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Partners "past" attitudes on social media

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miximitoes · 23/10/2021 23:17

I'll try to keep this short. Ha! I've asked friends for perspective and opinions vary; I am very slowly losing my mind.

My (non-live in) partner of a few years is very lovely, kind, attentive, "aware" etc and I love him very much. I am, at the same time, guarded and generally suspicious of men. This is due to childhood issues, a couple of severe deceptions in long term relationships (pretty serious stuff), my general no nonsense feminism, and probably much more. I've never had a lot of time for laddishness, leery behaviour, etc. Hard to have perspective as I think some of my closest lovely friends think I'm probably too hard a task master on men in some ways.

To cut to the point, my partner revealed a few serious things (red flags but a long long time in his past) early in our relationship. We talked, processed and "sort of" moved on. We then made friends on social media, and I admit that I did some digging.

I don't know if I need to defend this as I think people are mixed about this. To clarify I didn't hack, have never looked at his phone, his diaries, or anything like that. Only what was in the public domain. To me, this, as a mother and as a cautious new partner is kind of fair game, but I know some people will say not. I dont think I would have done it if he'd not revealed quite a colourful past, so I suppose I was looking for either comfort or confirmation.

Anyway, I saw quite a lot of laddish type posts. And several years later I still can't quite get past this. Nothing pornographic or really low brow, but a general low level phwoar attitude to some women that I personally find off putting to see on a middle aged mans "wall".

Basically included....

Him putting up posts of actors/singers he found hot. Nothing too graphic just expressing he thought they were hot.
Following some of these and I can see he has liked some of their pictures (nothing salacious particularly but just them looking hot!).
A link to the "top ten" hottest airline cabin crew (not particularly pictures, just the list of companies from some silly article ... which he indicated he agreed with).
A discussion with a friend about hot tennis players (20 years his junior) at Wimbledon.
A few Likes of others more leering posts. Some of which I would say are fairly sexist.

So, compared to what others have to see on partners social media he isn't following camgirls, Instagram modes, talking in a very derogatory manner about women etc. But I'm just a bit yuck at a lot of this. I think on its own, each of these things is sort of something and nothing. Mindless. Most of his posting isn't related to anything like this.

I suppose I'm venting. I can't seem to get it out of my head. and it's on top of some other far more shocking info about his sexual past. I think that the fact he presents as pretty right on, and yet I've "seen" some of the banter...just makes me feel mistrust generally. Also, when I've asked him what his opinion is of a particular person (not out of the blue, prompted by seeing them on tv etc), he's indicated he doesn't know really who they are (evidence would show otherwise!!).

So, mumsnet... am I over the top and mental, past is the past, he treats me well. I can't see that these posts have occurred since we've been together but they were there until fairly soon before we met. Or, is someone's real attitude writ large on fb etc, and the mr nice guy is just for me; that he's probably a bit of a "bloke" when with his mates. My view is that if someone is prepared to be blokey on fb, they're probably much worse when with their mates?!!!

Talk me down and slap my face, or tell me that I need to strengthen my own boundaries, I have no idea what's even acceptable on SM anymore.

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Pinkbonbon · 24/10/2021 00:13

Just in general terms. Can he compromise for example. Or has he form for taking huffs if he doesn't get his way ect...

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 00:19

@Pinkbonbon

Just in general terms. Can he compromise for example. Or has he form for taking huffs if he doesn't get his way ect...
He can compromise yes. Bizarrely I probably have the most "healthy" relationship operationally with him of any of the men I've been in long term relationships with. We talk about everything, listen to bloody podcast about all sorts including relationships, feminism, psychology etc! He's like my best mate.

But, then... this! Makes me secretly resent him. Who the hell is he. That one >> or that one

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Pinkbonbon · 24/10/2021 00:21

Maybe you have been a good influence on him and challenged him to break his past ideas. But...I'm of the opinion that mysoginy has deep roots. And that if things stop being so rosey in the relationship...it may show its face again.

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 00:26

@BoxOfDreams

Sounds like a typical man child. Very cringy and unattractive. Find yourself a grown up.
Yes. Possibly. No kids. No real commitments. 50. Lived a carefree hedonistic life. The industry he is in encourages this. He presents as now wanting to settle down, live a quiet life, be honourable. Mostly I trust this but.... yeah, words to me versus words as an imprint on SM.
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toocold54 · 24/10/2021 00:31

The Wimbledon thing (from ten years ago... when he was 40ish...I know

You are looking at his posts from 10 years ago! Honestly I don’t think he is the issue here.

You seem to be looking for faults.
I think it’s a good thing to have your guard up but not to go and try and find red flags that aren’t there.
I think you are either not ready for a relationship at all or you just don’t want a relationship with him.

HundredMilesAnHour · 24/10/2021 01:52

I'd be nervous that I didn't know the real him and he was pretending to be someone that he isn't really.

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 08:31

@HundredMilesAnHour

I'd be nervous that I didn't know the real him and he was pretending to be someone that he isn't really.
I think that's it in a nutshell. The difficulty is determining whether it's an actual threat to me and my relationship "safety", or mostly just nonsense (that means little in reality), and I'm actively looking for red flags as a result of previous relationship traumas and lies.
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miximitoes · 24/10/2021 08:34

@BoxOfDreams

Sounds like a typical man child. Very cringy and unattractive. Find yourself a grown up.
The depressing thing is I thought I had. Which says a lot about some of my past relationships! 😢 His behaviour with me is mature and thoughtful and doesn't match this past online persona. Which is the problem. Confused
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Chocaholic9 · 24/10/2021 08:35

I'd find it very off-putting indeed.

Only you know if you can get past it.

TeachesOfPeaches · 24/10/2021 08:40

If the posts are from 10 years ago then I really don't think it matters.

WakeUpTired · 24/10/2021 08:57

Any kind of laddish behaviour is a red flag and massive turn off. The posts verging into sexism are gross.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt it was years ago. I'm not the same person I was ten years ago. I would not have recognised misogyny in the same way ten or twenty years ago.

Have you discussed it with him? I think it's fair to say that the revelations about his sexual past made you feel x, his post on social media made you feel y. That although you love and respect him etc its shaken you to see the content he posted etc. With anything like this I think it's best to communicate your feelings and listen carefully to what he says in response. Hopefully you'll then be able to move past it.

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 09:16

@WakeUpTired

Any kind of laddish behaviour is a red flag and massive turn off. The posts verging into sexism are gross.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt it was years ago. I'm not the same person I was ten years ago. I would not have recognised misogyny in the same way ten or twenty years ago.

Have you discussed it with him? I think it's fair to say that the revelations about his sexual past made you feel x, his post on social media made you feel y. That although you love and respect him etc its shaken you to see the content he posted etc. With anything like this I think it's best to communicate your feelings and listen carefully to what he says in response. Hopefully you'll then be able to move past it.

We've talked a lot about the previous behaviour (20 years ago)... a lot. A little bit of the posting but it's rather tricky to say "well, as I felt unsafe about what you'd told me, I read you past posts on Facebook". Weird isn't it, I've not hacked his phone, it's readily available info, but as a PP indicated.... it's not great from my side. But, I guess, in the circumstances.... better to be honest as the alternative is to get secretly angry when something "triggers" me.
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Cherryana · 24/10/2021 09:28

So I had a FB friend like this.
He was so lovely but on Facebook he posted the worded shit. Never could reconcile it with the lovely fun, friendly, open guy I knew.
Anyway it stopped when he got a girlfriend. And they seem really happy.

Although it is ick, I think I would go on his actions towards your now.

Cherryana · 24/10/2021 09:29

Weirdest

WakeUpTired · 24/10/2021 09:37

I think for me I'd have to discuss it with DH. Even if you'd done something a bit unreasonable (you haven't, they are public posts) you can own that part of it and discuss the other parts. It doesn't have to be you attacking him but explaining how they made you feel and why, and wanting to know his thoughts on it.

My DH is not perfect but 9 times out of 10 when we discuss something bothering me (anything not just him) he is calm, measured, respectful and reassuring and I feel better and can move forward. We don't always agree but I benefit from airing my thoughts rather than ruminatung, and from my DHs input.

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 09:40

@WakeUpTired

I think for me I'd have to discuss it with DH. Even if you'd done something a bit unreasonable (you haven't, they are public posts) you can own that part of it and discuss the other parts. It doesn't have to be you attacking him but explaining how they made you feel and why, and wanting to know his thoughts on it.

My DH is not perfect but 9 times out of 10 when we discuss something bothering me (anything not just him) he is calm, measured, respectful and reassuring and I feel better and can move forward. We don't always agree but I benefit from airing my thoughts rather than ruminatung, and from my DHs input.

Yes. You are right. And actually this tends to be true for us. Although some of the past stuff does come up now and again when I'm feeling vulnerable.

A friend said to me that I have to decide whether I'm looking for confirmation or whether I'm searching with confirmation bias. These posts aren't common. They're in general mass of non-sexist stuff. Not defending, but it's not his core style of posting.

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EarthSight · 24/10/2021 10:06

Is he a people-pleaser OP? Is going along with the crowd and 'belonging' important to him?

cheeselover2021 · 24/10/2021 10:29

I had a friend similar to this who lived quite a laddish lifestyle, no kids, no real responsibilities other than himself. I’d say about 5 years ago he was a bit of a prick. Harmless but the crowd he was with were typical quite sexist laddish blokes. A bit like what you’ve described, comments on she’s hot and the glad it’s summer type meme thing. Quite likely thought cleaning and cooking women’s work etc. He also was early 40’s so not a ‘lad’ all a bit cringe.

However about 4 years ago he met a really lovely woman. And certainly not the sort to put up with shit like that.
He totally changed. Well in a sense that he stopped the stupid posts, outwardly seemed more respectful, left chat groups with mates who were sending each other shit memes etc. And to the point where he actually called out one of his mates in the pub when they were disrespectful to a woman in there, think leering, saying something sexist to her.
I spoke to him recently and he said his gf had completely opened his eyes. Before he didn’t realise it was a big deal, all his mates did it. He’d never really thought of the impact it would have etc, but his new gf had laid it all out to him and he says it made him see it all in a totally different light and actually how pathetic it all is. And he now realised that it wasn’t all harmless typical lad stuff. To the point he’ll stand up to his mates when they are being out of order towards women or about women. He seems genuinely changed.

So my long winded point is (sorry!) maybe you have opened his eyes a bit. So what he posted in the past he has perspective on and wouldn’t post that stuff now.

Having said that, I’d still keep an eye. If he does still has those opinions, they’ll show at some point.

tarasmalatarocks · 24/10/2021 10:54

A lot of men are like sheep OP and think to be ‘in’ with mates they have to do this laddish stuff and go along with it. Some women are like this too—. From experience the reverse is more of a mindfuck— really ‘right on ‘ feminist supporting men cracking off to really unsavoury stuff behind your back constantly— it’s like being with someone who has kind of lied about who they are

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 11:54

@tarasmalatarocks

A lot of men are like sheep OP and think to be ‘in’ with mates they have to do this laddish stuff and go along with it. Some women are like this too—. From experience the reverse is more of a mindfuck— really ‘right on ‘ feminist supporting men cracking off to really unsavoury stuff behind your back constantly— it’s like being with someone who has kind of lied about who they are
Yes laddish stuff has never been my sense of humour. I'm aware that his exes may have been less like this than me... More laddish themselves so that probably doesn't help!
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miximitoes · 24/10/2021 11:56

@cheeselover2021

I had a friend similar to this who lived quite a laddish lifestyle, no kids, no real responsibilities other than himself. I’d say about 5 years ago he was a bit of a prick. Harmless but the crowd he was with were typical quite sexist laddish blokes. A bit like what you’ve described, comments on she’s hot and the glad it’s summer type meme thing. Quite likely thought cleaning and cooking women’s work etc. He also was early 40’s so not a ‘lad’ all a bit cringe.

However about 4 years ago he met a really lovely woman. And certainly not the sort to put up with shit like that.
He totally changed. Well in a sense that he stopped the stupid posts, outwardly seemed more respectful, left chat groups with mates who were sending each other shit memes etc. And to the point where he actually called out one of his mates in the pub when they were disrespectful to a woman in there, think leering, saying something sexist to her.
I spoke to him recently and he said his gf had completely opened his eyes. Before he didn’t realise it was a big deal, all his mates did it. He’d never really thought of the impact it would have etc, but his new gf had laid it all out to him and he says it made him see it all in a totally different light and actually how pathetic it all is. And he now realised that it wasn’t all harmless typical lad stuff. To the point he’ll stand up to his mates when they are being out of order towards women or about women. He seems genuinely changed.

So my long winded point is (sorry!) maybe you have opened his eyes a bit. So what he posted in the past he has perspective on and wouldn’t post that stuff now.

Having said that, I’d still keep an eye. If he does still has those opinions, they’ll show at some point.

Interesting. To be fair my partner isn't sexist in terms of roles or anything like that. He's kind and helpful and fair. It's really just in regards to the phwoar stuff I suppose. I'm not used to some of the language and open commenting. I've always found it grim and disrespectful but I know others don't care about it. I suppose seeing it in black and white is always a shock. Albeit it was an occasional thing not a daily or weekly occurance from what I saw!
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irishoak · 24/10/2021 14:08

@Pinkbonbon

Maybe you have been a good influence on him and challenged him to break his past ideas. But...I'm of the opinion that mysoginy has deep roots. And that if things stop being so rosey in the relationship...it may show its face again.
I think this is spot on.

My ex thought he was the most woke liberal feminist out there, and although some of his past remarks/internet posts were a bit edgy/controversial/misogynistic, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and thought he'd changed. However, when things weren't going his way or he didn't get what he wanted, he would bring out the more sexist/racist/extreme views again. It felt like being a feminist was a role he liked to play or the way he liked others to think of him, but only as long as it still suited him and he got the things he thought he was entitled to, if that makes sense?

Monr0e · 24/10/2021 14:22

What is the shocking info of his sexual past? Is it this that made you go looking?

It sounds like you've had to search pretty thoroughly to find a handful of posts you didn't like from 10 years ago. That would've taken some effort, almost like you were determined to find something maybe?

I can't imagine doing this unless there was already something underlying which had set my radar off.

PlanDeRaccordement · 24/10/2021 14:44

His behaviour with me is mature and thoughtful and doesn't match this past online persona. Which is the problem.

Why would you expect it to match? No one is the same person at 50 that they were at 40, 30, or 20. We all grow and mature, but most importantly we do change. I have a friend who spent her 20s as a stripper and prostitute doing extreme group sex and every drug under the sun...she is now in her 40s and a respected happily married GP doctor specialising in Pediatrics.

My DH also had a less than savoury past when I met him. But he got out of that life and became who he was meant to be, which is a fantastic loving and caring man.

You have every right for a bad past to be a deal breaker to you, my point is that people do change, and some change a lot more than others do. So if you can accept his past, and he is a good man now by his current actions and words (including on SM), then I’d not dump him in your position. Most single people in their 50s have checkered pasts/baggage of one kind or another.

miximitoes · 24/10/2021 15:36

@Monr0e

What is the shocking info of his sexual past? Is it this that made you go looking?

It sounds like you've had to search pretty thoroughly to find a handful of posts you didn't like from 10 years ago. That would've taken some effort, almost like you were determined to find something maybe?

I can't imagine doing this unless there was already something underlying which had set my radar off.

Yes of course. I wouldn't do it as a rule. Although I don't believe anyone who says when they get a new partner they don't have a nose. Everyone does. But yes it was more than cursory. And yes because I feel vulnerable because of some of the past exploits.
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