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Is this abuse? HELP

57 replies

Morrighanan · 18/12/2021 09:38

Been with partner over 20 years. We have an 11 week old baby. Relationship has never been good (cheating, bad arguments at times) but I wouldn’t have called it abusive(?) and was stable when we started ttc. He has a temper and can be very cruel during arguments. But it seems to have gone off the rails since I was pregnant.

Fertility issues, very much wanted baby girl. First trimester was a stressful time with a move, I remember him shouting at me so much I had panic attacks. But things seemed to get better in my second trimester.

Start of third and things went completely to shit. He got COVID and was quite ill and then on return to work got sacked from his job. They claimed he was lying about attending jobs, he says he wasn’t (GPS tracker on van though so not sure how that works). He badgers me to get a job at my place, faced with being penniless on mat leave I pull strings.
At this point we are arguing all the time, I don’t remember a lot but just crying a lot in the shower apologising to my baby for crying so much.

I have the baby and it’s a traumatic experience (induced, long back labour, emcs, ga). He’s the perfect birth partner and post birth is perfect for 3 weeks. Then 2 days before he goes back to work the treating me cruelly comes back. I’m being told I can’t do anything, I’m useless, lazy etc.
He’s screaming and swearing at me whilst I or he hold baby, busting into the room whilst I’m showering to berate me. Telling me i sit at home and do nothing all day whilst he works, that breastfeeding is easy. Refusing to help with any night feeds or changes on the very rare occasion I ask as I’m too tired to stay awake holding baby. He starts destroying things during arguments that he has to replace like tv remote. Calling me names like psychopath, head case, horrible awful person.

Things reach a head one day and I tell him I can’t cope anymore and to leave. He throws a plate at the wall and broke a present I had bought someone. He screams at me over and over that I’m fucking scum, that he doesn’t want to be with me anymore.
Goes to his mums. Comes back and I stupidly take blame for most of it and try to resolve

Fights continue, he’s still losing his temper constantly. But I somehow feel like it might be ok.I get mental health support and he tells me to be careful what I reveal in terms of my own mental state in case they take the baby away from me

Last night, baby is crying out of nowhere and we don’t know why. She’s crying whenever he goes near her and I suggest it might be the aftershave he sprayed everywhere and to please take a shower. He does but uses strong scented body wash, and I ask him why he did that and rub my face in frustration. He explodes and slams his fist onto the changing table where the baby is currently lying, crying her heart out.
Instinct kicks in, push him away from her and take her in my arms, get her dressed and walk her round to sleep, ignoring him whilst he tries to talk to me like nothing happened. Once she’s asleep I tell him to get the fuck out and go to his mums. He tells me it’s my fault for nagging him and rubbing my face. Then goes weirdly calm and tells me I’m overreacting and unstable and he’s worried what I might do. I Tell him I never want to see him again, to contact me through his mum because I want zero contact

My dad was abusive, always shouting. Me and my sister are traumatised. I can’t let my daughter live with this, can I? Is this abuse? How do I leave? We are not married, don’t own a house. I am afraid I will cave and go back like I always do. I am afraid he will use my mental health against me

OP posts:
HPandTheNeverEndingBedtime · 18/12/2021 11:33

Social services might get involved but they are not there to take children away from a loving, caring parent unless that is the only way to keep them safe ie the parent let's the abuser back in their lives and the childs life is at risk. You would be amazed/shocked at the number of families that have social services support.

Dontknowwhyidoit · 18/12/2021 12:11

As long as SS know that you are putting your child's needs first such as keeping her safe then they will support you. I would definitely speak to womens aid or similar service and get advice on what you can do with regards to either getting emergency accommodation and seeking a restraining order so that there will be consequences if he tries to bully or persuade you to give it another go. I hope you can keep up your resolve as I know from being in a similar situation many years ago how hard it is as you can't think straight and fear of the unknown can cripple you. Take care of yourself.

IAmMeThisIsI · 18/12/2021 12:35

Was crying reading your post OP. You said you're worried about your own ability to stay gone? As you've mentioned this will be daughter's first Christmas. Now, you know this is an excuse you're using to yourself so do just that: use it. Promise your daughter a brighter future this Christmas. Stay away from him and a new, lifetime gift for your baby this first Christmas. Use the motivation of your baby to stay away from him. And get angry not apologetic and guilty. Everytime you cry, kick back inside your heart with feelings of anger that he's done this to you and made your baby's future potentially miserable. How dare he. His punches to the furniture will end up being you soon. Then maybe your baby. Please, please break free of this monster for your baby.

JoAnnewithanE · 18/12/2021 12:45

Yes it is abuse And baby is picking up on it. - have a look on the safenet website it has some good info x

Funnylittlefloozie · 18/12/2021 12:48

I’m really terrified of social services and things getting involved, it was always a huge fear when I was a child

If they had got involved when you were a child, you might not have had to grow up in such a terrifying home. Please don't allow history to repeat itself with your daughter. Don't wait until her dad breaks her leg or her ribs before you make that decision to keep her safe.

thetinsoldier · 18/12/2021 13:17

Why on earth did you stay with him so long if your relationship was so awful?

You and your dd need to escape. He's an awful, dangerous man. Your poor dd. Is there anyone IRL you can stay with or talk to?

Who owns your house? Would he leave?

I bet your mh would be a million times better without him.

Malibuismysecrethome · 18/12/2021 13:28

He slammed his fist onto the changing mat that your little baby girl was laying on and you need to ask? Why are you even still with him

JustKeepSwimmingJust · 18/12/2021 13:54

I was in a similar position and did get referred to social services. They...

  • helped me get an occupation order to keep xh out of the house
  • helped organise supervised contact
  • managed to get xh to have mh support
  • gave me advice on identifying abusive patterns
  • gave ds (older than your dd) some emotional support

Nothing scary for me, and only scary for xh because he was forced to face consequences of his behaviour.

CactusLemonSpice · 18/12/2021 14:03

You did the right thing writing this down because reading it there is NO WAY anyone would think that the risk here is from you. He is absolutely an abuser. You have done so well to get him to go, especially with him undermining you and trying to make you feel crazy.

You are not crazy or a risk to your baby. He is abusing you and saying that to undermine you and make you feel like you can't do this without him. He also is trying to make excuses for his abusive behaviour. There is no excuse. You absolutely can do this without him. And you will do and feel so much better without the constant anxiety about what he will do next.

I can't believe he punched the table where baby lay crying. Well done for seeing that for the terrible thing it is. It takes a lot of courage.

Please get some support to help keep you safe and to help you heal from this awful abuse. Life will be so much better without him.

Dryfaithlessness · 18/12/2021 14:08

They bark before they bite!!!!

I hate to say it op but He's going to hurt you or your baby next time he looses his shit,

You need to leave him!

CactusLemonSpice · 18/12/2021 14:09

Can I just add that you absolutely are going to give your baby a happy family - you are clearly a thoughtful and strong mother who will give baby a lovely warm, calm home which is free from abuse. That is the happiest kind of family there is.

Pinkbonbon · 18/12/2021 14:12

Social serves will be nothing but supportive and helpful to you provided you stay away from the abusive father. The only reason they may take a child from you would be if you stayed living with this monster and they found out what was going on.

You aren't crazy, you're just being abused. The further you stay from him, for the longer you do so, your mind will clear and you'll feel sane and at peace and happy once again.

lilmishap · 18/12/2021 14:31

OP I grew up in a chaotic home but also spent time in care. As an adult I had two kids with an abuser and SS became involved last year, I could not believe how different they are.

They are VERY clued up about DV and you have reacted perfectly.

This IS abuse, your mums ideas about abuse are fucked up by her own experiences, too many women don't consider it 'proper' abuse unless they've suffered serious injury.

OP you are doing EVERYTHING right and your instincts are serving you well, you can trust yourself. This is wrong and you know that your baby needs better than this so you've made moves to attain that.

Keep going.

lilmishap · 18/12/2021 14:34

He went weirdly quiet because you came in like a mother protecting your baby rather than his partner trying to appease him.

You found your inner strength and he could see that you fucking meant it so he behaved himself, because the abuse IS a choice that he makes.

CheshireKitten123 · 18/12/2021 14:48

"Relationship has never been good (cheating, bad arguments at times) but I wouldn’t have called it abusive(?)"

Cheating is abuse OP

www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/getting-help-for-domestic-violence/

viques · 18/12/2021 14:51

Social services will support you and work with you. They don’t want to have to take a child into care when they have a loving parent willing and able to care for them.

But nor do they want to be the social worker coming to your house to pick up the pieces because you have let your abuser come back into your life, you are going to have to be very strong, because he won’t be happy that you are escaping his power and will try his hardest to wheedle his way back into your life. Do not fall for it. Stay strong, look at your beautiful daughter and imagine her life without him, how she will grow up emotionally strong, independent and confident in her relationships. Help her to be the one who breaks the abusive relationship pattern that has blighted two generations of your family.

Write down every instance of abuse. Keep it close by, read it every time he tries to contact you. Reach out to other people, to your local women’s aid refuge, local women’s groups, your gp, your health visitor, friends, relations, anyone and everyone who can support you through bad times. Even us anonymous MN chat roomers, there is always someone here in the wee small hours to hold a hand and let you vent.

Flowers take care of yourself.

Morrighanan · 18/12/2021 16:32

Thank you everyone, I’m reading these comments over and over every time I start to feel guilty or at fault. I’ve told my best friend what’s going on and we are talking about it.

He started emailing (blocked on all SM) and ringing me, eventually picked up to ask what he wanted. Wanted me to unblock him even though he’s done with me so he can ask about the baby, I said I would as long as he didn’t send me any more abusive texts and he started going off on me again so I hung up and unblocked him just to prevent more harassment, so far he hasn’t asked about the baby but has texted me to say he is coming round to get stuff, I think I am either going to stay at my mums until he has hopefully left or have her with me if he’s there when I get home

I am glad he is still being so horrible, if he was being apologetic I feel like I’d give in Sad

The mental health aspect is very scary to me as I have a diagnosis of BPD, I’ve been to therapy and worked really hard and was very stable up until recently. Most times I’ve asked him to leave it’s because his actions make me feel so unstable I am worried about my ability to be a good mum. I’m so scared that he would be able to twist this diagnosis against me. When discussing the perinatal mental health he even said “well you have a very stigmatised diagnosis” and seemed to think it would count against me when assessing me for custody or ability to care for her

OP posts:
Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/12/2021 16:44

Yes he is
And he’s already upsetting your baby
I literally got a few sentences in and I was like red flag 🚩 red flag 🚩

What really helped me was freedom programme
As it’s hard after 20 years
But sitting there, week after week and saying ‘aha ‘ ‘yes’ gives you the strength to end it

And tell people , get your support
Good luck and sending strength

Morrighanan · 18/12/2021 16:44

@Squeezyhug unfortunately his name is in her birth certificate. I even felt dread whilst registering it with him like I was making a mistake

OP posts:
Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/12/2021 16:45

And keep a diary
And write a chronological list of all the shit he’s done
It will really help

Hen2018 · 18/12/2021 16:51

You need proper professional help.
You need a paper trail in case he demands residency.

Phone Women’s Aid.
Phone the police.
After you’ve done that, block him on everything again.
Then make a list of any abuse you can think of with approximate dates.

You need this to get an occupation order and possibly a non-molestation order.

Treat it as a project, just like you would if you needed to sort out any other problem in life.

ForeverQuery · 18/12/2021 16:51

The thing is, you have a duty to protect your daughter, she's hearing all the shouting and stuff that's going on already, don't damage her anymore, disclose this at your appointment and move on together with services to leave this man in the past.

Hen2018 · 18/12/2021 16:54

P.S It doesn’t matter if your mum or anyone else thinks it “was not that bad”. No one knows, apart from you, and you are in charge and will sort it out. You don’t need to justify it.

ShareLove · 18/12/2021 17:00

Omg this sound like hell !!! Get away from him !!! ASAP .
With a newborn baby you’d think he’d be in so deep love and care for you both and help in anyway he can . He doesn’t seem to care and he doesn’t deserve that baby .
My husband is helping me and baby soooo much it’s unbelievable . He does everything for me . He gets up every night with baby he makes me food , he does everything to make things a bit easier for me . It’s sounds like your partner is making things worse for you , omg , he doesn’t support you in any way. Why doesn’t he change or feed the baby at night?!!! I know he works but still you’d do anything in the world for you baby even if your super tired ???? And to help you get a good night sleep !!!! My partner would stay up all night with the baby even if he had work in morning, if I asked him that I needed some sleep . Things will only get worse for you trust me , just get out and leave him. !!! Sorry so sorry you have to go through that Sad

thetinsoldier · 18/12/2021 17:13

It would be good for your dd if social services was involved. They can help to protect her.

Growing up, you had a terrible relationship role model. You'd benefit from doing the Freedom Programme so you can recognise abuse in future and raise your boundaries.

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