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Is he cheating or am I paranoid ?

33 replies

Friedaubergine · 19/11/2021 21:30

Long story not so short ... I was in an abusive relationship for many years then I came to my senses and got out. It was more financial, emotional and psychological abuse from a man who showed little interest in me or our children. A covert narcissist I think. He seems to tick the boxes.
After divorcing him I got together with a guy who I’d known as a friend for many years.
He was aware of my past and we had a lot of shared history.
In contrast to ex H this man showered me with compliments and love, gave a huge boost to my self esteem and made life feel wonderful again.
The start of our relationship was very intense, we had a lot in common and still do and we enjoy being together and generally have lots of laughs and fun when we meet.
About 2 weeks into our relationship, though, he told me he had cheated regularly on his previous girlfriend with an ex who had dumped him 3 years prior.
This was of course a red flag for me but I chose to ignore it but be vigilant.
He said the reason he cheated was he had hoped to get back with her but since being with me he felt I am his soul mate and I felt the same about him.
We have a long distance relationship due to work. I’m about an hour’s drive away.
He has still kept in touch with the first ex through our relationship but has always been open about it. I haven’t wanted to meet her though as I didn’t see the need.

Although not too happy about him being in touch with her, I haven’t wanted to come across as jealous or possessive so haven’t made an issue of it.
I have always told him that I only want to be with him as long as he wants to be with me and if he was interested in anyone else I’d just let him go.I told him I certainly wouldn’t be fighting over him.
When I asked him, he said he doesn’t want to go back to his first ex as there were issues which would resurface.

Anyway I visited him the other day and curtains were drawn in his living room.( he never draws the curtains.. except if we have nookie on the sofa)
In the bathroom there was a candle at the side of the bath which wasn’t there last time.
He complained of a sore back and I suggested he take a hot bath to which he replied he hasn’t had a bath in ages.
There were 2 plates in the dishwasher, yet he told me he never uses it when on his own.
Finally, there was an empty beer bottle in the kitchen, but he only ever drinks tea when on his own.
My mum visited him for a cuppa the day before I arrived but he didn’t answer the door and his car was there.
He didn’t text me goodnight that night as he usually does. He told me he had fallen asleep.
Am I right to have concerns or is my past making me have trust issues ?
Either way, it’s not a pleasant feeling and I’m thinking I should just perhaps be single and get a dog instead for less hassle and heartache.
To discuss with him or just dump or try to get more evidence? ( or is this a waste of time and energy?)
We had great plans for the future.

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Friedaubergine · 19/11/2021 21:31

We’ve been together nearly 3 years now

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samwitwicky · 19/11/2021 21:46

This was of course a red flag for me but I chose to ignore it but be vigilant.

Trust your gut x

scoobydoo1971 · 19/11/2021 21:53

His past behaviour predicts present behaviour. He admitted cheating. It shows the sort of person he is. No one can tell if he is actually cheating now, but I wouldn't think you could ever trust him given what he has told you. You deserve quality of life, and not worrying about the conduct of a man you are dating. You should rely on that inner voice telling you not to ignore information he gave you.

WhoUsedMyName · 19/11/2021 22:10

Sorry he's a cheat, run for the hills

UpInTheAttic · 19/11/2021 22:13

It's not you, OP. That all sounds very dodgy Flowers

samesign · 19/11/2021 22:49

He's still 'friends' with that ex, I expect thats what he told the last gf he cheated on. Him keeping her as a friend would be a huge no for me and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.
The soul mate comment just makes me cringe so much, he's trying to get you so in love with him so you'll be blind to all this BS going on behind your back.

TheFoundations · 19/11/2021 23:34

People in healthy relationships aren't looking for evidence.

It doesn't matter whether he's cheating or not. You don't trust him.

So, it's a simple yes or no: do you want to be in a relationship with someone you don't trust?

HairyFanjoBanjo · 19/11/2021 23:56

Being friends with an ex that you shagged for years behind a subsequent partners back is a massive red flag.

Buildingthefuture · 20/11/2021 06:10

Just ask him. If you’ve invested 3 years into this man I think it’s worth investing another 30 minutes to sit him down and have a conversation about what exactly is going on. Personally, I don’t believe the always a cheater crap….people change all the time, but if you are worried, have it out with him.
He might put your mind at ease….but If he lies, it’s time for a rethink.

NataliaSerene · 20/11/2021 06:22

I think he is based on the candle alone. All of that is just too much.

Monty27 · 20/11/2021 06:29

It's not looking good but you need to ask him straight out to keep your sanity.
Presumably you'll know if he's lying.
I hope not 🤞

msgreen · 20/11/2021 06:55

He will probably lie anyway but ask, if you think he's cheating he is....
gut instincts are good
over the years i have always been able to spot a cheat in our friend ship
group ,way before the truth outs,
but somehow we all miss the signs when its happing to us, get rid less
heart ache in the long run.
i just got wind of my partner of thirty years ,he's been cheating for seven
maybe more and he did the same in the first 18 months i was a fool forgave him
,i have a small business (i have)he's sales man earning 85 a year he told me 40.,i am hopeless with tech though
i had all my bank stuff in paper form, my partner who does my accounts
changed everything to on line ,never found the time to show me how it worked.
it dawned on me the other day i was asking him nearly daily if we could sit down and teach me ,instead of me texting him anyones details that needed paying.always to busy he has crashed the car 4 times in the last six months ,decided to grow his hair longer, bought new pants ,
started man scapping about four years ago, he always has his phone in his pocket never leaves it out ,and never uses my name always just
darling.the list is endless but mainly he is has been lying about everything ,he lies small stuff constantly .
long and short he's been stealing from my account for years' found he had two platinum bank accounts i knew nothing about .
if only i had listened to my gut
and is always trying super hard to be in bed by 9 as he is so tired ,
from today i am a single parent i kicked the barstard out
the woman who has he told me is just a tart for sex is welcome to him she's a mother and apparently her husband is violent .
she's welcome to him she will now have an emotional abuser to

CatonMat · 20/11/2021 07:02

I reckon he is "at it".

MsDogLady · 20/11/2021 07:11

So after 2 weeks of love-bombing, he confesses that he regularly cheated on the previous Ex, but says he feels differently about you, that you are his soul mate. He wants to stay ‘friends’ with his Affair Partner, and you don’t object.

I think he’s a player who set up his agenda early on so he could date you and then dabble with AP in plain sight. He has clearly been entertaining her or another woman in his home. I would move on and leave them to it.

Friedaubergine · 20/11/2021 07:39

Thanks for your replies everyone.
Having slept on it, I woke and decided that I’m going to talk to him about it and ask a few open questions. He needs to know my fut feeling is ringing alarm bells and I can’t ignore it.
Ultimately it’s down to how I feel rather than what he’s done or hasn’t done.
At start of our relationship I told him I will never ignore my gut feeling again.
But it seems I already have.
I’m so disappointed with myself because having done the Freedom Programme I was sure I would not get caught out again.

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Buildingthefuture · 20/11/2021 09:09

Hang on op, there is absolutely NOTHING for you to feel disappointed with yourself for. IF (and it is an IF) he is up to no good, that is ENTIRELY on him, his poor choice, his lack of morals. You’ve done nothing wrong here and if he turns out to be a wrong un that is NOT on you xx

TheFoundations · 20/11/2021 10:30

I’m so disappointed with myself because having done the Freedom Programme I was sure I would not get caught out again

Don't do this. Nix the self criticism. He's not treating you the way you want, and you're questioning it. You're going to ask him questions so that he has an opportunity to do or say things to make you feel better about the relationship, and if your gut is still telling you 'no' after that, you'll leave.

This is all healthy behaviour that shows you've learned from the freedom program, you have boundaries, and you will uphold them if they are threatened. Al of that means that you have everything you need to have a good relationship. It may be with him, it may be with somebody else in the future, and that's not the important thing here. The important thing is that you've got your shit together, and you're not going to have an ongoing relationship with somebody who gives you negative feelings.

Self congratulation is in order, not self-disrespect.

updownroundandround · 20/11/2021 11:12

Listen to your gut.....every......single......time !! With bloody bells on !!

By all means ask him some questions, but do you honestly expect him to 'fess up'' Hmm

The only poor 'decision' you made was to deliberately not insist he stop seeing the Ex he cheated with because you were afraid that he would find that 'jealous' or 'possessive' of you. So you decided that his reaction to your feelings about this was somehow more 'important'.

You gave him trust, and he has not earned it.

Read your own post back........

  1. He told you he cheated on his previous GF with his Ex....
  2. He told you he would still be in contact with his Ex.....
  3. He was at home, with the curtains closed, and he wouldn't answer his door.....
  4. He doesn't use candles, yet one magically appears beside his bath....
  5. A bath that he hasn't used....
  6. There were 2 plates in his dishwasher, which couldn't be accounted for ....
  7. The beer bottle, which he doesn't drink when 'alone'....
  8. Your gut is screaming that there IS something going on....

Whatever you do, don't be fobbed off by him getting 'angry' or telling you that you're crazy/ deluded/ jealous/ suspicious etc etc. Trust yourself.

Flowers
Friedaubergine · 20/11/2021 13:35

Thanks guys
I think I knew deep down but seeing it written down and the clarity of your no nonsense replies really helps.
I won’t be seeing him again til next week but we talk on WhatsApp video call.
I want to be with him to have the conversation.
Meanwhile I’m feeling the emotional connection fast disappearing and if he calls I’ll probs not answer.I don’t think I can face him right now. I have stuff at his place I need to collect so best do it all in one -er. I want to see his reaction.I won’t be fobbed off or accept any excuses.
I’ve just found out from his fb page that it was her birthday this week and he’s wished her “a good one” followed by a red heart.
Think he gave her a good one earlier in the week actually !

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PlanDeRaccordement · 20/11/2021 13:39

I will preface this by saying I am usually in the minority saying things are suspicious but not proof of cheating either that or the behaviour itself (texting a woman) is not cheating.

This is the first thread on MN out of dozens I have read, where I absolutely think you have sufficient proof that he has cheated on you.
I’m really sorry OP. I know how much of a punch in the stomach that feels like.

IAAP · 20/11/2021 13:41

The very fact he love bombed you is worrying. Then when you are vulnerable he gas lights you and is ‘open and honest’ but really planting little seeds to keep you insecure and guessing - then he won’t be straight and messes up and he will have a reason.

No this isnt working for me - is enough of a discussion

SimoneSimone · 20/11/2021 13:51

There is tons of circumstantial evidence there. Don't live another moment of your life worrying about this dude. Time for you to bail.

Nedclarity · 20/11/2021 15:19

I’d say it’s quite hard to cut ties with someone you enjoy sleeping with, assuming the ex also enjoys the ‘arrangement’ and you are far away so easy for him to carry on without any suspicion. I’d be very wary since he’s not decided to cut ties with her. What man goes and gets himself a candle for his bath! And he doesn’t even have baths. Totally dodgy. Do you have keys to his place?

Yummypumpkin · 20/11/2021 15:25

Him being in contact in any way with someone with whom he cheated on a previous ex, would be the cue for the door.

Friedaubergine · 20/11/2021 16:23

@Nedclarity
Yes I’ve got a key to his door.

He’s messaged me a few times today but I’ve ignored him.

I can’t pretend all is everything is hunky dory but I don’t want to break up over the phone either.
As I said I want to collect my stuff at the same time then I don’t need to go back.

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