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Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries

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angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 08:01

I'm so angry and upset. NC for this but regular poster.

I'm sorry this is quite long and some graphic descriptions of sexual nature so please don't read on if this isn't for you.

Partner and I have 7 month baby, things have been v stressful since baby was born, no time for each other etc. We've been working on it.

We very rarely have sex, it's just impossible to find the time or energy, both always exhausted. I'd say we have sex once every 2-3 weeks since baby's birth, it used to be every other day or at least 4 times a week so I understand his frustration. I also feel differently now, hate my body how it's changed so much (used to be slim and toned now have larger tummy and thighs), and also I just don't have much libido anymore.

Anyway last night we were kissing in bed etc and I said I wanted to try and have sex. I was very clear it had to be with a condom or nothing (I'm not on any birth control at the moment and definitely don't want another baby yet), and I also said I need you to be gentle and careful. He agreed. He then proceeded to be quite rough with his fingers, I had to remind him twice please be gentle that hurts. Then he attempted to penetrate me without the condom on, I said what are you doing, he said I wanted to "feel you" - I said again, no we need to take this seriously as I don't want to end up pregnant again. He seemed to accept that but the rest of the foreplay seemed half hearted so I felt he wasn't interested and was impatient to get to the "main event". He kept pushing to penetrate me (more with his body language than anything). I felt under pressure. He also had his hand on my throat at one point - I removed it but didn't say anything to him. After some foreplay I said ok we can do it now - he then entered me quite aggressively from behind without a condom (I didn't realise at this point he didn't have one on). I was so taken aback by how rough it was, I didn't know what to say or do, it hurt so much. He was being very aggressive, I tried to get up on my knees to stop the pain but I couldn't. I have no idea why I didn't just say stop, but I was in shock with it. Then he said he was going to ejaculate on my bum - I suddenly realised there was no condom. I started to cry and pull away from him then I just left the bed sat in the bathroom and cried.

Afterwards I said how hurt and angry I was that he has no respect for my boundaries. He claimed it was "hard to remember" to use a condom because we never used to before the baby. I think this is a ridiculous excuse, I said several times please use one. With regard to being rough with me, he said "I thought you wanted rough sex" (not sure how, I'd said several times during foreplay, please be gentle).

This morning he's making me feel like I've done something wrong. I said technically he had raped me by penetrating me against my consent without a condom - he got annoyed when I used that word and said "fine we aren't having sex ever again if you're going accuse me of that - from now on this is a sexless relationship and I'll stay just for the baby".

I'm so confused about the whole thing. Did he rape me? Should I have spoken up sooner and said stop when it hurt? I just can't make sense of any of it and I don't want him anywhere near me anymore. Sad

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2021 14:04

Yes I've messaged a friend. I haven't told her the details just that we've had a bad row and I'm feeling alone. She has offered to help and asked what she can do. I'm struggling to respond right now... I'm not sure what she could do? I'm not ready to say out loud to anyone in RL what had happened.

She could come and have a cup of tea with you and hold your hand. She could ask no questions and just listen, or sit in silent support. Tell her that. The right words will come to you if she can do that. Please remember that you are in no way to blame for what happened and you need feel no shame or guilt for any of it. And that saying the words out loud will make what happened to you no more 'real' than it already is inside your head.

I actually can't believe a man came on this thread to "mansplain" sexual violence. Of all the things that don't need mansplaining - this is surely one of them!!!

Oh, I can. They need to mansplain that what we know to be true, that there is no excuse for sexual violence, isn't really true at all. That there are reasons and excuses that mitigate it. Or worse, that it wasn't violence at all, just an 'excess of passion'.

beastlyslumber · 07/11/2021 14:28

Maybe ask your friend if you can see her for a hug and a cup of tea. You don't have to tell her anything but maybe once you're there, it will feel easier to say it. It will help to get a hug and a friendly smile Flowers

BackBackBack · 07/11/2021 14:31

[quote angryandscared1]@BackBackBack

Yes I've messaged a friend. I haven't told her the details just that we've had a bad row and I'm feeling alone. She has offered to help and asked what she can do. I'm struggling to respond right now... I'm not sure what she could do? I'm not ready to say out loud to anyone in RL what had happened.

I actually can't believe a man came on this thread to "mansplain" sexual violence. Of all the things that don't need mansplaining - this is surely one of them!!! Angry[/quote]
You don't need to give details if you don't want to. Ask her if you can meet for a cup of tea (maybe go to hers?). Spend some time with someone nice who cares about you.

imonlyhooman · 07/11/2021 14:43

I'm so pleased you are having time apart. I'm this situation I would have to ask myself if my DC came to me with this scenario what would my advice be? It would be to leave, you deserve better. Please try to think of it like that.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2021 15:03

[quote angryandscared1]@BackBackBack

Yes I've messaged a friend. I haven't told her the details just that we've had a bad row and I'm feeling alone. She has offered to help and asked what she can do. I'm struggling to respond right now... I'm not sure what she could do? I'm not ready to say out loud to anyone in RL what had happened.

I actually can't believe a man came on this thread to "mansplain" sexual violence. Of all the things that don't need mansplaining - this is surely one of them!!! Angry[/quote]
Can you ask her to come over to hold your hand and feed you hot chocolate while you have a cry?

RantyAunty · 07/11/2021 16:35

Glad to hear you've contacted your friend.
It is good to have that support whether you are ready to say something to her about what happened or not.
Brew You've got a bunch of us having a virtual cuppa with you.

SpringCrocus · 07/11/2021 17:32

Glad you've contacted your friend, could you maybe show her your first few posts, if you don't feel able to actually speak about it?
Just a thought

EarthSight · 07/11/2021 18:04

[quote angryandscared1]@BackBackBack

Yes I've messaged a friend. I haven't told her the details just that we've had a bad row and I'm feeling alone. She has offered to help and asked what she can do. I'm struggling to respond right now... I'm not sure what she could do? I'm not ready to say out loud to anyone in RL what had happened.

I actually can't believe a man came on this thread to "mansplain" sexual violence. Of all the things that don't need mansplaining - this is surely one of them!!! Angry[/quote]
Can you ask her to come over to hold your hand and feed you hot chocolate while you have a cry?

I don't agree with @picklemewalnuts . Don't invite her over. You're inviting another woman into a potentially unsafe and hostile situation if he comes back.

However, do say something to her. You don't have to explain what happened in detail. Just say that something bad happened between you and that you feel unsafe, upset, confused, degraded and you're not ready to talk about it yet. It will be so obvious that she won't need to ask more really for now. You need practical support right now as well and the advice of people who've dealt with this kind of situation so please see what Women's Aid can help you with .

SirVixofVixHall · 07/11/2021 20:32

OP you say “He has never done anything this bad before and I don’t want to ruin his life”
Yet he has done something this bad NOW, and he is responsible for his own life and his actions. If a random man assaulted a friend of yours in the street would you say the same ? Would you think the fact he’d never “done anything this bad before” a mitigating factor meaning she should not report it ? Would you accuse her of “ruining his life “ if she did ?

SirVixofVixHall · 07/11/2021 20:47

Try to take a step back and think of him as the boyfriend of a friend, or a stranger. It is really hard when someone you have cared for does something very wrong . None of this is your fault OP, any repercussions are all on him. He is an adult, an adult who uses the “rough sex” excuse.

caringcarer · 07/11/2021 21:21

Your number 1 priority now should be taking MAP. If he wants sex more frequently he should have discussed it with you and did more childcare so you are not so exhausted. He clearly has absolutely no respect for you. He should be loving and cherishing you and instead he is brutal and raping you. That behaviour especially putting hand on your throat, and bring rough when you kept asking him to be gentle, would have crossed a red line for me. Listen to your instincts. He is not at all remorseful. Given the chance he will do it again. Next time he could strangle you.

Fireatseaparks · 07/11/2021 21:30

Hope you're doing ok OP

caringcarer · 07/11/2021 21:35

Good Lord, I just read he has done this hand over your throat thing before, and you told him you don't like it, and he is still doing it. He clearly is not trying to please you. Just because you think he is a good Dad does not make him a good partner, not does it stop him being a good Dad if you separate. He sounds vile. Instead of enjoying sex you must be terrified he is going to strangle you every time. You are being sexually abused OP and I'm not sure you realise or believe this fact. Speak to rape crisis and explain to them what you have told us and listen to their response. If your dd was grown up and told you her partner had done this to her what would you tell her to do? Just because he is in the police does not put him above the law.

PickupaPenguin8 · 07/11/2021 21:53

I w just read all your posts, I missed some before.
You are in a strong position OP. You aren’t married, you rent and you have a good well paid job. Thank God for that.
You will be OK once you’ve thought this through . You have options and choices.
I would get some good legal advice and tell your family and friends once you feel strong enough. They don’t need to know details, but you need emotional and practical support.

caringcarer · 07/11/2021 21:59

Ask him to stay away for a week to give you time to come to terms with what he has done to you. Ask your friend if she can come to stay with you for a couple of days whilst you get MAP and gather your thoughts. Confide in your friend. That is what friends are for. You are lucky that you will be able to afford to bring baby up and have no as good job. Your partner can still help with baby. He has finally been honest in with you he does not like gentle sex and only wants violent and rough sex. Is this what you want in future? If not you are not compatible. You will get through this but let your friend help you. Confide in family too.

caringcarer · 07/11/2021 21:59

This is not your shame OP, it is his. Do not hide his abhorrent behaviour while you suffer alone.

angryandscared1 · 08/11/2021 07:57

I feel awful today. So low. I can't seem to contact any organisations like Rape Crisis or Women's Aid, they aren't open yet. I can't stop crying. I just feel so worthless.

OP posts:
MzHz · 08/11/2021 08:00

You’re not worthless, you’re still processing the shock of it all, don’t give up, just a bit longer to wait and the phones will be answered

Breathe love, it’s dark atm, but it won’t always be.

Justcashnosweets · 08/11/2021 08:02

Keep trying @angryandscared1, you will get through. I'm so sorry you are going through this alone. Is there any way a family member could come and be with you right now?

NadiaVulvokov · 08/11/2021 08:04

@angryandscared1 You are priceless, he is worthless.

angryandscared1 · 08/11/2021 08:10

He keeps messaging asking about the baby etc, I keep falling into the trap of replying and telling him how shit I feel because I want someone to care about us. I want him to care about us. I don't know why after what he's done. Why do I feel like that? Sad

OP posts:
angryandscared1 · 08/11/2021 08:10

[quote NadiaVulvokov]@angryandscared1 You are priceless, he is worthless.[/quote]
Thank you

OP posts:
angryandscared1 · 08/11/2021 08:16

@Justcashnosweets

Keep trying *@angryandscared1*, you will get through. I'm so sorry you are going through this alone. Is there any way a family member could come and be with you right now?

Not really they live very far away, opposite end of the country. And they all work etc.

OP posts:
KurtWilde · 08/11/2021 08:20

@angryandscared1 yea, he did something horrible, no question, but he will still care about your DD. How he feels about her hasn't changed because of his actions towards you. I think you need to bear that in mind. At some point you'll need to consider visitation, so she still gets to see her dad while you figure out what's what with the relationship.

KurtWilde · 08/11/2021 08:22

Sorry about the 'yea' (it sounds dismissive but it's just a typo) I seem to be hitting the a instead of the s when typing yes!