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Broody MIL freaking me out

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vegpatch21 · 24/11/2021 13:44

Need a bit of advice everyone...

My MIL is a wonderful person with whom I've always got along fabulously with. Until my 1st DC was born about three months ago.

Starting from when he was about two weeks old she would whisk him off me and take him to other rooms of her house, cuddling him like he was her own baby and refusing to give him back as well as preventing me from comforting him when he was crying by insisting he wasn't hungry and I should only feed him when he's 'screaming.' For a new hormonal mother you can imagine how i felt. I felt so upset because I couldn't see my DC(she'd take him to another part of the house) and felt i couldn't ask for him back so would have to wait HOURS while she let him sleep on her etc. I would have to get DH to go and retrieve him and she would reluctantly give him up. I would leave weekends spent at her house feeling like I'd been on edge for 48 hours.

This happens every time we see her. She has also been incredibly unsupportive of breastfeeding offering sarcastic comments about how frequently I do it and making out that i'm being strange or overly ambitious for attempting to keep going. She also said (when baby was five weeks old) that baby was just trying to manipulate me when they were crying, saying to me 'stop it, DC doesn't need you to pick them up', so I didn't even though every bit of me wanted to pick up my baby.

The comments about the breastfeeding have eased off somewhat although she still won't give the baby back when DC is clearly hungry. . Now, we're in the situation where I frankly feel a bit traumatised and on guard about seeing her. I used to be the one booking in dates to see my PIL but now i just don't want to, even though her behaviour has improved.

She has recently offered to babysit and my feelings are I don't want to even though she would do a great job & wants to see her DGC ( it's not like we don't see them).

I feel our previously lovely relationship has changed and while i'm sad about that, I feel that I've seen this different side to her which I really don't like. She's always been incredibly judgey of my SIL behind her back but lovely to her face and it got me thinking she's probably got all sorts of opinions about how i'm choosing to parent. The more I've reflected on this i've noticed she absolutely loves to judge other women in the extended family. This isn't something I do or take any pleasure in.

I know I need to get over it and ensure that my DC has a good relationship with her but i suppose the thing that freaks me out is that she sees the baby as her second go at mothering. I am not mega territorial about my baby, very happy to let other people hold them but i guess those other people respect me as the baby's mother, don't offer advice I haven't asked for and don't prevent me from taking my kid back if i want to.

I want to get over this but i think my hormones and primal instincts have been spiked in a way that I can't talk myself out of. They seem to view her as a threat even though I know she just loves her DGC and wants to show it.

How to proceed? I know she's a bit miffed I've stopped speaking to her like I used and that we're not visiting as much as usual. But I just don't want to do more than the bare minimum. It feels like i have to step over my own boundaries to make her happy. i suffered quite a bit of abuse as a child and i suppose this is triggering on some level.

Will it pass when the baby is older? i know she means well. i really do. but i don't want to 'reward' such insensitive behaviour ie how she was in the beginning. Am conflicted !!

OP posts:
SaturdaySummer · 24/11/2021 15:30

@vegpatch21

Need a bit of advice everyone...

My MIL is a wonderful person with whom I've always got along fabulously with. Until my 1st DC was born about three months ago.

Starting from when he was about two weeks old she would whisk him off me and take him to other rooms of her house, cuddling him like he was her own baby and refusing to give him back as well as preventing me from comforting him when he was crying by insisting he wasn't hungry and I should only feed him when he's 'screaming.' For a new hormonal mother you can imagine how i felt. I felt so upset because I couldn't see my DC(she'd take him to another part of the house) and felt i couldn't ask for him back so would have to wait HOURS while she let him sleep on her etc. I would have to get DH to go and retrieve him and she would reluctantly give him up. I would leave weekends spent at her house feeling like I'd been on edge for 48 hours.

This happens every time we see her. She has also been incredibly unsupportive of breastfeeding offering sarcastic comments about how frequently I do it and making out that i'm being strange or overly ambitious for attempting to keep going. She also said (when baby was five weeks old) that baby was just trying to manipulate me when they were crying, saying to me 'stop it, DC doesn't need you to pick them up', so I didn't even though every bit of me wanted to pick up my baby.

The comments about the breastfeeding have eased off somewhat although she still won't give the baby back when DC is clearly hungry. . Now, we're in the situation where I frankly feel a bit traumatised and on guard about seeing her. I used to be the one booking in dates to see my PIL but now i just don't want to, even though her behaviour has improved.

She has recently offered to babysit and my feelings are I don't want to even though she would do a great job & wants to see her DGC ( it's not like we don't see them).

I feel our previously lovely relationship has changed and while i'm sad about that, I feel that I've seen this different side to her which I really don't like. She's always been incredibly judgey of my SIL behind her back but lovely to her face and it got me thinking she's probably got all sorts of opinions about how i'm choosing to parent. The more I've reflected on this i've noticed she absolutely loves to judge other women in the extended family. This isn't something I do or take any pleasure in.

I know I need to get over it and ensure that my DC has a good relationship with her but i suppose the thing that freaks me out is that she sees the baby as her second go at mothering. I am not mega territorial about my baby, very happy to let other people hold them but i guess those other people respect me as the baby's mother, don't offer advice I haven't asked for and don't prevent me from taking my kid back if i want to.

I want to get over this but i think my hormones and primal instincts have been spiked in a way that I can't talk myself out of. They seem to view her as a threat even though I know she just loves her DGC and wants to show it.

How to proceed? I know she's a bit miffed I've stopped speaking to her like I used and that we're not visiting as much as usual. But I just don't want to do more than the bare minimum. It feels like i have to step over my own boundaries to make her happy. i suffered quite a bit of abuse as a child and i suppose this is triggering on some level.

Will it pass when the baby is older? i know she means well. i really do. but i don't want to 'reward' such insensitive behaviour ie how she was in the beginning. Am conflicted !!

I have been experiencing the exact same thing with my mil. We have always had a good relationship until my son was born nearly 6 months ago. Same issues as you are experiencing.

I cut right back on visits and now no longer have her in my home (I say my husband is working from home so we can't have people in making noise) I take my son To her house to visit so I can leave when I am ready and I always say we have something else on that day so she knows from the off we won't be staying.this has really helped set boundaries so you may want to try it too.

StillPerplexed · 24/11/2021 15:35

A lot of people have given reasonable advice but I just wanted to pick up on one of the points:

This belief the MIL has that babies are "manipulative" is gross. It's something that was taught in old school baby manuals and it's just not true. A baby isn't being conniving when expressing their needs the only way they know how.

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but many of that older generation have completely wrongheaded ideas about babies.

PipeOfPringles · 24/11/2021 15:43

@StillPerplexed

A lot of people have given reasonable advice but I just wanted to pick up on one of the points:

This belief the MIL has that babies are "manipulative" is gross. It's something that was taught in old school baby manuals and it's just not true. A baby isn't being conniving when expressing their needs the only way they know how.

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but many of that older generation have completely wrongheaded ideas about babies.

Absolutely. It's horrible. Cuddle your baby!
Lou573 · 24/11/2021 15:51

Oh OP, I went through exactly this with my mil and was so upset at the loss of our previously good relationship. If it’s the same as mine it comes from a place of love, she’s just crazy about her grandchild. Not that that excuses it but that’s what drives it.

It will calm down but until then disengage as much as possible. Let her son make the arrangements, don’t leave the baby with her unless you want to. Start to set some boundaries and call her out on her behaviour, it doesn’t have to be a big argument. It will all calm down and a few years down the line you will be grateful for the help if she can behave herself.

My mil are on better terms now and the grandkids love her, I honestly don’t think she realised what she was doing, she was just so besotted I didn’t even come into consideration.

Artichokeleaves · 24/11/2021 16:01

@vegpatch21

thanks all. i will say something!

in her defence, she has got better recently. i think she's clocked on it's upset me. i think she was just overly excited and it's come across as mental.

why is that MIL change after GC? Can someone explain?

It seems to be primal. Apes do this, other mammals too. With apes sometimes a female relative will get the baby off its mother and will let the baby starve in their arms rather than giving it back. The pleasure of holding and cuddling an infant and being in charge of it is such a powerful drive, but it has to stay in limits!
Hoolahupsaresquare · 24/11/2021 16:03

I’m sorry but why are you allowing this ? You are there to protect your child.

Why don’t you go after her and take him ? Why do you wait “hours” ?!

Tell her she will stop said behaviour or she will not see tour child end of story.

Redjumper1 · 24/11/2021 16:10

It doesn't seem like your MIL changed when your DC was born. You said yourself that she likes to criticize the women in the extended family and bitches about your SIL behind her back. What makes you think you are different? She can probably sense that you have weak boundaries due to childhood abuse and is taking full advantage. I suffered the same and found counselling helped me enforce boundaries which were for the benefit of my child.

Hen2018 · 24/11/2021 16:15

I felt anxious just reading your first post.

It would be no more trips from me for a few months.

BingBongToTheMoon · 24/11/2021 16:17

The fuck?
Baby wouldn’t be anywhere back near this abusive witch.
MIL/Grandmother or not…..no way would I ever permit this to happen to my baby!

Justcashnosweets · 24/11/2021 16:23

I also don't understand why you wouldn't just go and get your baby when mil has him for hours!! Why would you just let that happen? He needs you, and you only while he is so small. Go low contact and tell her in no uncertain terms why that is. You will have to start standing up for yourself and your baby if you want to put an end to this outrageous behaviour.

Beebababadabo · 24/11/2021 16:24

Simple put often a once pretty good relationship can change when you have your first baby because you are not blood related to your mil, but as soon as grand children come along they they are invested as this child has their genes. Its human nature but most grandparents will hopefully show they are invested and want to be part of their GC lives without going mental. If this is her first GC it could be a good reason why she is going slightly bonkers when you previously had a good relationship. I do think their where red flags though, if she gossiped to you about other extended family members you can bet your bottom dollar you where not likely spared the same treatment when she was with others.

Beebababadabo · 24/11/2021 16:27

*there were...awful grammar!

MissConductUS · 24/11/2021 16:30

I know I need to get over it and ensure that my DC has a good relationship with her but i suppose the thing that freaks me out is that she sees the baby as her second go at mothering.

You don't have to get over anything. You just need to do what's best for your child, which is not letting your batty MIL take over.

I never experienced this with my mum or MIL, but it sounds horrible.

Capferret · 24/11/2021 16:33

@StillPerplexed I don't know which generation you're going back to. I'm a 63 year old gm and none of my family or friends think babies are manipulative and it was never in any baby book I read.
This mil is overstepping boundaries because that's how she is.
Absolutely appropriate to criticise this mil but don't assume it's a generational thing.
And my dm is 86 and a retired mw and she wouldn't think such twaddle either.

Babyiskickingmyribs · 24/11/2021 16:39

I would have fucking screamed at anyone who dared to try to keep my hungry newborn baby away from me. Fuck her OP. Some people just have no respect for new mothers. It will probably improve when your DC is no longer a tiny baby.

StillPerplexed · 24/11/2021 16:46

@Capferret — I wasn't saying everyone in older generations has these beliefs (and the MIL is definitely overstepping boundaries, that's a separate thing), but even relatively recent baby advice books repeat this idea that babies are manipulative. To Train Up A Child, On Becoming Babywise, Save Our Sleep etc. all take this view. I have a baby at the moment, and we're constantly getting advice from older people that implies we should ignore baby crying.

Momijin · 24/11/2021 16:48

Crikey. Next time she doesnt hand your baby back, tell her very clearly that unless she gives you your baby back right now, she won't see the baby again for another year.

Totalwasteofpaper · 24/11/2021 16:56

How on earth has this been allowed to go on?

Where was your husband and why wasn't he advocating for you? you just gave birth what was his excuse???

He needs to sit her down and give her a proper talking to and explain she is at risk of irretrievably damaging her relationship with you all.

  • removing baby from room is a NO.
  • negative comments on breastfeeding is a NO.
  • calling a baby manipulative is a NO.

And she owes you a massive apology.

ladycarlotta · 24/11/2021 17:39

My MIL was exactly like this. Reading your post I could feel the anxiety rising just like it did every time we saw her. She used to take my baby out of my arms, push me aside while I was pushing the pram so she could do it herself, take the baby into another room, make 'discreet' comments about how rarely she got to see her, how the baby wouldn't even know her, how often my mum saw her (answer: around the same amount) etc etc etc.

I think in hindsight she was desperate to bond and really loved the baby, and was frustrated that I was the 'keeper' of the baby so to speak. She seemed to believe that if she didn't have a great relationship with her grandchild at 2 months old, it would be ruined forever, and that I was thwarting her in this. Of course now DD is a toddler and doesn't need me so much, they're thick as thieves and have a great time doing all the things MIL dreamed of. She didn't need to be like she was, and yours is just going to have to suck it up too. Her day will come and in the meantime it's not for you to tiptoe around her feelings. You are the mum and you have the final say. Be firm, ride this out, recruit your partner to have your back.

ladycarlotta · 24/11/2021 17:41

(I think also it is hard to leave the 'kid' role. At least for me the dynamic was that I deferred to my MIL as a 'parent', so when we had our own child it was really uncomfortable to change the boundaries and assert that I was in charge in this instance, and not MIL who had the experience of her own children etc etc. It's hard to stand up to someone you have treated as authoritative.)

Yellowstone100 · 24/11/2021 17:47

The most worrying part of your OP is you think you're being unreasonable and you're the problem.

You are absolutely not the problem, your MIL is the one who has problems. What does your DH think or do about this? He needs to be supporting you and helping to put a stop to the awful behaviour from your MIL.

QueenLagertha · 24/11/2021 18:05

God this is making me anxious even reading this. MIL went batshit after DS was born. Similar behaviours to what you're describing. It was so bizarre. I kept telling myself she was just excited , she'd calm down if we indulged her a little. I think she had it in her head that my mum would see baby more (not true at all). Anyway it ended up with me snapping one day and completely losing my shit at her when DS was about 1! Soon put her in her box 😂 I wish I'd done it sooner. Having number two next year and she will be a brave woman if she starts that crap again.

Eastridingclub · 24/11/2021 18:59

why is that MIL change after GC? Can someone explain?

Major suppressed jealousy that you're more important because you have the high value item?

Suppressed grief at having no more babies of their own?

Fear that they no longer have the role they did? Impossible to keep on pretending you're just kids playing house? Fear you're going to call the shots now?

I've often wondered.

blacksax · 24/11/2021 19:03

If anyone had ever refused to give me my weeks-old baby back, they would not have survived to tell the tale never have made that mistake again.

MarbleQueen · 24/11/2021 19:12

Your husband should have dealt with this the very first time it happened. It sounds like you’ve been let down badly by both of them.