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Broody MIL freaking me out

79 replies

vegpatch21 · 24/11/2021 13:44

Need a bit of advice everyone...

My MIL is a wonderful person with whom I've always got along fabulously with. Until my 1st DC was born about three months ago.

Starting from when he was about two weeks old she would whisk him off me and take him to other rooms of her house, cuddling him like he was her own baby and refusing to give him back as well as preventing me from comforting him when he was crying by insisting he wasn't hungry and I should only feed him when he's 'screaming.' For a new hormonal mother you can imagine how i felt. I felt so upset because I couldn't see my DC(she'd take him to another part of the house) and felt i couldn't ask for him back so would have to wait HOURS while she let him sleep on her etc. I would have to get DH to go and retrieve him and she would reluctantly give him up. I would leave weekends spent at her house feeling like I'd been on edge for 48 hours.

This happens every time we see her. She has also been incredibly unsupportive of breastfeeding offering sarcastic comments about how frequently I do it and making out that i'm being strange or overly ambitious for attempting to keep going. She also said (when baby was five weeks old) that baby was just trying to manipulate me when they were crying, saying to me 'stop it, DC doesn't need you to pick them up', so I didn't even though every bit of me wanted to pick up my baby.

The comments about the breastfeeding have eased off somewhat although she still won't give the baby back when DC is clearly hungry. . Now, we're in the situation where I frankly feel a bit traumatised and on guard about seeing her. I used to be the one booking in dates to see my PIL but now i just don't want to, even though her behaviour has improved.

She has recently offered to babysit and my feelings are I don't want to even though she would do a great job & wants to see her DGC ( it's not like we don't see them).

I feel our previously lovely relationship has changed and while i'm sad about that, I feel that I've seen this different side to her which I really don't like. She's always been incredibly judgey of my SIL behind her back but lovely to her face and it got me thinking she's probably got all sorts of opinions about how i'm choosing to parent. The more I've reflected on this i've noticed she absolutely loves to judge other women in the extended family. This isn't something I do or take any pleasure in.

I know I need to get over it and ensure that my DC has a good relationship with her but i suppose the thing that freaks me out is that she sees the baby as her second go at mothering. I am not mega territorial about my baby, very happy to let other people hold them but i guess those other people respect me as the baby's mother, don't offer advice I haven't asked for and don't prevent me from taking my kid back if i want to.

I want to get over this but i think my hormones and primal instincts have been spiked in a way that I can't talk myself out of. They seem to view her as a threat even though I know she just loves her DGC and wants to show it.

How to proceed? I know she's a bit miffed I've stopped speaking to her like I used and that we're not visiting as much as usual. But I just don't want to do more than the bare minimum. It feels like i have to step over my own boundaries to make her happy. i suffered quite a bit of abuse as a child and i suppose this is triggering on some level.

Will it pass when the baby is older? i know she means well. i really do. but i don't want to 'reward' such insensitive behaviour ie how she was in the beginning. Am conflicted !!

OP posts:
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 24/11/2021 19:18

Why has your DH not told her to back off, let alone fuck the fuck off!

GrandmasCat · 24/11/2021 19:39

Same with MIL, but we get along very well nowadays…

… after we went NC with her for three long years!

MintyGreenDream · 24/11/2021 20:07

I think you've been really restrained op I'd have been like "give me my baby back bitch" in a possessed demon voice

Pensieve · 24/11/2021 21:41

I know you’re saying you’ve previously had a good relationship etc. but I’m struggling to understand a dynamic where she doesn’t want to give the baby back for a feed (weird but I can imagine it) and you or DH not immediately say, “give me the baby NOW… for a feed/whatever”. very firmly. She’s obviously batshit and overstepping several lines here but I think you should reflect on personal boundaries that this happened numerous times. Do you feel indebted to them in some other way, does this happen in other areas of your life, not with baby but other things?

Good luck.

reader12 · 24/11/2021 23:08

You need to practice being assertive. Unless you’re recovering physically and can’t walk, there’s no reason to let her behave like this. Just go to the room she’s in and take the baby back. You need to find the tiger mother inside you and protect your baby at all costs. She’ll get over it.

Northernparent68 · 25/11/2021 00:00

I doubt she’ll be a positive influence in your children, I can’t see how it’s in their interests to see that lunatic

billy1966 · 25/11/2021 11:02

@Almostmenopausal

Bloody hell!!! She's abusive. No contact - AT ALL
This.

You don't have to get over anything.

She is awful.

So is your husband allowing this.

Do not allow this awful woman near your baby.

Feedingthebirds1 · 25/11/2021 13:33
  1. Where is your DH in all this? Does he support you, or is he one who will always let his mother have her own way, can't see anything wrong in her behaviour?
  1. My MIL is a wonderful person No she's not: She's always been incredibly judgey of my SIL behind her back but lovely to her face and it got me thinking she's probably got all sorts of opinions about how i'm choosing to parent. The more I've reflected on this i've noticed she absolutely loves to judge other women in the extended family. This isn't something I do or take any pleasure in.

Keep on with your boundaries, and stop being the one who facilitates contact. Don't have a romanticised idea of what it means to a child to have grandparents in their lives. One who separates them from their mother, says that crying is being manipulative and that you should only feed him when he's screaming is not someone you want DS to be around. (I do wonder how she raised your DH.) And why are you spending whole weekends at her house? You need a boundary over that one too - don't go when it makes you (rightly) so anxious.

wombatspoopcubes · 25/11/2021 13:48

That must be so distressing and scary for your baby, being taken away and when they cry for milk/their mum they don't get given back. You cannot allow this. For the sake of your child this needs to stop.

layladomino · 25/11/2021 14:41

My friend's MIL was like this (maybe not as bad actually) when hers were babies / small children.

It came to a head when Grandma referred to herself as 'mummy' once (that we're aware of) when talking to her 4 year old. It wasn't intentional, but it showed what was in her head.

Eastridingclub · 25/11/2021 15:43

I don't know that calling themselves mummy is anything significant. I call my brother by my husband's name and he calls his son my son. Scientific research recently showed it's just because all those names are associated with family.

Iloveacurry · 25/11/2021 15:57

Don’t visit for a while for a start! When you visit again, just take the baby off her. After all, she does that to you.

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 25/11/2021 16:51

@Shedmistress

Can you get a sling for when you visit so that you can keep control of your baby?

Or just don't visit if she can't reign it in.

Great idea! She needs to back off. All your instincts are right as a mother, trust them and trust yourself! She's gone mental & wants to be the baby's no 1!! Only you are no 1 xxx
GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 25/11/2021 21:46

It's time to put your big girl pants on op. Stand your ground, demand age hands your baby back, or better still don't let her hold him.
What's worse, you upset your mil or your baby goes hungry ?

Cherrysoup · 25/11/2021 21:48

In the nicest possible way, OP, stop being such a doormat. You need to stick up for your baby. If he’s crying, you take him off her, no arguments. There’s no her taking him off you and running away. Definitely reduce contact and absolutely no to babysitting until you’re comfortable with it. She does sound like she’s gone a bit mad (first grandchild?). Stop letting her upset you, put some boundaries in, for your sake and that of your poor baby.

Thatsplentyjack · 25/11/2021 21:52

Sounds like your dh isn't that bothered about seeing his parents so why should you be?
She sounds like an absolute arsehole. I would have been following her around her house and demanding my baby back!

ThisMammaCat · 26/11/2021 02:38

Activate your mother bear mode because your MIL is a threat.

As a former baby who was left to cry too much I can vouch for how damaging it is...your MIL seeing crying as manipulative is horrifying. I got major anxiety from your post and I'm just a random stranger... It must be hell for you during the weekend visits! You don't have to go, it's okay to put your baby and yourself above the demands of your MIL.

GreyPurbeckMarble · 26/11/2021 02:59

I have had this exact situation happen to me unfortunately. Our relationship will never be the same again, but we are civil. Only time heals and I would suggest all communication about how you feel to come thought you’re husband

Weatherwax13 · 26/11/2021 03:40

You absolutely do not "have to get over this"
The woman's a complete loon

TarasCrazyTiara · 26/11/2021 04:09

So I’m torn on this one. Yes she has behaved inappropriately but I do think it’s worth either waiting out or gently mentioning (even though it will upset her no doubt) - if she can get over it then act as normal. I do agree with the poster who said next time she won’t give him back simply go and take him, if she has a problem with this or tries to whisk him away then set her straight - most likely however she’ll just hand him over.

I know it might weird you out that she sees him as her second chance at parenting but believe me this is very common with Grandmothers and even though it can be annoying, there may well come a time when you’ll be very thankful for it. Your never going to be able to trust another stranger or friend to want what’s best for your child more than you can trust her.

NC101NC · 26/11/2021 04:20

"She has recently offered to babysit and my feelings are I don't want to even though she would do a great job".

What makes you think she will do a great job? She is telling you not to pick up or feed your baby when they need it. This isn't a 'great job'. It's neglect.

When you want to pick up or feed YOUR baby. Do it. Walk right over and pick them up. Ignore whatever crap she comes out with. It isn't up to her. She's had her own opportunities to parent how she wants to with her own children. She doesn't get to decide how yours is parented.

Kanaloa · 26/11/2021 04:40

To be honest (while your mil attitude is awful) you sound like you’re just being a bit wet about it.

‘I felt I couldn’t ask/she wouldn’t give me the baby.’

Surely you can say ‘give me the baby’ and if she says no you take the child from her and say ‘next time please hand the baby back when I ask for him.’ What would happen in that case?

Kanaloa · 26/11/2021 04:40

I mean surely if you’ve got your hands on the baby and trying to pull it away from her it’s not going to end up as a tug of war/tussle. So - just do that?

PlasticCupPolitics · 26/11/2021 04:53

I would not be allowing anyone that doesn’t prioritise a baby’s needs to babysit, and certainly not anyone that thinks babies are manipulative when they want cuddles. Waiting until a baby is screaming before feeding them? Fuck off. Imagine how anxious and on edge you’d feel if she was the sole carer your baby overnight.

She sounds unhinged, it’s not your job to ensure she has a relationship with her grandchildren. If I were in your shoes, I’d be refusing to see her with my DC, until your DH has made sure her behaviour changed.

Children don’t need grandparents, it isn’t essential to life, you don’t need to get over anything, she needs to change or accept the fact that she can’t see her DGC until she does. Batshit.

lboogy · 26/11/2021 05:18

Sounds list like my mil when I had my first

Her excitement lead her to overstep boundaries. Like you my mil judges every woman she knows but reserves most of her criticism for sil who doesn't tolerate any nonsense

We used to be close pre baby buy her judgmental behaviour and need to comfort baby and give advice on parenting (as if I can't get that from my own mum) turned me off her snd now we are very low contact.