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To withdraw from toxic friendship group ?

186 replies

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 10:08

So I'm 29, and am friends with a group of girls I met at secondary school , age. 29. Last year one of my friends , "left the group" as she felt it was toxic. She said she felt that both of us were just there to make the others feel better about their own lives , and I'm beginning to agree.

The queen bee married her childhood sweetheart at 22. At the time , because k wasn't in a long term relationship , I had a few more sexual partners than her. She'd regularly make comments to imply I was a slag, e.g. "I'm sorry, but your not discarded vagina is just not as sacred as ours."

However the marriage broke down when she was 26, ( she works at a university , she cheated on him with one of her 19 year old undergraduate students). Immediately after the marriage broke down, she signed up to dating sites and was having multiple sexual encounters, ( including threesomes), with men she met off the internet. She never apologised for repeatedly calling/ implying I was a slut previously, and instead went on to judging and making harsh comments about people she felt hadn't had enough sexual partners , ( she's now changed from judging people she feels have too much sex, to judging people who have to little sex).

Despite this , I was supportive of her during the time of her marriage breakdown. She'd ring multiple times a day, and I was supportive. Yet we went out for a meal with another girl in the group a few weeks later, and she rveeted back to openly mocking me for sleeping with more people than she had in front of the other girl, ( at this point, she had actually slept with many more people than I had, but didn't want the other girl to know this). I didn't say anything to reveal she had been having threesomes / sleeping with more men, as I didn't want to embarrass her.

She regularly gives the , ( unasked for) opinion that Lucy* , ( another girl in the group), "doesn't know how to be single" and berates her for getting together with her new boyfriend too quickly after s relationship break up. Despite this , she was signed up to online dating sites within days of her own marriage breaking down....

She regularly mocks me and Lucy for making "bad choices in relationships" but skirts over the fact her first husband had a lot of issues, ( he'd regularly shout racist abuse out the car windows at other drivers, would regularly shout "j , get the f out if my chair, I want to sit next to my f* wife" at group meals), and that she then dated on her undergraduate students.

She regularly makes comments about Lucy's tattoos being badly drawn and tacky, despite the fact she herself has tattoos.

The queen bee told her new boyfriend I had previously been raped, and he casually brought this up in conversation the first time we went out for lunch together, which left me feeling awkward. He regularly gives pseudo diagnosis's to members of the group , ( one evening he repeatedly told me I must be autistic cos I didn't look people directly in the eye, and refused to listen despite the fact I wa getting tearful and trying to explain I have a diagnosed visual impairment that makes that difficult). He also tells anyone that will listen that Lucy* had classic abandonment issues due to the fact her parents immigrated abroad when Lucy was 19.

We also have a mutual aquantance who has a mild learning disability, ( still functioning enough to work, drive , live independently etc). She has recently announced an engagement to a lovely man, ( I have met him), and instead of saying congratulations, all they can do is laugh and mock cos she had a broken engagement to someone else four years previously.
Am I right to just slowly stop bothering with the group ?

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Billybagpuss · 30/09/2021 14:28

I get that, but to some extent, ( and I'm probably wrong,) I actually want Aleesha/ Queen Bee to know they are wrong

Oh they know, but they’ve had far more practice than you at being a bitch so their reaction to your outburst will be hilarity and mocking, which is unlikely to make you feel how you think it should. You want to leave head held high with them feeling embarrassed, it won’t play out that way. Bow out with quiet dignity, you are the better person.

Good luck

Myfilterisbroken · 30/09/2021 14:36

I left a toxic friendship group myself, best thing I did

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/09/2021 14:40

@ElspethFlashman

Honestly I wouldn't go postal and throw truth bombs.

They sound like the sort who would tell all and sundry that you were a psycho.

I'd just leave the group without saying a word.

Exactly this.

They don't want to be better people, they don't want to be receptive to constructive criticism and they are never, ever going to be the party in the wrong in their own minds.

All that calling them out would do is give them a stick to beat you with tbh.

I would withdraw and just move on. Tempting though it might be to tell them who they are, they won't care and it won't change anything other than making them outright enemies. They sound so fucking childish they would start a vendetta against you.

You need to extract yourself from the group in order to transition to adulthood. I know you're nearly 30 and I don't mean that in a patronising way but these dynamics are so, so far removed from normal adult friendship dynamics that it's holding you back and you're all unable to grow past your teenage selves.

Free yourself from your bullies. That's what they are. They're poisonous and you can't make poisonous people learn and grow, it just doesn't work.

Withdraw absolutely and quietly and focus on yourself.

KungFuPrincess · 30/09/2021 15:16

So these women can talk about your sexual history, your trauma such as rape and miscarriage, and call you autistic and you still consider them friends? Christ what do you consider an enemy!

Walk away from these women and you will instantly feel better and get some of that self confidence that they keep from you.

You're not in school anymore, you don't have to put up with this shit. You are full in control of who you let into your life. Anyone who falls out with you because you chose to distance yourself from nasty bitches was never your friend in the first place.

Walk away and raise a glass to the day you took control back. Please.

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 15:41

Exactly. My other friend, ( the one that left the group), basically said, we're adults now, and it's only since we left that she realised how dysfunctional it was and how we were never allowed to move on from the dysfunctional dynamics of our school days.

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SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:46

The queen bee's boyfriend then chimed into say that "Lucy must have abandonment issues as her parents immigrated to Canada when she was 19."

Isn't there a Friends episode talking the piss out a guy like this (and anyone who takes him seriously)? Maybe one of Phoebe's bf's

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 15:47

Also, just to explain why I think the Queen Bee's boyfriend particularly has it in for me, about a year after he started dating Queen Bee, Queen bee went away on a work trip and found a used condom in their bedroom bin, ( she doesn't use condoms as she was receiving contraception injections). She asked him, and he said , he'd had a posh w*, ( he said he liked to wank with a condom on). She asked me, and I said I didn't believe his story, ( do men really wank with condoms on when they are alone ???), and since then, he has constantly been trying to discredit me, ( r.e. you must be autistic etc).

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SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:48

I agree you're neve going to get acknowledgment from them, esp Queen bee. Just do the slow fade.

Invent something that's keeping you very busy, very time consuming if you have to.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:50

do men really wank with condoms on when they are alone

Everyone mentions it on.here when condoms condoms found but in mh experience - no.

I've read men say they absolutely hate condoms due to sensation dulling and tourniquet effect so it seems really really odd they'd use them when walking voluntarily.

I think he was bullshitting her, he's cheated.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:52

My autocorrect really does not like wanking

PinkBathroom · 30/09/2021 15:52

Do not confront them - you will not 'win'. They are never going to apologise - they are, however, going to tell you, you are wrong and too sensitive and how could you say this to them, you're a psycho......blah, blah, blah.

Just withdraw - you're too busy, taking time for yourself etc. Much more dignified and very confusing for them.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:53

Unless you specifically gave her permission to tell her bf about your being sexually assaulted; that is a massive betrayal or trust and utter lack of discretion, privacy respecting and totally inappropriate. It a friendship dumping offence, she should have been dumped then.

Rosesareyellow · 30/09/2021 15:55

Well it’s quite clear that you don’t like this ‘queen bee’ - otherwise you wouldn’t call her that - so it seems like a no brainer.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:55

Generally she sounds like an utter wanker (with either a superiority complex or insecurity that leads her to act superior (I actually think the former) and so does her cheating, armchair psychologist, psychologist babbling bf.

You could be having fun and relaxing instead of interacting with these people.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:58

Incidentally some people would have distanced themselves over the co lleyeky I appropriate unprofessional behaviour which presumably could have lost her her Jo if found out about.

It indicates a personality disorder.. perhaps her bf should analyse that.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 15:58

*completely inappropriate

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 16:00

@SleepingBunnies21

do men really wank with condoms on when they are alone

Everyone mentions it on.here when condoms condoms found but in mh experience - no.

I've read men say they absolutely hate condoms due to sensation dulling and tourniquet effect so it seems really really odd they'd use them when walking voluntarily.

I think he was bullshitting her, he's cheated.

No I never gave her permission to tell him, although TBF , I never expressly said "don't tell him," which was why I kind of let it go. Tbh, on that one occasion I didn't feel she was particularly in the wrong as sometimes when you've heard something traumatic you need someone to vent to, but, I thought her boyfriend lacked some serious social skills to bring up, "so that time when you got raped..." the first time I ever met him, especially as it was at a public lunch in a resteraunt. If my boyfriend told me a long term friend of his and been raped, I wouldn't bring up , "so, you know that time you got raped..." to them the first time I met them. But TBF, with that specific incident I was more annoyed at her boyfriend than queen bee herself.
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pinkyredrose · 30/09/2021 16:00

Get rid of them and stop telling them things. They're disgusting specimens of humankind.

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 16:02

@SleepingBunnies21

Incidentally some people would have distanced themselves over the co lleyeky I appropriate unprofessional behaviour which presumably could have lost her her Jo if found out about.

It indicates a personality disorder.. perhaps her bf should analyse that.

Do you mean sleeping with/ taking MDMA with her undergraduate student ? Just to clarify, whilst she was clearly in the wrong, he was 19 and over the age of consent. It would be wrong of me, ( however annoyed I am), to indicate/ pretend that she'd ever had sex with someone underage, as that is not the case.
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SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 16:11

I caught that he was 19, I was referring to professionalism and ethics.

I imagine her job could have been at risk if I was reported.

Taking mdma .. missed that part. Well that's kinda stupid but up to her, she sounds like she settled so young and then did a lot of things you'd do when you're very young later, after her marriage broke down.

She's still an all round bitch and dick head though.

bridgeofslides · 30/09/2021 16:12

This is all batshit. But I guess if you don't experience much social turnover then your idea of acceptable behaviour within a friendship might become a little skewed.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 16:12

so that time when you got raped..." the first time I ever met him, especially as it was at a public lunch in a resteraunt.

He is an idiotic, inappropriate, massively insensitive wanker (best case scenario) of the highest order.

He'd need to diagnose his own issues, instead of other peoples supposed ones.

Judygiraffe · 30/09/2021 16:13

@SleepingBunnies21

I caught that he was 19, I was referring to professionalism and ethics.

I imagine her job could have been at risk if I was reported.

Taking mdma .. missed that part. Well that's kinda stupid but up to her, she sounds like she settled so young and then did a lot of things you'd do when you're very young later, after her marriage broke down.

She's still an all round bitch and dick head though.

Yes, she told him not to report it to anyone.
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IrishMel · 30/09/2021 16:14

Am shocked after reading this that you even bother with her. She is vile and emotionally abusive and obviously very insecure if keeps putting others down in such a nasty fashion. Just way away and believe me you will feel so much better in yourself. Too much drama and bitching and non-stop talking about people who are meant to be her friends. Wish you the best and do not feel guilty at all as she is pushing everyone away. Do something nice for yourself and keep in contact with the other friend who left. Sounds like a bloodywell cult from hell.

SleepingBunnies21 · 30/09/2021 16:14

He actually sounds like he does it on purpose, to make people uncomfortable and "challenge" people, perhaps to make himself feel powerful/superior.