abduction - urgent advice needed

[Bjarnum]

My daughter has been struggling unaided with her baby and wants to come home for a bit to get some support. Her partner( baby father)despite staying out all night says this is abduction! She is really worried - is he right?

Any decent bloke would support his partner going home with her new baby to her parents for support...she isnt fleeing the country. If it was my DD I would drive up to get her. No doubt her partner wouldnt be suggesting to you that your DD is abducting his DC.

@Marjoriedrawers
Firstly, there's no such legal term as 'full custody'. Op has said that the father's name is on the birth sertificate so we know both parents have parental responsibility.
Secondly, leaving the family home to visit relatives and taking baby with her because she's the main (only carer in fact) clearly isn't abduction, in any sense at all
The father of the child doesn't get to dictate where the baby's mother is or isn't allowed to go, just because it's his child too- she has fundamental rights too as a human being to move about!
If she chooses to go live somewhere else permanently with the baby and/or end the relationship with the baby's father, she has every right to do so. In this scenario hopefully they would discuss appropriate contact for him to start continue to be involved in the baby's life.
If they can't agree, then the issue goes to court, for the the courts to decide on an appropriate plan. It's as simple as that really. 'Abduction' doesn't come into it at all.

@Marjoriedrawers take your misoginy somewhere else...

Firstly, there's no such legal term as 'full custody'. Op has said that the father's name is on the birth sertificate so we know both parents have parental responsibility.

We don’t know the background so if for any reason he has been given full custody or there’s a court order saying OPs DD can’t take her away then that is important to know else she could get in serious trouble.
I think it’s a relevant question to ask OP and I’d say the same if it was the father taking the baby to his parents too. It’s just to give OP the best possible advice.

@Marjoriedrawers

Consent is the key word I think. What happens when she is home? Will he be denied access to his child?

Assuming you read the same OP as I did, mum will get some sleep, granny will look after grandchild. It's a visit.

Anything else will follow if she feels like it, when she has had some sleep and support from her parents.

It is NOT abduction.

he can shout and bluster all he wants. He is wrong.

As are you with your 'custody' posts!

Is this in the UK or does your daughter live in another country and you are in the UK?

If another country and a chil involved I believe the husband can stop them leaving.

If the UK, then no not abduction as presumably the father could still see the child fairly easily without involving plane trips

@toocold54

Firstly, there's no such legal term as 'full custody'. Op has said that the father's name is on the birth sertificate so we know both parents have parental responsibility.

We don’t know the background so if for any reason he has been given full custody or there’s a court order saying OPs DD can’t take her away then that is important to know else she could get in serious trouble.
I think it’s a relevant question to ask OP and I’d say the same if it was the father taking the baby to his parents too. It’s just to give OP the best possible advice.

toocold54 is isn't custom and practice on MN to catastrophise - so let's just respond to what we know from the OP.

That suggests a relationships where the man isn't stepping up to the responsibility of having a new baby and feels entitled to do his own thing, including dysfunctional drinking.

The mother in question is exhausted and wants to spend some time with her family to get the support she isn't getting at home.

None of this is rocket science and there is no abduction involved. It would be a relevant question if there were anything at all in the OP to suggest there might be court orders - but there isn't.

@HalzTangz

Is this in the UK or does your daughter live in another country and you are in the UK?

If another country and a chil involved I believe the husband can stop them leaving.

If the UK, then no not abduction as presumably the father could still see the child fairly easily without involving plane trips

Apart from the fact that OP answered that question at about 10.30 this morning...

... her daughter is visiting her, with her grandchild. That's all. That the father has already started shouting the odds is indicative of his frame of mind, not OPs daughter

None of this is rocket science and there is no abduction involved. It would be a relevant question if there were anything at all in the OP to suggest there might be court orders - but there isn't.

OP started a thread asking if it was classed as abduction as herself nor her daughter (and anyone else she may have spoken to) knows. Most people know that not all parents live together so if OP is questioning it then it’s only right to ask the relevant questions like does he have full custody, is she going to a different country etc.
If it was the dad wanting to take the child away would you not ask the same questions?

It’s odd that anyone wouldn’t want to give accurate advice when they know that it could cause big problems if given the wrong advice.
No one has said she is abducting a child.

I hope she gets home soon OP.. good luck 🌸

If he partner is drinking heavily then I suggest she goes to Al Anon. There will be lots of other people there with a loved one in a well paid professional job.

Is her partner controlling in other ways ? I mean apart from threatening her so she doesn't visit her family . Because coercive control is a criminal offence.