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Redpoppies92 · 25/09/2021 04:37

I have a 2 year old and a 5 month old with my partner. Towards the end of my pregnancy with baby 2, my partner and I split for several months and lived apart. It was extremely difficult and isolating raising two children on my own, meanwhile my partners (ex at the time) life didn’t change much.

One of the reasons for the split was due to an inappropriate relationship he had with a female accountant who sometimes referred work for him. My partner and her team would go out for drinks, lunches etc. I didn’t like the flirtatious behaviour between them, such as pictures of him wearing her lipstick, the way they spoke on the phone. It was a contributing factor to the split. A few months ago we decided that we still loved each other, and wanted to give the relationship another go. It was around this time that she started dating one of his friends and he was acting weirdly jealous about it. When she found out that we were seeing each other again, she started phoning him up, declaring her undying love and that they would make a great couple. I just found this out yesterday and I have been having anxiety attacks on and off since I found out. My partner said it was a complete surprise and that he told her he loved me. He said he didn’t see or sleep with anyone during our split. I’m anxious that I’m not getting the full picture and it’s wrecking my head. I asked him not to do work with her anymore and he started saying ‘ok fine, but it’s going to cost this family a lot of money’ etc. So he’s disgruntled about my request but I fail to see why this work relationship is worth jeopardising our family and relationship for when he has other contacts who refer work to him.

My anxious head works in a way where I have to keep searching for information to fill in the blanks. I feel like I’m not getting the full picture. I asked him to call her in front of me to get full disclosure and he said for me to wait until Monday to calm down, but I think he’s just putting me off contacting her. I was able to find her number (no judgments please) but I haven’t brought myself to contact her because I don’t want to sabotage my relationship. I’m afraid that if I do uncover more, it will lead to increased anxiety and that if I’m unable to move past it, I risk the peace of mind I need to continue the relationship. If this happens, and he becomes available again, I risk this woman taking him for herself. She herself is a single mother to two children so I am disgusted that she would attempt to break our young family up for her own gain. I thought she would have more sympathy. She even accepted an invitation to come and stay for the weekend last year but I said no to my partner because I didn’t want to entertain people when I’m tired and pregnant. I feel sickened that she was going to spend the weekend with my family. Like she was sizing my family up to make a move.

I don’t know how to proceed. I realise a lot people will argue that if something had happened, my partner was single, but it’s difficult to move on from especially if he’s reluctant to end the work relationship. My stomach is in knots and I’ve been having bad anxiety attacks. A part of me wants to find out but I’m afraid of what I will find. Do I attempt to or do I find a way to forget about this?

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sjxoxo · 25/09/2021 04:44

@Redpoppies92 sorry to hear you’re going through this. I think I’d feel the same in your shoes & your thoughts are totally justified! I would ask myself if there was any previous other women apart from In this instance. Is there previous form from your DH? I know far easier said than done but I would keep calm and see how you feel in a few days. Yes get that phone call on Monday. I would insist to DH that in order to keep our family together, she needs total cut off. That might mean moving or him changing jobs.. if family is more important I would consider all options. Trust your gut. I’m sure others will be along who have first hand experience xxxxx

Redpoppies92 · 25/09/2021 04:49

[quote sjxoxo]@Redpoppies92 sorry to hear you’re going through this. I think I’d feel the same in your shoes & your thoughts are totally justified! I would ask myself if there was any previous other women apart from In this instance. Is there previous form from your DH? I know far easier said than done but I would keep calm and see how you feel in a few days. Yes get that phone call on Monday. I would insist to DH that in order to keep our family together, she needs total cut off. That might mean moving or him changing jobs.. if family is more important I would consider all options. Trust your gut. I’m sure others will be along who have first hand experience xxxxx[/quote]
We had a long distance relationship a few years ago, whereby there was some infedelity. He said this was a different set of circumstances and he’s trying to be honest with me. I don’t think he would do this now we live in the same country and have a family together. I really want to contact her to tell her how disgusting I think her behaviour has been, but I’m concerned that the backlash will strain the relationship

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Aphrodite31 · 25/09/2021 04:49

I know a woman just like this. Yes it's staggering.

Only one way forwards: total cut off with her. And no grisly details. She gets completely deleted. If he can't agree to that, no way forward with him.

THisbackwithavengeance · 25/09/2021 05:07

She's not disgusting.

Your DP was flirting with her and she made a move. Sounds like he led her on big time. You had split up from your DP and she probably thought he was single and hence fair game. Presumably, your DP told her he was back with you so it hasn't happened?

It sounds like you don't trust your DP and probably with good reason. But let's not blame a woman who doesn't know you and owes you nothing.

Redpoppies92 · 25/09/2021 05:30

@THisbackwithavengeance

She's not disgusting.

Your DP was flirting with her and she made a move. Sounds like he led her on big time. You had split up from your DP and she probably thought he was single and hence fair game. Presumably, your DP told her he was back with you so it hasn't happened?

It sounds like you don't trust your DP and probably with good reason. But let's not blame a woman who doesn't know you and owes you nothing.

No, her phone call was directly in response to finding out we had started our family up again. She tried to stop my family from rekindling for her own gain. She was well aware of what she was doing. It doesn’t matter that she doesn’t know me. That’s the same logic as saying it’s ok to sleep with A married man because he’s leading me on and I don’t know his wife/don’t owe her anything. It’s common decency and the shock that someone could stoop so low as to attempt to sabotage the family when two young children’s lives are at stake is frankly deplorable. This isn’t just about me but my children. Yes his behaviour was flirtatious as I’ve said in my original post, but her actions were unjustified. She should not have been accepting invitations to my home last year with the feelings she had. Common. Decency. The woman has no principles.
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ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 25/09/2021 05:37

Blame him. No point in focussing on her.

There are all sorts of people out there and it's up to your dp to act like someone with integrity when he meets someone who fancies him and makes a beeline for him.

I'd bin him. He's a creep. He'll do it again.

Redpoppies92 · 25/09/2021 05:43

He was apparently clueless that she had feelings for him and the flirtatious behaviour before was ‘messing around’

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Redpoppies92 · 25/09/2021 05:46

The point is also that if there is something there, and I break off the relationship, she is then free to pursue him and I will have to watch this woman be with the man I love and playing mummy to my children every weekend. I’m trying to look at the bigger picture here.

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ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 25/09/2021 05:48

"Messing around". Right. Completely inappropriate behaviour that upset you is dismissed as messing around.

Well then, stay with your dp. But if it's not this woman it'll be another one.......so blame her all you want. And the next one.

Hopingforabagofbuttons · 25/09/2021 05:58

You can blame her all you like, but he is the one in a relationship with you, not her. She owes you nothing, yes it would be nice if she was respectful of your relationship, but loads of people don’t care about that. They want what they want and don’t give a fuck if it breaks up a family.
You said he’s cheated in the past, because you had a LDR,that’s no excuse. He cheated because that’s who he is.
You’re putting far too much emphasis on this woman and her feelings and actions. Your partner can get on the phone in front of you and say whatever you like, nothing to stop him talking to her after and backtracking ( she made me do it, threatened me with not seeing DC if I didn’t etc etc )
If he’s jealous about her seeing his friend I’d wonder why, I don’t think you’re getting the full picture. I wouldn’t fight too hard to keep someone who had already cheated on me in the past anyway

DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 25/09/2021 05:58

No, don't believe it. Women don't seek out men with young families to disrupt the lives of small children. They might flirt with a man they find attractive, or respond when he flirts, and take it from there. Your dp is bullshitting you and you are falling for it. Lying to yourself and blaming the woman make it easier for you to carry on in a relationship with him, so he can help you raise his children.

So, this is your life from now on. You know that fidelity means nothing to him. Therefore protect yourself. No sex without a condom. Get tested regularly for STIs. Prepare yourself for the end of the relationship, just in case. Work, accommodation, savings - ducks in a row. Every day needs to bring you closer to independence.

Good luck. You are in a horrible position because of the behaviour and attitudes of a man. The woman is incidental. He has shown you who he is.

lynntheyresexpeople · 25/09/2021 06:10

I agree, she owes you nothing. Your anger is misdirected here. The fact she called and declared her love for him when she's aware of his circumstances tells me there's a lot that you don't know. It sounds to me that he has led her on, and completely messed her around. For all you know, he never told her you were back together. He could very easily have told her he's staying with you for the kids, that you're splitting up again, you really don't know.
I get you're upset, of course you are - but your children's lives aren't at stake, they're not in danger. That's an overreaction. You're desperate to keep their father with you, but from what you've posted here, he doesn't seem anywhere near as arsed about your family being together as you are. He doesn't want you to contact her for a reason, he's absolutely not the person you think he is. Your children will be better off if you split in the long term, if this is the kind of thing he makes a habit of. Being around parents who are miserable and arguing constantly isn't better than you being apart.

Hattie765 · 25/09/2021 06:22

I really want to contact her to tell her how disgusting I think her behaviour has been, but I’m concerned that the backlash will strain the relationship.

I'm really sorry for what you're going through but to be honest it's your partner's behaviour that is disgusting, you're directing your anger at the wrong person.

Hattie765 · 25/09/2021 06:25

@Redpoppies92

He was apparently clueless that she had feelings for him and the flirtatious behaviour before was ‘messing around’
This is bullshit, please don't fall for it.
Ghostsintheshelf · 25/09/2021 06:33

Your partner is the one you need to focus on. Yeah, the woman sounds like a knob, but if your partner was faithful, that wouldn't matter at all. He'd have ignored her and that would have been the end of it. His behaviour upset you enough that you split up over it. I presume you told him before you separated that it was bothering you, and yet he continued to do it? So he doesn't care about your feelings. Honestly, don't try and keep him because you don't want her to have him. He really isn't a great prize. I know it must be incredibly difficult with two young children, but it will be easier to do this on your own than to be having constant anxiety attacks because you know deep down that your partner isn't faithful. You don't want your kids seeing their mum in a constant state because their dad is a cheat.
This is not a healthy relationship. He should be your rock - especially when you've just given birth to his child. He should be doting on you, not messing around with other women.
And don't worry about the other woman playing mummy to your kids once you've kicked him out. She only wanted him because there was competition. Once you no longer want him, she'll be gone and moving on to the next man.

Buildingthefuture · 25/09/2021 06:42

I’m sorry OP, It sounds like there much more to his story and I wouldn’t believe a word of it! Whilst I understand your very strong need to keep your family together I think you actually do need the facts of what has happened, because burying your head in the sand and ignoring HIS part in whatever has gone on, is just papering over the cracks. I have no doubt he’s behaved like an absolute Twat but I also agree that she’s vile too. I would never, ever get involved with a married man; similarly I would never be unfaithful.
Get the facts FROM HIM, (don’t lower yourself to call her) then decide how to move forward

Tiredofbs123 · 25/09/2021 07:43

Read ‘how to help my spouse heal from my affair’ it’s really short and then hand it to your partner. He needs to read and digest this otherwise he will continue to be an unsafe partner for you.

I loathe other women, I have no time for them and I do know of several who got involved and pushed it with men with small children, so I completely get your anger BUT these nasties are out there it is your partner’s responsibility to say F off and show respect and love for his young family and yourself. Something he did not do. This is on him.

Tiredofbs123 · 25/09/2021 07:44

And I know you don’t believe a word of his story, and you’re right. Cheaters lie and then they lie some more. It’s cheater room 101.

girlmom21 · 25/09/2021 07:49

Forget about her. If you talk to her or he talks to her in your presence, she could say whatever she wants to hurt you, if your impression of her is correct. Why is her saying they didn't/did go further more trustworthy than him saying it?

You want to repair your family and say he does to. The only way you can do that is by moving past her. He cuts all ties. Blocks and deletes phone numbers, email addresses etc. It's the only way.

Then you need to decide together how he can rebuild your trust in him.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 25/09/2021 07:51

Wow he must be a real prize to have 2 women fighting over him .
I'd ditch him for this drama alone , no one needs that, least of all your kids .
He 100% slept with her when you were apart.

Move on OP , for your sanity

MsDogLady · 25/09/2021 07:53

You are correct that you do not have the whole story and that your Partner does not want you to contact this OW. He is stalling you.

First of all, he has form for infidelity/deception, and being long distance was no excuse.

He is taking you for a fool by expecting you to believe he was ‘clueless’ about OW’s feelings and that their EA or PA during your pregnancy was just ‘messing around.’

They clearly have unresolved feelings. He almost lost you because of his illicit relationship with OW, yet he is now balking at your reasonable request to cut her off. He is jealous about her dating his friend. She is distraught that he is back with you because he led her to believe they could be a couple.

You should be very angry at your H. It is he who has cheated twice and is making a mockery of you. It was he who actually wanted his Affair Partner to spend the weekend with you all. Proceed with him at your own peril.

MsDogLady · 25/09/2021 07:58

Meant to say: You should be very angry at your Partner.

allthesharks · 25/09/2021 08:04

I agree with others. I do understand why you would want to blame her. I felt the same when my XH cheated, I think sometimes it's easier to blame the other woman because then you can believe that there's something to salvage in your relationship. It's easier to direct that anger outside of the relationship that have to deal with it inside it. You're right, she hasn't showed you any respect and you would think that a single mum would have a bit more decency, but she doesn't and you can't do anything about that. You don't know how she ended up a single parent - maybe she cheated on her ex? Ultimately though, no amount of blaming or being angry at her is going to resolve the issues in your relationship with your partner. He should never be able to give in to temptation no matter what is offered to him. That is the issue you need to focus on. She owes you nothing. He does. Focus on that.

WhyOhWhyOhWhyyyy · 25/09/2021 08:10

I can’t imagine that she would call him out of the blue and declare her undying love unless they’d had some kind of fling while you were separated (or earlier). I’m sure he’ll just try to paint her as unhinged but I’m not buying it.

You mentioned a few times that you don’t want to break up with him as it leaves him available to get with her. The fact that you think he’ll leap straight to her in the event of a breakup tells you everything about their relationship really doesn’t it.

category12 · 25/09/2021 08:13

I’m afraid that if I do uncover more, it will lead to increased anxiety and that if I’m unable to move past it, I risk the peace of mind I need to continue the relationship.

Are you saying that you'd stick it out even if you found out he's fucked her?

Please understand that not knowing will not solve the problem. You may be able to squash it down for years ahead, but it'll always be in the background.

If this happens, and he becomes available again, I risk this woman taking him for herself.

An unfaithful man is not a prize to win.