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Inapporiate ancient uncle

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BordelDeMerde · 07/09/2021 23:12

When my brothers and I were kids, my aunt, my father's sister, used to do childcare for us. She would pick us up from school and mind us until my parents picked us up. We loved her like a second mother. (She couldn't have kids, so we were her kids, more or less.)

She's now well into her 80s and is suffering from dementia. She often talks about "her children" (my brothers and I). She lives at home with her husband, my uncle F (whole other story). When I visit, she knows who I am, and who my daughter is, more or less.

The last time we visted them was with my father, and my father now says he doesn't want to bring my daughter (his GD) to see them anymore because he feels that my uncle F has made inappropriate remarks that he doesn't want my daughter exposed to anymore.

Among the remarks my father found really inapproiate were "you'll stay with me tonight and I'll give you your shower".

F has never been known to be inappropriate with children in the past and was never inappropriate with me that I recall. I think it's just age-related dementia, tbh. He's 89 and suffering from bad physical and mental health.

I'm torn as to what to do. What F says is inappropriate, but...my child is 5 and thinks he's just kidding. He is just kidding as far as she's concerned...she thinks he's hilarious. He would never ever be alone with her.

F is almost certainly going to die in the next year or so. My aunt will probably live a bit longer as she's perfectly healthy, despite having dementia.

If F hadn't been inappropriate, I would be out there very often with DD..

How much seriousness would you give to this, honestly? I can't decide if I'm under- or over-reacting. DD hasn't a clue that what he's saying is inappropriate, and honestly don't think either he or my aunt do either.

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Lottsxx · 07/09/2021 23:14

Hun my dads friend was the same he use to paint my toes and act all sexual looking back it was bad x

SukonthaM · 07/09/2021 23:17

I think it’s extremely serious and you shouldn’t underestimate how much your dd understands. Whether he means it or not, your dd may always have the memories of creepy uncle x wanting her to stay over so he can give her a shower. Future comments may be even worse if he does have dementia and is declining. How often does he make remarks like this?

ANameChangeAgain · 07/09/2021 23:21

Your dad has picked up on a safety concern. You need to take it seriously. I get that she won't be alone with him, but she'll remember what he has said and process it when she's a little older. When
its raised you'll either be able to say "Uncle F said some inappropriate things that we all thought you needed protecting from", or you'll have to try to explain in a more do as I say not as I do kind of way.

SukonthaM · 07/09/2021 23:21

@Lottsxx

Hun my dads friend was the same he use to paint my toes and act all sexual looking back it was bad x
I think that’s what the issue is. Her dd’s old enough to remember exactly what was said and how he said it, but right now she’s not realising it’s being said in potentially sexual manner. In a few years looking back on this she’ll know exactly how bad it is and may even be wondering if he’s ever abused her. Imagine a child knowing that other family were present when these comments were made, but no one said anything and continued to make the child see this person.
BordelDeMerde · 07/09/2021 23:21

@SukonthaM

I think it’s extremely serious and you shouldn’t underestimate how much your dd understands. Whether he means it or not, your dd may always have the memories of creepy uncle x wanting her to stay over so he can give her a shower. Future comments may be even worse if he does have dementia and is declining. How often does he make remarks like this?
This is the very first time. But we haven't seen him for 2 years because of Covid.
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BordelDeMerde · 07/09/2021 23:31

@ANameChangeAgain

Your dad has picked up on a safety concern. You need to take it seriously. I get that she won't be alone with him, but she'll remember what he has said and process it when she's a little older. When its raised you'll either be able to say "Uncle F said some inappropriate things that we all thought you needed protecting from", or you'll have to try to explain in a more do as I say not as I do kind of way.
Yes. You're actually completely right, when you put it that way, Ok. I won't let her go out there again.
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HerRoyalNotness · 07/09/2021 23:43

Much respect to your dad for raising it. Maybe he is aware of other things to do with your uncle that you are not also.

You’ve made a wide decision to listen to him

DDMAC · 07/09/2021 23:44

My grandfather abused me for a long time despite my telling my mother the extremely inappropriate things that he was saying and doing. I couldn’t go to my father (his father) because he was doing it too. Please don’t take this lightly, just keep them away, perhaps visit alone?

DDMAC · 07/09/2021 23:45

Sorry just saw your most recent post x

DespairingHomeowner · 07/09/2021 23:57

Just to add : I think it’s the right decision as even if uncle F is never alone to do anything, the comments may undermine your daughter’s belief you can protect her, which would be an issue if she ever had a situation where she was afraid/uncomfortable around another adult (as might not tell you)

Well done on your dad honestly- not all men of that generation would call it

escapegirl · 08/09/2021 00:02

Better safe than sorry?

MrsG30 · 08/09/2021 00:07

Definitely take your dads advice here, I can see you’ve updated that you will.

I had an uncle who was once very creepy around me. I didn’t realise as a child. Looking back now though it sends shivers down my spine. He’s dead now, but were he alive, my DC wouldn’t be anywhere near him.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 08/09/2021 00:51

An extremely respectable man I knew started making inappropriate comments when his dementia started. It was more obvious later on. His family were told it was due to the damage in his brain. They were told to distract and redirect.

dailycaring.com/9-ways-to-handle-alzheimers-and-sexually-inappropriate-behavior/

BordelDeMerde · 08/09/2021 01:30

[quote PandemicAtTheDisco]An extremely respectable man I knew started making inappropriate comments when his dementia started. It was more obvious later on. His family were told it was due to the damage in his brain. They were told to distract and redirect.

dailycaring.com/9-ways-to-handle-alzheimers-and-sexually-inappropriate-behavior/[/quote]
I do totally believe it's because of his dementia. He was never like that before. I grew up with him and I don't ever remember him being inappropriate with me.
But my dd does have to come first in this scenario.

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BordelDeMerde · 08/09/2021 01:39

@DespairingHomeowner

Just to add : I think it’s the right decision as even if uncle F is never alone to do anything, the comments may undermine your daughter’s belief you can protect her, which would be an issue if she ever had a situation where she was afraid/uncomfortable around another adult (as might not tell you)

Well done on your dad honestly- not all men of that generation would call it

I am very grateful to my Dad...he actually said "this is the one of the most uncomfortable situations I've ever had to deal with it in life, but..." it's his BIL that he's known for 50 years, and the husband of his beloved sister, so...
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Plumtree391 · 08/09/2021 01:49

It's so sad. I think one of my worst nightmares is being 'inappropriately sexual' with dementia ever since I saw an example of it on TV.

BordelDeMerde · 08/09/2021 01:51

@DDMAC

My grandfather abused me for a long time despite my telling my mother the extremely inappropriate things that he was saying and doing. I couldn’t go to my father (his father) because he was doing it too. Please don’t take this lightly, just keep them away, perhaps visit alone?
I'm really sorry that happened t you. Flowers
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BordelDeMerde · 08/09/2021 01:56

@Plumtree391

It's so sad. I think one of my worst nightmares is being 'inappropriately sexual' with dementia ever since I saw an example of it on TV.
I think it's less likely to happen to women, if that's any reassurance?
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Kanaloa · 08/09/2021 04:40

I did evenings at a care company for a short time and we recognised that (if it was a symptom of dementia) it wasn’t the fault of the person being inappropriate. However, we still took measures like working only in pairs and not being alone with the client, because despite it not being their fault, it still can’t be left/allowed for other people’s safety.

Kanaloa · 08/09/2021 04:41

I recognise that it must be so sad to see this happening to your uncle though - but for dd’s comfort and safety I think your dad is right.

Shelddd · 08/09/2021 05:46

I mean if you really get down to it... everyone's behaviour is either the result of their biology or their upbringing either being abused or witnessing it.

You can really excuse away probably 90% of abuse if you really look hard enough. I don't think it matters if he has dementia, or some other physiological reason... it still damages.. and you still need to protect your DD from being victimised.

If his dementia (if that's what it is) is making him make comments about something extremely violent towards your DD... I bet you would stay away right? Why are you considering treating this any differently?

Shelddd · 08/09/2021 05:48

Reading that back... I think it might have read like I was saying there is an excuse for abuse in most cases... that's not what I meant... I meant taking that viewpoint to excuse it away is really ridiculous and it's not excusable. Priority always has to be making sure people don't get victimised.

OctaviaTriangle · 08/09/2021 10:16

Christ this poor man has dementia. Can we maybe remember that and try and understand how that has affected his brain? The op is very very clear that he has never been inappropriate before. This is what dementia can do to people and it's a tragedy

That said, of course you don't want your 5 year old exposed to inappropriate comments so it's definitely wise to shield her from that. Would your amity and uncle miss see her for example? Would they even know?

But some people on here need to actually educate themselves as to how this illness affects a persons cognitive abilities and best they in kind before taking about what a 'creep' he is.

And the first response is just barely literate Hmm

OctaviaTriangle · 08/09/2021 10:17

My reply is full of typos. Apologies! But honestly ... some people

Mischance · 08/09/2021 10:28

Well done your Dad.

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