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Can't or won't?

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Jeremyspoke · 04/10/2021 02:46

So DH and I have wasted yet another weekend arguing over the way he speaks to me when he gets stressed. Things can be 100% brilliant for us, getting on well, sex life good, work going well and everything peachy but then he'll (for instance) be running a bit late for something or have lots of things to get done in a short time so feel a bit pressured and it's like he switches on me. He'll snap at me, speak to me in a really derisory way, tut and roll his eyes when I'm speaking and generally display in his body language, tone and way of speaking and facial expressions that he's pissed off, with me being the apparent cause/target.

It makes me livid and hurt in equal measure and I don't hold back in telling him how it makes me feel, hence the wasted weekend, but he can't seem to accept that being stressed is no reason to be horrible to me. He will eventually concede that he needs to handle stress differently/better and I will get a halfhearted apology (which always has a 'but' at the end so isn't really/doesn't feel like an apology) but there's never any genuine remorse or sense of him wanting to 'make it up' to (or even with) me, he doesn't appear to care that he's upset me and will let days go by with me barely speaking to him (because I've withdrawn to protect myself from being blindsided again by him snapping at me when I thought everything was good) rather than make any effort to put things right between us.

He isn't the best communicator and I do sometimes get the feeling he wants to approach me to try to smooth things over but doesn't know how or is afraid I'll knock him back but tbh im losing patience with that as an excuse. The worst of it is I could forgive the odd snappy comment under pressure if he would just stop switching into Mr-Hyde-mode and looking at, speaking to and treating me like I'm his worst enemy and the source of all his problems and show a bit of remorse for the occasions when he does snap, I don't expect him to be perfect.

I have warned him that it's chipping away at my love for him, that eventually he will kill our marriage altogether but he just looks confused and says nothing in response. I can see it makes him miserable when we argue so it makes even less sense that he wouldn't a) try to stop the behaviour that starts the whole thing, and b) apologise properly and show some concern and remorse when it does happen. So is it that he won't, or that he genuinely can't/doesn't know how? It makes no sense to me that he would potentially let our marriage go down the pan rather than apologise so that leaves me thinking it must be can't but I couldn't spell out any more clearly what I need from him so I don't understand why he can't?

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Aquamarine1029 · 09/10/2021 16:02

You've been his emotional punching bag long enough. Get rid.

Orgasmagorical · 09/10/2021 16:06

it got to the point where I started writing things down or wanting to record our conversations because our recollections were just so different.

It's useful to do that, so you have a record of how often it is happening and see the pattern, also so you can record your side of the situation and know that you are right. I found it wasn't worth getting into a discussion or argument about who was right, it was never me. Or if it was I'd pay for it in some other way.

I found some old diaries from before the time I realised my then husband was emotionally abusive and it's quite telling to see what I've written "Richard was in another bad mood" and similar things. It chills me to read some of it, now I know the real him.

Greenleavesonsky · 09/10/2021 17:30

The thing is, it could be over anything, no matter how silly, and sometimes he would be right. So then I start to wonder - is it me? But he has admitted that he sometimes says nasty things intentionally to manage stress. So I think to myself if he'll do that and try to tell me what to do then how likely is it that it's me gaslighting him? I feel so confused by it all.

Orgasmagorical · 10/10/2021 10:37

But he has admitted that he sometimes says nasty things intentionally to manage stress

Most people will try all sorts of ways to manage stress - go for a run, hug a tree, see a doctor, yoga. But your husband thinks being intentionally nasty to you is a way to manage his stress Confused. Is that how he manages his stress at work? Is he intentionally nasty to his colleagues and bosses?

It's not you gaslighting him. If it was you wouldn't be feeling the confusion.

Jeremyspoke · 10/10/2021 11:04

But he has admitted that he sometimes says nasty things intentionally to manage stress

Thinking about it I think this is what my DH believes, that it's perfectly ok to snap or take it out on me 'because he's stressed'. I don't think he's self aware enough to see it as fully intentional but if he thinks it's acceptable behaviour it equates to the same thing really doesn't it?

I do get the impression he thinks that's normal, and that being stressed is carte blanche to be vile to me. The worst part is that he expects everything to just disappear and go back to normal when his stress dissipates and can't seem to understand why I'm still hurt and pissed off.

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Greenleavesonsky · 10/10/2021 12:50

Is he ever controlling, @Jeremyspoke?

pointythings · 10/10/2021 13:15

I think you need to view your feeling of detachment as a positive, not a 'my brain is scrambled'. If anything, your brain has been unscrambled and you are seeing your situation clearly for the first time in many years.

Do keep on building yourself up, job hunting and standing up for yourself. If your husband steps up and changes, great. I don't think he will and if he doesn't, you dump him.

Jeremyspoke · 10/10/2021 13:18

In very subtle ways yes Greenleavesonsky, he works really hard not to appear controlling but there are definitely things he doesn't like/want me doing and he can be very manipulative in the ways he'll try to stop me.

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Greenleavesonsky · 10/10/2021 13:59

Let me guess- there's always a reasonable explanation for why he wants / needs you to do something a certain way, and you often misunderstand? He can see why it appears or feels controlling, but really it isn't at all? And then after a short while it all gets denied again?

...Sounds familiar, if so!

I was amazed when my husband blithely admitted that he sometimes says nasty things deliberately to upset me / lash out at me (ie not in the heat of the moment, which is still upsetting but something we all do).

I thought to myself, if you can admit to being that manipulative and unkind to me what else are you doing?

I found this image he sent me once...rather sums up where he is usually coming from when I get upset.

Can't or won't?
Jeremyspoke · 11/10/2021 11:31

Shit, they've invited me for an interview on Friday! Swinging between delighted and petrified, don't think I actually thought I stood a chance so it's blindsided me a bit. Hugely worried I won't be able to face the interview (it must be 20 years since my last one!) then equally worried I'll chicken out on the first day if I do manage the interview and by some miracle get the job. I have IBS so worried about how I'll manage that around work too, mornings are worst so now I'm worried about what hours they'll want me to work. Oh god what have I done? The lady who rang sounded so nice though and I'm secretly a bit chuffed that they actually want to interview me based on what was quite a skimpy application, no CV, no work history (can't honestly remember when I worked where and most of the places no longer exist so didn't seem much point) so they're literally going on just my letter. No idea what to do, don't even think I have anything to wear 😱

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Hopeful22 · 11/10/2021 11:42

Oh wow well done you @Jeremyspoke !!!
Totally understand your fears but what a confidence boost. Is the job for something you have experience in ? Just do your best and see how it all works out , well done on being so brave and proactive ❤

pointythings · 11/10/2021 11:54

Well done! Just go for the interview setting yourself zero expectations. Treat it as an opportunity to learn how interviews go these days. And accept that you clearly have things going for you that other people see and take it as a massive boost.

Izzy24 · 11/10/2021 11:59

Just read your whole thread OP.

Fantastic news that you’ve got an interview!

@AttilaTheMeerkat said wise words at the beginning of the thread and I’ve nothing useful to add except to reiterate the suggestion that you think about counselling just for you. It will help you move on with your life in the direction that is right for you.

( re the IBS - I just don’t eat the night before an important morning and only drink water til it’s over. Probably really unhealthy but works for me 🤷‍♀️😊)

Anordinarymum · 11/10/2021 12:01

What I can't get over is the person who is being horrible and does not care still wants sex ! I bet it is really bad sex. I would stop that. If you can't be nice then neither can I..........

FlowerArranger · 11/10/2021 13:32

Congratulations on the interview, @Jeremyspoke!!!

Can you treat this as a boost to your ego and a bit of an adventure? Even if you don't get the job it'll set you up for a brighter future. Something in your letter must have really struck a cord with them. You must be able to figure out what this is, so focus on that.

And do a bit of research on interviewing techniques online. Pre-prepare answers to the questions that are bound to come up. Research the companies and it's featured staff members. Get your hair done. Check through your wardrobe to find the best fit for an interview. Something neat and understated - no big patterns. It doesn't have to be a formal suit. Look in one or two of the better charity shops if you really don't have anything suitable and money is tight. And wear smart but comfortable shoes Wink.

Good luck!!!!

Jeremyspoke · 11/10/2021 13:44

It's not bad sex Anordinarymum, it wouldn't be happening at all if it was. And it only happens when we're in the 'nice' part of the cycle, I shut down completely in that regard when he's horrible to me and it takes ages for me to trust him enough again to be intimate with him. That's part of why I questioned whether it's can't or won't in terms of him taking his stress out on me and then showing no remorse, it has such dire consequences for him as well as me (he struggles without physical affection, not necessarily sex but needs hugs etc much more than I do) I genuinely can't understand why he does it Confused

I've calmed down about the interview, I almost feel as though I panicked because I expected to panic if that makes sense? Like I've become so used to being afraid of everything I assumed I would be terrified if I got an interview so I was, but now I've actually thought about it I'm excited, not scared. It was the first one I applied for and I've had a feeling all along it would be perfect for me, weirdly I also have a feeling I'm going to get it. I do have some experience yes Hopeful22 but a very long time ago, I get the impression they're more looking for someone generally 'capable' and with the right personality than bags of experience anyway so hopefully that works in my favour Smile

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Jeremyspoke · 11/10/2021 13:53

Thank you FlowerArranger, oddly I always seemed to do really well in interviews (back in the day!), actually don't think I ever interviewed for a job I wasn't offered so fingers crossed I haven't lost it, whatever 'it' is Grin By some miracle I've found black trousers that fit buried in the wardrobe and am sure I can find a top, shoes also sorted so no excuses now Smile Will think about hair, was planning a fairly drastic change soon but don't know if I have time for that before Friday now, we'll see. Shit, I'm really doing this aren't I?

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FlowerArranger · 11/10/2021 14:09

Shit, I'm really doing this aren't I?

Yes, you are !!!!!!!

FlowerArranger · 11/10/2021 14:13

Oh, just one more thing: when researching your future employer (!!), also look up their competitors and identify the key differentiating features and competitive factors.

Orgasmagorical · 11/10/2021 14:46

@Orgasmagorical

You are rocking this, Jeremyspoke Star
I said it before, I'll say it again, you're not just doing this - you're rocking it!

Very best of luck for your interview, I hope your feeling is right. Fingers crossed Smile

Jeremyspoke · 11/10/2021 18:21

Thank you all for wishing me luck, I've been doing imaginary interviews in my head all day so I'm hoping I've thought about responses to most things they're likely to ask. The lady who rang sounded lovely and said it would be fairly informal so that's a good sign, I'm actually looking forward to it Smile If you knew me you'd know how huge it is for me to be doing this so it's pretty incredible that I'm not even nervous, I'm taking that as a sign it's meant to be Smile

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Orgasmagorical · 11/10/2021 19:07

The universe is due you some good fortune, Jeremy Star

BookFiend4Life · 14/10/2021 03:48

Hope the interview went great OP!

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