connected with guilt, have complied!

You owe this intrusive man nothing.
All your instincts were sound - you simply didn't act on them quickly & forcefully enough. That's hardly crime of the century, is it?

This is why I urge you to contact WA.
Also, do this course - www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/online.php
& read this article - www.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/

For right now - I don't think you need to report this man. A much simpler option is simply to block him.
May I siggest that you don't tie yourself in knots overthinking this? You seem to have a tendency to JADE - outofthefog.website/what-not-to-do-1/2015/12/3/jade-dont-justify-argue-defend-explain - & this is what I think is weakening your boundaries.

When you set a boundary, you don't need to JADE it.
It's not a negotiation. You don't need anyone else's permission to erect & maintain your boundary.
The only requirement of you is, when it becomes relevant, to let other people know it is there. If they then seek to breach it - you do not JADE it - you walk away.

When you do The Freedom Programme you will recognise that while your instincts were sound, you allowed this FWB to keep needling at your boundary, instead of walking away. You told him several times to back off, told him what level of comms you were comfortable with - but he kept pushing.
At that point, instead of another request, or any JADE about telling him YET AGAIN about your boundary - it was time to walk away.

You know this intellectually - but it's harder to apply to ourselves than it is to see it in others, or in a work context as you have experience of.
Do do The Freedom Programme, & learn how to build your Shark Cage without needing to justify it or hope that a man respects it. The first sign of disrespect - you state your boundary clearly. Once.
The second time - you are off.
Dump, block, & do not enter into any discussion about it.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/01/2022 11:40

I think people are being a bit hard on op
Sometimes people to get it all down in writing

Be careful op though
Some strange people out there

SoItWas · 08/01/2022 11:42

I would message him one more time, something along the lines of "You'll be much happier dating someone else. I hoped, at the start, that we were on the same page/compatible, but we're clearly not. This hasn't worked out, but hopefully we'll both find what we're looking for soon, best of luck."
A text so he can definitely see it, after you've blocked him? Then block him on everything.

You'd maybe be better taking a break from dating at this point, and invest in a decent vibrator? I'm not being glib, I found myself wanting just the sex, without the rest, but it's too difficult to not get attached, so this is what I did, when I was horny and at the point of boots calling ex's, I'd please myself, and 8/10 Times, I'd be soo relieved I didn't invite some twat into my house, just to scratch an itch, and wasn't now contemplating how to wake them up/get them to go home...

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/01/2022 11:43

ChargingBuck
Well said 🙏🙌🙌
It’s bloody hard to date again after the freedom programme !!!!
I started looking for something sexual and jaysus
It’s was a continent of red flags 🚩

I learnt the hard way and am managing a wee bit better this time around

SoItWas · 08/01/2022 11:43

*boots booty

OakRowan · 08/01/2022 11:44

You undereacted to him pushing at the boundaries of what you keep saying you don't want, for too long. He kept going, you kept being uncomfortable but kept in touch. If you don't want a close relationship to develop, say so, it isn't working for you, end it and move on. Block him, leave it behind and make sure it doesn't happen again. Nothing to report.

OakRowan · 08/01/2022 11:46

And 100% what ChargingBuck said, spot on!

PermanentTemporary · 08/01/2022 11:49

I think your instincts are pretty good. Just block him, with a final message saying you're doing so if you want to be clear.

But don't worry so much! This is supposed to be fun.

I like control stuff as well, and it does mean having an extra layer to consider. I didn't muck about with bondage with strangers for example - I stayed mobile! But it does mean you're deliberately removing some mental protection. That's what is so hot about it of course.

I like the sound of your monthly no stress guy. I had something similar but unfortunately I found once a month was like torture and I became the stalker... but perhaps it works for you?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/01/2022 11:51

SoItWas
I got you , and great advice

I need to get a new one and improve my me time for the same reasons 🍆

SoItWas · 08/01/2022 11:54

Also, remember, women often fair much better on dating sites, than men. The average woman's inbox may be filled to the brim, while the average man may only get a handful of messages/replies.

I think it makes these men (who aren't good at picking women up, irl), more likely to cling on, because their future prospects won't be as good. When the find a "keeper" sometimes they want to hold on tight, (even if only to keep her in the back burner, just in case).

chaosrabbitland · 08/01/2022 12:11

meeting random people online you dont know from adam is always going to be risky , the bottom like is it sounds like he wanted more as in a relationship and you just want to meet him have a shag and for him to then fuck off , you just need to block him on everything as others have said . i would say online dating does have its risks , meeting someone on a website for casual sex will be even more so ,
maybe if you decide to do this again you need to be clearer as in you are only looking for casual sex , because a fwbs thing always has potential to turn into something else as in this person you are meeting for these nice chats and coffees then decides they like you and want more .

Viviennemary · 08/01/2022 12:13

He was keener than you. You should have nipped it in the bud when he started wanting to get closer. But you didn't. Its a story as old as time. Now he will be left wondering what he did wrong. Just like lots of women on here who get ghosted and ignored after they thought they had a promising start to a relationship.

FlowerFlour · 08/01/2022 13:01

OP, I agree you should contact WA & I hope you make it a priority.

Less because this man has worried you - but much, much more about how much time & effort you have put into that massive OP, all of it centred on you feeling somehow guilty & self-blaming, & looking to justify yourself as if you have done something wrong.

I agree with this. Have you considered getting therapy Op? This guy was supposed to be a casual thing and you've somehow become tied up in knots with it; that's not how flings should be!

You say you told him your boundaries and he overstepped them - then they are not boundaries. Boundaries are enforced, not just words. You said 'not that', if he did 'that' then you throw him right into the bin.

Your confusion is all caused by how women are socialised to be polite. You don't want to offend him by blocking him; who cares if he's offended?! He's just some random pushy guy from an Internet site. Block him immediately and don't waste any more time ruminating on it.

RedCandyApple · 08/01/2022 13:55

There really is nothing to report, I agree you are making this into a drama when there is no need, there is nothing at all to report, and stop sending nudes to strangers, people say don’t victim blame but I’m sorry if you send nudes to strangers then it’s your own fault if they share them. The whole point is you can’t trust a stranger! You met twice!

RedCandyApple · 08/01/2022 14:05

Just block him and I do think meeting someone purely for sex is more risky as I’m guessing he now knows where you live? Sorry if he doesn’t as I can’t read the whole op again, whereas on a dating site most women won’t bring a man back to their house on the first or second date so if he did turn out to be a weirdo at least he wouldn’t know where they lived, or if you went to his that’s a massive risk as well.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 08/01/2022 14:36

RedCandyApple

You’ve totally missed the point
The nudes are not the issue
Not is the casual sex

It’s the fact she wants casual and he’s gone way stalky on her and is freaking her out

People should be free to pursue whatever sexual adventures they like without prissy judgement

We are adults here

RedCandyApple · 08/01/2022 14:41

No i havent, the op is very naive thinking she can send nudes to a stranger and trust them not to show anyone/ post them online. If she doesn’t want people to comment on that then she shouldn’t include it in her post. She even says in her post she should be able to send nudes to strangers and trust them 🤦‍♀️ How naive can you be.