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What is your most twisted story of gaslighting?

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ArdeaCinerea · 18/10/2021 14:27

This is mine, still haunting me, has come back to my mind recently. This guy tells me over the phone that he has new supply. I reply we should cut contact and I will drop off my copy of his flat key in the mail. He insists we should talk about things in person.

I go to his place, I want to give him the key. He says we will stay friends, so he wants me to keep the key as a sign of his trust, we have “a special connection” that he doesn’t have with the new supply or anybody else. He is very calm, I am upset and sad. I cry and I tell him he has treated me badly, none of this makes any sense etc. He doesn’t like that, so he starts turning away from me while he’s talking, I have to keep moving around him, otherwise I’m looking at the back of his head. I pat his arm: “Can you try to look at me while you’re talking to me?”

He takes a step back and yells: “I thought you had a fork in your hand and you were going to stab me with it! I was so scared right now!” There is nothing in my hand. But he continues to babble about the imaginary fork, that I have scared him, he has never been so scared before in his life. “You should give me my flat key now, who knows what you were going to do with it!” He says I triggered his trauma (he had all these stories of being abused and beaten by his parents and exes.) I give him the key, I apologise profusely for scaring him. I cry even more. He is very stern and aloof now. I ask him to please believe me that I would never hurt him or anyone. He replies “Never mind, I can’t say that, but we’re OK now, we can still be friends”. I leave in a state of confusion.

After that I kept replaying the “fork” incident in my mind, and cried my eyes out. The guilt over thinking I’ve scared him plunged me into depression. I kept thinking of that small arm pat and whether it could’ve been construed as a violent gesture by anyone, whether I am an abusive woman. Maybe it wasn’t a pat? Maybe I hit him and my mind is misremembering? Maybe I did have a fork? I questioned my own memories. Why a fork? Why a stabbing? Why would his mind go there? (It seems weird I valued his perspective over mine, but this was after 3 years of constant manipulation and gaslighting.)

In the following weeks he called me a few times, but I didn’t answer. I wondered why he would call me if I was so scary and abusive. Later on we spoke again casually because I was foolishly still looking for "an answer". Within 2 sentences he was inviting me to drop by at his place for a friendly chat. I refused and asked why he would want in his house a woman who scared him and made him think of stabbings? He claimed he didn’t remember the incident initially, then he shrugged. “It was just a feeling I had. You can’t blame people for their feelings. Why are you still thinking about it? It was fine, nobody got stabbed.”

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SnowWhitesRestingBitchFace · 18/10/2021 15:29

That sounds horrific and I'm really glad you're away from him now.

But what is a supply?

Yogawankonobi · 18/10/2021 15:34

Supply?

iklboo · 18/10/2021 15:44

I think he's off his trolley. Block him.

AliceinBorderland · 18/10/2021 15:48

I'm assuming narcissistic supply?

Feelingparanoid · 18/10/2021 15:57

There must be something in the water this year. My ex displayed similar characteristics. Do not doubt your perspective. You need to go no-contact. If unavoidable, you need to go low contact with grey rocking.
Just out of interest, did you notice a change in his eyes? My ex's eyes went sometimes blank, fixed stare on me. Like he was preparing for his next line of gaslighting/lying.

ArdeaCinerea · 18/10/2021 16:21

Yes, I meant narcissistic supply, sorry, I got used to these terms instead of e.g. "new girlfriend" because (regardless of whether he would fit a "narcissist" diagnosis or not) for someone like him people are objects, not partners in relationships. He's not part of my life now, but the memories have come back recently and I'm experiencing some renewed anger. At the time when I stopped talking to him I was not angry with him, I blamed myself for everything that went wrong.

Feelingparanoid he never looked at me when he was saying/doing this kind of stuff. His way was looking away/pacing around while speaking in a flat, emotionless voice, with sometimes sudden freakouts.

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Feelingparanoid · 18/10/2021 16:48

Glad you're free of him.

Alcemeg · 18/10/2021 16:52

Did he smoke weed? I've seen this kind of borderline psychosis in some blokes who make a habit of it.

Burnerphone21 · 18/10/2021 16:56

Farking hell he is batshit. You are well rid. Don't invite contact with him.

Greydaysandrainbows · 18/10/2021 16:56

I can’t really go into mine in detail. My ex tormented me alongside his family into thinking that I was worthless and better off dead for the children’s sake. Even when I catch myself remembering I have to stop. He absolutely tormented me - I was apparently suffering with pnd and anxiety causing by not being a fit mother. Meanwhile - and it makes me sick to say it - he told me and the children he had cancer, he told me he was in hospital having major surgery stage 4 cancer - he rang me and I rang the hospital becoming more and more hysterical as I couldn’t reach him - drive to say hospital meet by then admin and show they the texts he had sent about which ward he was on - so such wards - he made the whole thing up / my grandparents who were the only people to love me died from cancer - it was horrific. I phoned his parents that I was nc with about his cancer - they told me I was mad and they could see why ‘he left’ I screen shot the texts from him telling me he had cancer - total and utter mind fuck. They forgave him for the lie. I didn’t.

Burnerphone21 · 18/10/2021 17:00

He's not part of my life now, but the memories have come back recently and I'm experiencing some renewed anger. At the time when I stopped talking to him I was not angry with him, I blamed myself for everything that went wrong.

You need to keep talking about his behaviour - I think some of the narc power comes from not enough other people pointing it out x

ArdeaCinerea · 18/10/2021 17:11

Alcemeg He did smoke weed sometimes but he was mostly an alcoholic. However when this happened he had supposedly been sober for a while.

Greydaysandrainbows I am so sorry for what you went through. That is horrific. I hope you have peace in your life now that he is an ex. He used what he knew about you to hurt you in a targeted way, that's how people like this operate.

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DaisyNGO · 18/10/2021 17:52

sorry for the awful experiences here.

I hope it's all right to ask but it didn't seem worth a new thread.

I had a conspiracy theorist talk to me as if I was a child or a fool this weekend. Is that a normal CT gaslighting thing?

There's no future in this friendship anyway, I just wondered if it was normal. She has previously treated me like a perfectly intelligent person.

ArdeaCinerea · 18/10/2021 18:04

Another one I remember: I shared with him that I have some degree of "health anxiety", as in, I fear and worry about diseases and germs excessively sometimes. He replied kindly and thoughtfully that it's a common thing and I shouldn't put myself down for it.

As time went on though he started to insert "diseases" in conversation. Once he claimed he noticed something "wrong", like a bad mole, on my skin (I couldn't see anything). When I told him about an argument with my father, he said: "Have you considered that your dad may have a terminal illness he's not telling you about, and that's why he is so grumpy?"

For a while he also tried to convince me I may have an eating disorder. He claimed he had solved the mystery of my long toilet journeys (which didn't seem that long to me): I was going to the bathroom to throw up after eating. Which I wasn't. He advised me to get help for my bulimia, and he seemed very worried about me. I found myself in the weird situation of having to convince him I don't hide to throw up, and he would just softly reply "It's alright, it's not shameful, just get help, I had bulimia when I was younger". I would get more annoyed and simultaneously doubting myself: OK, I know I'm not throwing up, but am I indeed spending too much time in the loo?

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SofiaJessica4 · 18/10/2021 19:58

this guy is a textbook narc. anything you read about narcissism traits, I guarantee he will meet them. my dad (bless him) does that thing of walking away or looking away to avoid or ignore things that are being said

you had a lucky escape. run, don't walk

Pegsonstrings · 18/10/2021 23:37

My ex was excellent at gas lighting. I didn’t realise how bad it was until mn came to my rescue when I posted about an insistent on here. But sounds uncanny similar to your post OP.

anotherglassofred · 19/10/2021 18:47

The bulimia thing.... my narc was exactly the same. Went on and on about how long I took in the toilet and insisted I must be bulimic (I had lost a little bit of weight at the time but that was never down to bulimia).

And it gets you thinking - do I take a long time in the toilet? Do I eat too little? Nobody had ever mentioned it before. Then suddenly my hair was the wrong colour and my bum too small etc etc. He went from love bombing to finding fault on a daily basis.

I had a thyroid operation and he told me it was my own fault for wearing perfume. He found fault with my moles, like really studied them intensely and made me uncomfortable. I get checked regularly and he has more than I do! I also have another condition (inherited) which causes me no problems and may never do so but I am monitored annually. He googled it and told me he didn’t want a partner who would die early!

He also sent me to a therapist to sort out ‘issues’ that I never had before I met him.

He really was a piece of work and thankfully no longer in my life.

Clovie · 19/10/2021 18:55

My ex had two phones (one that I didn’t know about) and he had saved the second phone’s number in his main phone as my name. So when he messaged his main phone from his second phone it looked like I was messaging him. He used to text things to himself as if I’d said it and show it to me and shout at me for the thing ls “I had said”. I honestly thought I was losing my mind! He was a fucking psycho

youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/10/2021 19:01

My ex invited me to a party, when I got there everyone was a bit awkward with me even though we were all good friends and I couldn't work out why. I later found out he told them just before he met me at the door that he had split up with me but I was following him and must have followed him there as I had text to say I was outside (I hadn't, he invited me and I showed up on time)... when one of them finally told me this, I obviously confronted him and he then gaslit me saying that they didn't say that to me and "everyone is worried about you remembering stuff that didn't happen." God he was a cunt.

My friend's ex loved to gaslight her. He once turned around every single photo / picture in their whole home and convinced her she had done it. When they finally split up he smirked and said he couldn't believe he got her to believe that one, that it showed how stupid she is. No mate, it shows what a fucking psychopath you are.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 19/10/2021 19:03

@Clovie

My ex had two phones (one that I didn’t know about) and he had saved the second phone’s number in his main phone as my name. So when he messaged his main phone from his second phone it looked like I was messaging him. He used to text things to himself as if I’d said it and show it to me and shout at me for the thing ls “I had said”. I honestly thought I was losing my mind! He was a fucking psycho
Oh my god this is so fucked up, thank god you're away from him now. Gave me chills.
Clovie · 19/10/2021 19:09

He had put spy software on my phone, so everything I did, every location I was at, every photo I took he knew about. He would remotely grab pictures from my phone, send them to himself from his second phone and scream at me for sending him the pictures. This was after I had finished with him. He would also send me messages saying that he knew where I was and who I was with all the time. It was terrifying.

tigerinyourtank · 19/10/2021 19:11

My mother. My whole life.

Then especially when I had children. Would constantly criticise my parenting and try to take over.

Once, reading a story to my children at my house, she started screeching about how the book "wasn't suitable" for my 5 and 7 year olds. Over and over again, how unsuitable it was, how could we buy such a book for them.

It was the book of the U rated film 'the book of life'.

My mother neglected me, turned a blind eye to me being abused and regularly f*cked her many boyfriends whilst completely shitfaced with us kids in the house.

But I was the shit mother for buying my kids the book of a U rated kid's film.

Ok.

(p.s we've been no contact for 5 years and it's lovely).

bluetuesdayy · 19/10/2021 19:16

Boris Johnson saying restrictions lifting were irreversible and then acting like he didn't.

anotherglassofred · 19/10/2021 20:09

The phone thing gave me chills too.

Mine would lay in wait on WhatsApp so each time I went online to message friends or family he would spring up at the top of the page asking why I wasn’t messaging him. It was so creepy.

He would constantly message asking for photos and when I got around to sending one upon receipt he would message ‘you look wrecked’ or something similar.

My self esteem hit an all time low after months of his verbal and emotional abuse. Never ignore the red flags!

Mazblue86 · 19/10/2021 21:49

I was dating someone at the start of the pandemic who suddenly became super wary of catching covid. Then he decided he couldn't see me because I work in a school. I understood this to a degree but it was obviously an unfeasible situation. Then he announced we couldn't see each other until we'd been vaccinated. This was in Spring 2020. Then I was cross with him and said 'you've suggested a 12 month pause in our relationship.' He said that he hadn't. We went round in circles with him behaving like I was being unreasonable. I dumped him. Now I am married to someone else with a baby on the way!

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