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He's sneaking us into each others lives

287 replies

MissingOrange · 09/09/2021 16:57

My DP has a teenage DD who is always polite and civil but also very much Team Mum on everything which is fine, it just means there's a bit of distance. And her DM has no interest in me, which is good, why would she have? They split up years before I came along.

He has this thing about wanting us all to be close. We were having a nice evening in a pub garden in the country and he mentioned more than once that it would be nice if all four of us could be there together and wishing his ex and I could be confidants.

That wouldn't be too annoying by itself, but he tries to sneak us into each others lives. In my teens I was a singer and I used a stage name, one I've never heard since. I found out that his DD's GCSE artwork features my stage name. Her work was based around making album covers for a fictional popstar and he must have suggested that name. She would not have used it if she'd known the context. She'll be a bit weirded out if she ever sees my memorabilia from then.

Another time he came home with a few tops and said he'd seen them in a secondhand boutique and thought they'd suit me. I was touched by the gesture until his DD saw me in one of them and I could tell right away from her expression that I was wearing her clothing. He said she wanted him to take it to a charity shop so it was fine...

He agreed to check in and feed his wife's dog while she and his DD were away. I came along once because he drove there without mentioning it after we went shopping, and he was very keen to have sex on their sofa. I refused and he sulked.

I feel like saying that he needs to respect everyone's boundaries, stop involving us in each others lives by stealth, we're never going to be one happy family - especially with these stunts he keeps pulling.

I would like to hear opinions on this because I'm not sure whether it's as serious as I'm making it in my head.

OP posts:
Hekatestorch · 09/09/2021 19:35

Op you didn't mind the comment in pub about him wishing it was all 4 of you.

Do you not think thats odd? He is out with you and keeps mentioning he was wishing he was spending the time with all 3 of you, together and you were all super close. What benefit to him, is there for you and his ex wife to be friends?

I get taht sometimes exwives and new girlfriends and the dd can all become good friends, but do men really repeated wish this happens. That they become super close and and all go out as a family together.

The forcing you into going to her house, to have sex on the sofa is fucking weird. And him passing his dds clothes off to you, lying about it etc. Its all sorts of wrong.

Smacks of a man who has very odd secual desires.

You say he and his dd seem fine. It's because she doesn't know. I have a 17 year old and if she knew her dad (my exh) had tried to get his girlfriend to have sex in my house, in our sofa she would spot straight away something wasn't right with him.

I would also guess his ex girlfriend didn't make incest jokes. Who makes those jokes to their boyfriend and about their boyfriend 'ohhhhh he wants to shag his daughter....ohh how we jest'.

I am guessing she dumped him because she noticed he is fucking weird and is dd is possibly at risk and she dumped him for it. Or he is a porn addict, to the point he thinks the sick shit could be a possibility in real life. It sounds like he is imagining and then verbalising sick, bad porn videos that are in his head.

If so, and he can't help keeping dropping his sick shit into real life, it's only a matter of time before he does something horrific.

Loads of this sounds like the tag line for sick porn videos 'taboo....ex wife girlfriend and daughter' or 'me and girlfriend fuck on crazy ex wife's sofa'

YetAnotherSpartacus · 09/09/2021 19:35

Sorry but your last comment just made him sound all the more weird!

AnyFucker · 09/09/2021 19:35

Creepy as fuck. Glad you are offloading this loser.

NCBlossom · 09/09/2021 19:36

Boundariless people are not to be trusted I find!

My Ex did this. He would ‘manage’ me and his ex wife and step family as if we were pieces of a chessboard. He once seriously said that I should borrow his Ex wives boots, clearly underlying this is he thought they were sexy. Yuk!!! I did point this out though and he did bashfully admit it was crass. Still… he’s my Ex for a reason and not having boundaries is one of them.

But even he wouldn’t trick me into his daughters clothes or want sex on his exes sofa! Bleurghh…. He creeps me out from afar.

Disfordarkchocolate · 09/09/2021 19:45

Oh, you need to run. This is far beyond 'sneaking' and is full on creepy and disgusting.

NoNoThankYou · 09/09/2021 19:49

Well done, good move.

I'm curious now about what else there was that you're holding back, OP! Go on....!

GreyhoundG1rl · 09/09/2021 19:49

If he'd said "Do you want to go through these bags of clothes DD gave me" I would have wanted to because she wears nicer brands than I do, but I also have some pride!
Why did she give them to him in the first place? Are you sure he wasn't lying about that too? It's possible enough that she asked her Dad to visit the charity shop for her, I suppose. But given the other weirdness...

ClawedButler · 09/09/2021 19:51

Good luck for tomorrow. It's that old boiled frog thing isn't it - you don't notice it until you do, and then can't believe you never noticed before.

Miserly penny-pinching makes me drier than a silica gel packet in Death Valley, it has got to be the most deeply unsexy behaviour. Urgh. And that's without the cartload of bat shit and custard he's bringing along.

pictish · 09/09/2021 19:53

If that’s ‘just his mindset’ then his mindset is bizarre. Who takes their shaver to their ex’s house to save on electricity, except a complete kook? He just sounds so inappropriate and odd.

MissingOrange · 09/09/2021 19:58

I'm curious now about what else there was that you're holding back, OP!

Actually I made a thread about him a little while back about another aspect of our relationship (being deceitful, not respecting my privacy) and there were comments on that one saying "I can't actually believe this is real Hmm " so it's all a bit too shameful. Plus I'm worried I might be giving away outing info. He has shared stories about past sexual exploits that should have sent me running there and then. At least I'm in that place now though.

Part of the reason I made a thread is because I wanted to end it and I felt like I needed to have good enough reasons. Logically I know that any reason is a good reason, but he's exhausting to argue with.

His big thing whenever we fight is "the man in the street would agree with me" and lately I think "well maybe the man in the street is a wanker too" but I made this thread to see what "the woman in the street" thinks. Only I can't actually show him this or he'd probably make an account to try and talk you all into submission...

OP posts:
GreyhoundG1rl · 09/09/2021 20:00

Part of the reason I made a thread is because I wanted to end it and I felt like I needed to have good enough reasons. Logically I know that any reason is a good reason, but he's exhausting to argue with.
Christ, he's reeled you in good and proper, hasn't he? Confused

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/09/2021 20:00

I’m glad you’re ending it with him too. He sounds horrible and creepy.

NoNoThankYou · 09/09/2021 20:00

Fair enough, I was just being nosey, really!

You have made me laugh at the thought of him trying to bend the Mumsnet vipers (said with affection!) to his will, though. I'd enjoy watching him try...

NewlyGranny · 09/09/2021 20:01

Does he secretly want a harem? He needs therapy. You need really strong boundaries. His DD needs him to stop manipulating her. 🤢

NewlyGranny · 09/09/2021 20:02

Love that he's recruiting "the man in the street" as his flying monkey. 🙄

MarylinMonrue · 09/09/2021 20:03

After your update OP, it's clear the therapy angle is actually even more of an emergency. You made a thread about him a while back about his boundaryless lying and you're still in it? Time out to work on why you accept shit behaviour from weirdos before dating again, I think.

MissingOrange · 09/09/2021 20:03

Why did she give them to him in the first place? Are you sure he wasn't lying about that too? It's possible enough that she asked her Dad to visit the charity shop for her, I suppose. But given the other weirdness...

No I don't think so. If it was stolen I think she'd have been pissed off. Her reaction was more "Oh wow, you have to resort to my cast-offs..."

OP posts:
whatnextdandelions · 09/09/2021 20:10

omg what a creep, run away fast

MissingOrange · 09/09/2021 20:12

You made a thread about him a while back about his boundaryless lying and you're still in it?

I probably could benefit from therapy but I'm really in a good place. That's why I'm getting rid of him. I see a lot of this stuff very clearly now - though I think maybe it looks more sensational than it is. Maybe he is into that gross porn stuff someone mentioned above, but I don't think it infringes on his real life except maybe getting a thrill from trying to overstep boundaries. And I can believe his ex said what she did. From all the free therapy sessions I had to participate in (he can literally talk about himself for hours at a time) the end of their relationship got very unpleasant.

Anyway, I'm not trying to cycle back or anything, I'm actually very relieved to move on. I just feel a bit defensive about being told I chose to date Norman Bates Grin I can see why it was said though.

OP posts:
Inertia · 09/09/2021 20:13

I would be very worried about the safety of the daughter here.

GreyhoundG1rl · 09/09/2021 20:18

I probably could benefit from therapy but I'm really in a good place.
Sorry, but you really are not.
You weren't even sure it was as serious as you thought it might be at the start of the thread.
And you're 100% certain the dd has nothing to worry about, which is just perplexing given the revolting tale you've just told.

lottiegarbanzo · 09/09/2021 20:19

Part of the reason I made a thread is because I wanted to end it and I felt like I needed to have good enough reasons. Logically I know that any reason is a good reason, but he's exhausting to argue with.

So don't argue. Just leave.

Only I can't actually show him this or he'd probably make an account to try and talk you all into submission...

Best not to show him. But... just try it Buster! (it's hardly as if we're short of practice at deflating self-important, sad-sack wankers on here).

DontMakeMeShushYou · 09/09/2021 20:21

RUN!! Like the wind!

Seriously it all sounds very weird and creepy.

ShadyAF · 09/09/2021 20:21

Oh OP, I don't think you're in immediate need for intensive therapy although I'm sure we would all benefit from some.

I think you've clearly articulated that you were a bit low when you met him got sucked in and with people like this it can seem like alot to untangle before you are really certain of your decision.

Good for you for making a choice though, I often see these thread back pedal or go silent.

Practically do you have anything to collect from his or will it be relatively straightforward to have a clean break?

MarylinMonrue · 09/09/2021 20:25

I just feel a bit defensive about being told I chose to date Norman Bates

Hah, well I have a mouth like a cannon and no patience with shitty men anymore, I guess :\ I'm not suggesting your need for therapy is a 999 deal, but I do really think - given that as a pp has noted, you were asking if you were overreacting to this deeply creepy shit in your OP - that you really do need to figure out why you've allowed such a number to be done on yourself. I hope you never accept this level of treatment again.