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Husband left me and my teenage children on New Year. I have no idea what to do now. (Content warning: concerns sexual abuse and domestic violence)

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FrolickingFannyBoots · 06/01/2022 05:39

Hello all lovely ladies on mumset, I really really need some help in a crisis situation please. I have no one to turn to at the moment and am totally alone.

The day before New Year, my husband of almost 20 years walked out on us and went to his parent's house. He has been having an emotional and possible sexual affair for some time I believe and I was suspicious for two years. Typical middle aged man, younger woman scenario. I am 50 and she is early 30's. She has been after him for more than a a year now and has moved moved down to London from Glasgow to be near him. He helped her move here and is now involved
much more closely.

He has become cruel, unkind and heartless toward me, speaking with a different voice, sending me authoritative emails about when he is returning to collect his things and stating that he is not going to divorce yet. The house is in his name and he says he will not sell. I simply do not recognise him and my kids are absolutely devastated.

Last month, we were buying gifts for parents and friends together in a antique shop. He bought a Molton Brown Christmas bauble saying it was for his mum. I thought it was odd as he has never been interested in toiletries. Later that week, I found that and the same set of hand creams he had bought me in a bag with pants, new ladies black t shirts and socks by his desk - I knew it was a bag packed to go to this woman. She is Polish and works in IT. They met at a mutual friend's wedding in the Czech Republic in 2019.

Before he left last week, I tried to reason with him to save our marriage. I consented to sex ( it's been many months ) but he then basically rammed my legs open, shoved himself inside me, had an orgasm. He came out, turned over and went to sleep. He hurt me. he has never done that before, but because i initially consented to help keep him at home , I cannot claim rape .The next day he said he had angry sex, that he had used me and taken advantage of me. I wish I had recorded this!

He has now kept on and on texting me with accusations of my emotional abuse abuse in arguments; throwing lots and lots of text messages etc at me from the past. He has recorded all out arguments and sent them to me as evidence. But they actually show even in 2018 that I was asking him about our relationship and how unhappy I was. He never replied to the issues I raised properly. I admit I have behaved badly in arguments and shouted but never threatened him in any way.

Last year, he hit me with a bottle after a row which was thrown across the room and caused me extensive bruising all across on my arm, a large hematoma and significant pain. I did not press charges. He says that I am the abusive partner due to my verbal bullying. I do have photos.

He now states he is leaving me but not my children. He tells me he does not love me, never has and wishes he never married me. He is demanding to return to the house after leaving last week to see my 3 teenage kids aged 14,16 and 17. They do not want to see him.

He says he will come back, see them, collect his things and go back home to his mum and dad for good. He is insisting on a trial separation and will not divorce me until he is ready. That he will keep
me in in our family home ( an area I really don't like or want to stay in) until my youngest is 18. He is dominating every conversation and interaction we have now. He refuses to respond via text most days and calls me instead when convenient for him. He has suggested that the come home at weekends only and stay at his mums during the week. \he says he will not come home again to stay as I am forcing him into a relationship again where he will be abused by me verbally and I'm a bully. He says alternatively I could leave. Yet just last week he was out with me going for a long walk and a take out coffee.

I have nor slept or eaten at all well since he left. In November, 2019 I just started a new job full time in education after a 17 year break as a stay at home mum. About 2 weeks into this, he started telling me I was awful, how wanted to leave and goaded me every day stating he no longer wanted the relationship and that he was leaving. I ran off on the day he told me day last month and went to my local woods to walk, think and had a drink to calm myself down after he stated he was leaving. He said if I did that again he was leaving.

I believe he has been planning this exit for a long time with this woman. He says he is as his parent's house. I have begged him to come home but he says I am controlling and manipulating him.

I do not know what to do. Should I file for divorce? He is saying that he will work at his parents and come up weekends to see the kids and help with the house but has left me. I do not think that this is helpful as he will be with this woman while I am alone. He is very evasive about the relationship and tells me nothing about it. He has been very secretive for months and months. I was so suspicious- I tried every thing to get evidence.

He wants to wait for the no fault divorce but I do not. He has been so so awful to me and rude every day since I started work. I have a large abdominal hernia and separated abdominal muscles. I need
significant surgery plus have diagnosed mental health conditions and am in in NHS therapy. I am quite weak. He is younger, no health problems. l I live in a small town with no support. I cannot drive and he has taken the car. I have nothing now. I am on compassionate leave from my work as I am trying to help support my children and am too distressed to work in school with the stress. he says I should just go to work as get on as normal.

If anyone could provide me with some advice I would be very grateful. I am at a total loss. I can barely write and it's been a few days now. This man has blind sided me, although I was very suspicious,. He has abandoned me and the children taking no responsibility.

He is just blaming and accusing me saying its all my fault. He will not return and says if he comes back he comes to see the kids and then will go back to his parents. I have no family to help or friends, I am alone here. I had no notion that he would leave like this, he has clearly been encouraged and prompted by this woman to leave me and built up to it He says he wants divorce later but no decision has been made. My two elder kids are in their final year of exams- my son Year 11, daughter Yr 13. This is so so stressful for them but they don't see the long term consequences. He says he will never be reconciled to me ever again.

I have £600 in my account and that's it. Should I apply for a divorce? What should I do ? I can't have him here just waling back in and dominating me. He has said that if he stays, he will have sex with her and then come back regularly after 3 days. He then asks me if I am in love with him and talks about our cats. He is expecting me to just carry on as normal while he leaves me with no support or help with my physical problems. The house is in need of real repair and renovation, it's in quite a state and he's just left me with it here in a poor condition,. I cannot run it alone with no notice. I have stated all this to him in texts but he ignores me.

Sorry this is long. I am desperate. I have no money, no car, friends of support, My job is minimum wage due to my physical problem of my hernia stopping me working in my old career as a teacher. My DH has literally upped and gone and turned into this awful awful man who now thinks I'm scum. He is so rude to me now and just exopect me to continue as normal without him. He told me he said in his mind- "just one more row over something small and that's it" Yet he is now making me go over and over all out rows from 4-5 years ago. I gave up my career, my health and life to move to Kent from London to facilitate his life. What should I do? Should I cut contact? I am just devastated by this.

Thank you for any advice. I really appreciate it.

OP posts:
pompomsgalore · 09/01/2022 06:11

He's an absolute bastard who's banking on you not doing any research or thinking for yourself. He thinks he's your boss and controller.

PROVE HIM WRONG

Onthedunes · 09/01/2022 07:51

Hello op

You must be so mixed up at the moment, so much advice, very good advice but you are currently in trauma.
Hard to take anything in when emotions are heightened, you're on anti depressants and drinking on top.

First of all eat, sleep and drink, you will be going through intense periods of anger and then utter loss where you feel like curling up into a ball.

Understand this trauma, you are co dependant on your abuser and he is still controlling you. He will continue to order your every move and you will be afraid to contradict what he says.

You very much need an advocate for your mental health at the moment.

First phone Women's Aid they will help you navigate the divorce and help advise solicitors and maybe legal aid.

Next go the GP, print off your intital op and if you have trouble talking or explaining, give them that to read, it is consise and shows clearly some of what you have gone through.

Your health, I would phone to apply for PIP, you do not sound well enough for full time work at the moment and you have health issues, set that ball rolling.

Also go to CAB and they wil help with form filling and advice with benefits. Try to do one thing a day, you must be exhausted with all of this pain.

Definitely contact the DV helpline, they may assist with restraining orders and councelling because this man is going to take some time to get over, he's a dreadful bully and extremely cruel and I can see by some of your later posts you are begining to pacify him again, you are in fear of him.

Now that fear will only go if you are away from him, he knows by keeping in contact with you, he can keep you living in fear.
It's as simple as that, he knows you want him but that wanting of him means he can keep controlling you.

He's not stupid.
Now, try to be fearless, call Womens Aid first, get the ball rolling. You must stand up to him, with others behind you, we will be here to ask anything you need.

You are worried about his carreer ending if you report his abuse, well that's his problem, he should have thought about that instead of being a bastard.

He is no longer your responsibility, show him no mercy, just as he has showed you none.

xx

Flowers for you

Ithinkitstime · 09/01/2022 13:14

@moremoony hear hear! 👏👏👏

CornishGem1975 · 09/01/2022 13:25

A lot of solicitors offer 30 mins free advice. You should be able to find one locally.

FrolickingFannyBoots · 09/01/2022 13:54

Thank you everyone for all this extra support. I’m very tired today.

I will find my mojo I’m sure soon. I’ll contact Women’s Aid, PIP for my health tomorrow as I can’t do much today on a Sunday.

The advice here is great. I’ve had s recommendation for a good lawyer as well so I’ll chase that up tomorrow.

I can’t believe how lovely and caring everyone is! It’s so nice as I feel very isolated. I really do appreciate everyone’s care xx

Thank you moremoney, you have really picked me up this afternoon! Flowers

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ScribblingPixie · 09/01/2022 14:06

Good for you, OP. Not too late for a sunny walk in the fresh air if you haven't been out yet - so bright & cheering today. Tomorrow you'll get the chance to move forward a little bit.

StellaGibson118 · 09/01/2022 14:13

Even though it is mega shitty to experience, the giving you money, hiding the rest away and then reducing this money as he loses control over you is fantastic evidence of financial abuse. Back it up somewhere as with Monzo you can close accounts very easily. Take pictures of it with another device or screenshot it if it allows you to (Starling which is similar doesn't allow you to unless you go into the settings and you get a time period for which you are able to screenshot).

RatOnArt · 09/01/2022 14:59

So tomorrow is your day; you’re seeking legal advice. Please make this a priority as soon as you get up.

I’m confused by the financial situation…so you’ve got £600…great you are not without money.

Presumably DH is still paying the mortgage, bills etc? You are employed but off sick…are you receiving sick pay? Don’t give up this job.

DH is putting money on a joint Monzo card, presumably for food?

Is everyone fed, watered and bills/mortgage covered?

You’re panicking about things that haven’t happened yet. And people here are enjoying the drama. You’re okay, you’re safe and tomorrow you’re going to ask an expert (not Mumsnet) what to do next.

hivemindneeded · 09/01/2022 15:22

OP, on a practical note: you say you can't return to teaching because of the hernia. But you could tutor. Tutoring is well paid - between £20-50 ph depending on subject and level, and up to £200ph for 'super tutors' with a track record of outstanding results. You can tutor in your own home, after school and at weekends, or via Zoom and Skype, if you have no car and mobility is tricky. It's definitely worth considering as a source of income long term. There's no retirement age. I know women who tutor well into their eighties and are very well paid and sought after.

Also, I just read your OP. He will only communicate by phone, eh? Nope. Just don't answer if you see it's him. Let the landline always run onto answer machine before you pick up and just don't answer if he calls your mobile. Get everything in writing via email instead. Just don't operate in any other form of communication. If you have no other option, record all calls.

A lovely empowering approach is to sound calm and pleasant at all times but not budge an inch. It's incredibly effective. Try it for fun. Listen to all his preposterous demands without retaliating or committing to anything, then say you'll have a think. And then do exactly what you want and need to do.

004aga · 09/01/2022 15:53

This could be a good idea to give you a bit of head space. you can get free sim cards for pay as you go phones if you have an old mobile hanging about. Put your current sim in that, and give your new number to everyone that you need to contact like work, school, family etc. Then use your old sim purely for him contacting you which you can ignore. . You can control it completely then.

NettleTea · 09/01/2022 16:04

and dont forget child maintannance. if he is already fucking about with money, get a claim going ASAP

Graphista · 09/01/2022 17:53

I simply do not recognise him

Sadly this is often what happens hence "estrangement"

Not up to him whether you divorce yet or house is sold or whatever you can divorce him. Weirdly not for infidelity without concrete proof of either a baby that can be dna tested or photos or similar (I was shocked to learn that one!) but you can cite unreasonable behaviour and list the infidelity in your reasons, also the abandonment etc

He may not consider that rape - I certainly would! But yes it would be tricky to prove - but again could be cited in YOUR divorce of HIM

There HAS and continues to be domestic abuse - I think you have proof of this so you would be eligible for legal aid for the divorce

https://www.gov.uk/legal-aid/domestic-abuse-or-violence

Speak to women's aid and I have also heard good things about this organisation on here and irl :

https://www.ncdv.org.uk

They both are usually good at being able to recommend good lawyers experienced in dv in your local area.

I think you normally get a free consultation with a solicitor

Not true for regular solicitors

SOME are kind enough to offer an initial consultation on a pro bono or later payment basis

@treesandweeds apologist much?! Terrible post!

Other practicalities :

1 get your own bank account COMPLETELY Separate from his totally different banking group - use THIS account NOT the Monzo for payments to you from Dwp, child benefit etc

2 collate all legal and financial paperwork

3 start claims with cms and Dwp asap - partly as it takes ages, partly as they only back date to date of initial claim so the sooner the better

4 keep a diary, speak to your gp re evidence of violence/abuse

5 unfortunately I think you may need to consider a full sti screening to be on the safe side

6 do not tell him or the dc anything he could use against you. I'll probably get flamed for that but dc wouldn't do so maliciously but you just need to be cautious

7 communicate as much as possible via written media so you have a "paper trail"

Without a court order in place he can't demand to see the dc. What do they want to do? Because they're of an age a court would very much take into account what they wanted.

You NEED a lawyer that specialises in DA

and any court will say I have to stay in the house with them.

Bullshit - he's having you on!

Seriously get cracking with the claiming stuff tomorrow first thing. Find a lawyer that specialises in DA and get legal aid sorted.

Good luck to you you're coping with a lot!

pompomsgalore · 09/01/2022 18:05

You can apply for Universal credit on a Sunday. X

Graphista · 09/01/2022 18:36

Oh really? Excellent - do that then op

BigBunnyJones · 09/01/2022 20:25

Some great advice here:

Try not to fight, but don't be a push over
Get financial support such as UC
Consider tutoring as an income to help your financial situation
Let the kids see him if they want to
Get professional help from a solicitor and not from MN - too many people on here who are still in a raw situation and projecting that.

itchscratcherz · 09/01/2022 22:33

I have read your posts. Oh this sounds such a mess OP I hope you will wake tomorrow with a clear head and go and see someone who can help?

How come you don’t have any family or friends? What’s happened to end up like that? You must learn how to drive too it will be such a liberating thing for you! I’m hoping these things aren’t down to your hubby!

FrolickingFannyBoots · 10/01/2022 03:10

Hi itch- lots of reasons really. I used to have friends when I lived in London but we moved to a quiet corner of Kent in a small town near Whitstable with lots of retired folk so I didn’t meet anyone new and was busy with childcare.

Plus my health isn’t great so I haven’t worked and I’m a shy reserved person. It’s been mostly circumstances that have affected me. The more out of the way area means I really need to drive. It’s
been convenient for my husband but not for me. The school I work in as a TA now is very sweet but only a small school with so not many new people to meet.

I’m not in contact with my mum and my dad lives abroad. I’m an only child with no extended family except my distant cousin who I don’t know well. So it’s been a mixture of things really that’s kept me where I am. Not exactly my husbands fault although he tends to not socialise with me much. He has a band and goes out with his mates from that but won’t really go out with me much. Just the odd lunch.

I do think this area is pretty and I love the sea but has not much to offer me in terms of community. I did try my local church here but it was not particularly welcoming.

OP posts:
ClawedButler · 10/01/2022 10:15

It's time to get angry, OP.

It's time to stop listening to his self-serving waffle.

The "free" half-hour consultation with a lawyer is usually about them assessing whether or not they can act for you - it's not to give you free legal advice.

But you do need to speak to this lawyer you have found urgently. It can be a relief to just lay all your cards on the table, explain the full situation wrt your money, living situation and ability to work.

Of course he's saying you can't divorce him - it's not in his interests, is it. So he's trying to bamboozle you. But you can't legally force someone into marriage, nor can you legally force someone to stay in a marriage.

He lies.
He isn't trustworthy.
He's nasty.
He thinks he's in control of everything.
He thinks you're stupid and malleable.

He deserves to have his arse handed to him on a plate, the jumped-up little Hitler.

Find your inner tiger! You can do this - you don't get to be head of a department if you're not capable and intelligent, so USE THAT.

minniesdragg · 10/01/2022 12:30

Oh love, I am so sorry. I cant believe the inner bastard that resides inside some apparently ok men and only emerges into the light in middle age. Such a shock. I feel so angry at him on your behalf.

I came on here to say make sure you dont internalise a SINGLE thing he is accusing you of in this rewriting of history. Dont feel shame when you repeat to people that he never loved you and wished he'd never married you. It is not YOUR shame. That is entirely on him. (And he's talking complete crap anyway.)

i'm sorry to say you married a complete dud. And I found that that is one of the hardest things to get your head round. xxx

Boogaloony · 10/01/2022 13:00

You need to absolutely stop listening to him.

I know you are struggling and I know it's hard so I'm going to be as gentle as I can and nothing of what I say is meant to hurt you.

You need to stop being so soft and dithery. I know ours a shock to you but be realistic. You aren't Co parenting at all. Your children aren't even small children that need much parenting. By the sound of it they are all 15+ and as such they ABSOLUTELY get to choose where they see their dad or not. You are not the hate keeper of that. He doesn't need to go through you but of the kids say they don't want to see him, back them up/ make sure you are out of the house when he turns up. Kids of that age often only see the parents they live with as they are busy with friends etc. That's normal.

You don't need his permission to apply for a divorce. You don't even need legal advice this point although it's recommended you seek it. But it's perfectly possible to get divorced without a solicitor. Just download the forms, fill them in, in triplicate, post them with the fee or the correct fee remission form if you are on a lower income/benefits. Submit them to the court. If you can't come to an agreement about financial settlement then I would go through mediation or a solicitor. Add you put your Career on hold and he has high earnings and lots of pension etc you should come out of this ok. In your shoes I would hope for at least 70% you /30% him as your earnings are impacted for life while his career is already established.

He is not God. Just because he says you must stay in the home, that doesn't make it so. You have already established he is a liar so why are you even listening to him?

Apply for the divorce as a matter of urgency. That would be MY priority.

nogoingbacktothefuture · 10/01/2022 22:51

@FrolickingFannyBoots I'm sorry for your situation. Hopefully today has brought some more answers for you and you're feeling a bit better.
Bit confused though as earlier in the thread you mention your mum and sister and now you are saying you are an only child?

ClawedButler · 11/01/2022 17:07

@FrolickingFannyBoots, have you made any progress re: getting a solicitor?

FrolickingFannyBoots · 11/01/2022 18:16

Hi everyone

Yes I’ve had some basic advice and know my legal rights now. I can take this forward as I choose which is good. I can do the divorce myself so I feel empowered!

I’ve filled in a benefits claim and got the forms for CM.

My local church are coming round in the next few days to support me which is lovely of them.

I’ve had some wonderful messages of support and I really appreciate if all, it’s giving me huge strength.

Just to clarify, I have a half sister but didn’t know about it and was bright up as an only child. She came down a few times to visit us in the 70’s but I was told she was a distant cousin. I going out when I was 25 she was my mother’s daughter. It was she that told me not my parents . She is much older than me.

Sadly we are not close at all and I’ve not seen her for years. I have now told her about my situation and she’s am talking to me, plus recommended a lawyer.

I’m trying to keep strong. Thank you again to everyone. I am reading messages, just trying to sort out things. But I’m so grateful for everyone’s kindness and supporting words.

OP posts:
AgathaX · 11/01/2022 21:17

I'm so pleased you've had legal advice. I hope you've spoken to the police and logged his assaults - your choice but you may be glad further down the line if you do.
I'm glad you're getting some rl support too.

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2022 21:23

That's fantastic, OP. Well done to you.

This is the start of better things for you.

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