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Too many red flags?

37 replies

StartingAgain33 · 08/11/2021 17:29

I'm 37, female, hes 43. He is apparently very ready to settle down and really wants children, as do I. Which is a good basis to start from.

We get on really well and have a lot in common. We make each other laugh a LOT - and I can be my most silly and strange self and he seems to love it. We've only been on three dates, with lots of chatting and even a couple of phone calls in between (because I said it was rare and nice nowadays, and he said he never did that but would like to try).

But twice now, when relationship stuff has come up, he's had a bit of verbal diarrhoea about his issues - to the point where it almost seems he's trying to put me off - where he's said he just finds it 'hard to commit to a particular person'. He's not had a long term relationship in about 8 years, and I'm not sure that was very long - I think his longest has been three years.

When he first told me this (before we first met) I immediately said I wasn't up for meeting, because I'd just been out with a string of guys in their 40s who had not had a relationship ever / for a very long time, and then met me and decided I was amazing / they wanted to spend their lives with me, and then they were either strange or avoidant and it has been difficult to go through and a waste of my time.

He convinced me otherwise, saying that he had just been thinking I seemed like the best person he'd met on online dating, that he never met people he thought seemed compatible and right for him, and that I seemed lovely and intelligent etc. In the end I decided to give a date a go and we did have a really good time.

But then on the weekend (date three) he spent the last half hour of the date talking again about this pattern of not being into people. His last girlfriend (of six months) dumped him as she said he didn't like her enough and it was clear. He said he was happy to keep going out with her even though he didn't love her as she just wanted something to work. This makes me feel uneasy.

He went out with someone when he was at university who he was very in love with. She was just about to move to his country and then ended up committing suicide. I think that has traumatised him. He went to therapy but 'didn't believe it would work' and 'left before they'd done any work'.

I think he believes he just hasn't met the right person yet. I think this may be an avoidant fantasy.

He says he has always compared people to her, or just plain not felt in love. But that at this age he wonders if he's just going to have to accept that he wont feel 'in love' again and settle down because he wants kids. I don't want him to feel that he is making this compromise with me.

He also said he has ended every relationship he's had, and she has wanted to carry on - which seems to be unconsciously designed to make me want to 'win' (and I recognise this from when I have said the same to a man who made me feel a little insecure). He has even been on a blind date in a public newspaper, where she gave him 10 out of 10 and he gave her 7. I think he likes being the one to 'win'?

He said he wants 'someone to talk to and share my day with at night and in the morning' (making me feel like I would be serving a function for him as opposed to being a unique individual he's sharing his life with?).

I bought up at the end of the date that this all made me feel uneasy, and he said again that this is not how it feels with me - that he just finds it easy to open up with me and that he really likes me. He also expressed fear that I was just seeing him because I wanted to settle down (I had told him I related to some of his patterns of questioning everything), which I said was unfounded.

The thing is I CAN really see he that properly likes me and thinks I'm special. But these patterns make me think twice. I am great, don't get me wrong, but it's highly doubtful he's not met anyone compatible in 20 years, that he wants to commit to.

I've told him again that I feel uneasy and he has asked that we talk about it on the phone tonight as he really doesnt want to stop seeing me. I'd appreciate people's thoughts before I go into the conversation. Am I being a bit too skittish? It's only three dates in, but I feel a little insecure already and like I want him to convince me which isn't great

OP posts:
MamDancer · 08/11/2021 17:35

He has deified the (sadly) dead girlfriend. No one will ever match up.

GreyCarpet · 08/11/2021 17:36

Oh god, no. Nopety, nope.

Next

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/11/2021 17:36

It’s not going to improve. When someone tells you who they are it pays to believe them.

Throw this one back into the dating pool.

Flipflopfoodle · 08/11/2021 17:37

Ruuuuun

ComtesseDeSpair · 08/11/2021 17:40

I’m always incredibly dubious about people so keen to tell you (especially so early on) chapter and verse about their personal views on exactly why their previous relationships didn’t work out and what their previous partner’s said about them or did. I just find it peculiar. If a new date asks me why my previous relationships didn’t work out I just tell them all they need to know: we were incompatible, we wanted different things, we didn’t know each other well enough when we moved in together and that turned out to be a mistake and so on. And all the people I’ve dated or had relationships with would have said the same of their own previous partners.

You’ve met three times. He sounds far too intense, far too navel-gazing, and far too much as though he’s in love with the idea of being in love. This might seem cute now, when you feel that he thinks you’re special; it’s going to become tiresome very quickly, as will all this twattery about trying to second-guess you and tell you what your own mind, motives and feelings towards him are. Move on. You don’t need this.

HollowTalk · 08/11/2021 17:41

This is after three dates? This is as good as it gets! Run!

StartingAgain33 · 08/11/2021 17:42

@ComtesseDeSpair, thank you - very insightful. When you mention the twattery about him him telling me what my own mind, motives and feelings are towards him, do you think he's doing that already? How?

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Sleepinghyena · 08/11/2021 17:43

Nope! Dump and block! Also: he has ended every relationship but his last girlfriend dumped him??

lovingnewme · 08/11/2021 17:43

I've had the same experience with dating single/children-less guys in their 40s - all tell me I'm amazing and they've just been waiting fir the right one....then utterly unable to commit.
I now date guys with a bit of history/"baggage" like a divorce and children because actually ironically it much more straightforward because they have proven capable of a relationship.

I honestly would swear this one and move on, especially if you want children

Universeandeverything · 08/11/2021 17:44

How did you know all that after three dates? You should have been too busy having fun.

pictish · 08/11/2021 17:47

Dear god…how intense is this after three dates?

Personally, I wouldn’t.

Snoopfroggyfrogg · 08/11/2021 17:48

Sorry OP, not sure he could explain any more clearly why it's not going to work

MamDancer · 08/11/2021 17:48

His last girlfriend (of six months) dumped him as she said he didn't like her enough and it was clear.

He also said he has ended every relationship he's had, and she has wanted to carry on

Inconsistencies there, OP.

Doona · 08/11/2021 17:54

He finds it hard to commit. That couldn't be clearer.

StartingAgain33 · 08/11/2021 18:00

@lovingnewme I weirdly find it hard to find guys with a bit of relationship history! Maybe it's because I'm in London and they've all moved out. Who knows

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mewkins · 08/11/2021 18:03

He is now trying to keep you engaged so that he can 'win' again and you don't get to! I suspect he disengages because he is terrified of you deserting him (like the dead girlfriend did), but really life is too short to try and fix people's problems at the expense of you own happiness.

ComtesseDeSpair · 08/11/2021 18:04

[quote StartingAgain33]@ComtesseDeSpair, thank you - very insightful. When you mention the twattery about him him telling me what my own mind, motives and feelings are towards him, do you think he's doing that already? How?[/quote]
You said he’s “expressed fear that I was just seeing him because I wanted to settle down”; and that you feel he’s trying to put you off him. There’s nothing more frustrating - to me, anyway - than somebody trying to tell me how I think and feel about them.

All in all, this just seems like far too much like hard work, especially after three dates. I doubt he’s a bad guy - he’s just going to be hard to please and there will likely always be drama and heightened emotions.

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 08/11/2021 18:09

More red flags than a bullfighting convention OP. He’s literally treating you like his therapist.

Ludo19 · 08/11/2021 18:15

Well as you're so great you shouldn't find it difficult to meet someone else.

I personally find your post a tad immature. How you can see he really likes you.....after 3 dates, yep you're both meant for each other.
If someone went into this great length after three dates I'd be running like a cheetah in the opposite direction. Going by your post there's a habit forming of going for men who say all the right things. Take some time out and realise that what folk say isn't always what they mean.

sunnyzweibrucken · 08/11/2021 18:59

I think no one will live up to his dead ex.

evabream · 08/11/2021 19:04

This is far too intense for 3 dates and giving me deja vu…

MadMadMadamMim · 08/11/2021 19:20

Jesus. Three dates?

He sounds such hard work and a bit of a twat. I could not be bothered.

supercali77 · 08/11/2021 21:38

You aren't his therapist, thats where all this should be going. He's also forewarning you. If you carried on no doubt later down the line you can get hit with the 'but I told you I couldn't commit/love in the beginning'. Its only 3 dates in thank god, early warning system to bail

Ema52 · 08/11/2021 21:53

@AttilaTheMeerkat

It’s not going to improve. When someone tells you who they are it pays to believe them.

Throw this one back into the dating pool.

Absolutely this ^^

He basically told you how he feels about you without actually telling you.

ArdeaCinerea · 08/11/2021 21:55

I used to be involved with a guy who had lots of the same red flags: 40 something who hadn't had a serious relationship in a decade, commitment issues, inappropriately personal infodumps too early, stories of suicidal exes, stories of being the one who walked away from all his exes, etc. I was very naive at the time and didn't hold it against him.

He turned out to be an abusive narcissist, I spent a lot on therapy to piece myself together after that one. So, I may be biased, but: run run run away