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Is it possible husband could be mentally breaking me?

75 replies

lemonadecar · 27/08/2021 21:25

I just need some help working out what's going on. I am a wreck this evening, feel exhausted, can hardly walk, lots of aches and pains and a headache and I feel like this was all brought on by the way my husband has been talking to me and being around me for the past days. This isn't new, it's happened lots, but for some reason I've noticed it more this time. He isn't nice usually, it's a problem, but I am starting to wonder if I'm losing my mind.

He's been talking to me about little things and then sort of rewriting the past to suit his narrative. It really makes me feel like I'm going mad. For example he will come down and make himself a huge plate of buttered bread and then I'll remind him I'm cooking and it's nearly ready -- cooking something we agreed on and talked about, and agreeing on the time. He'll say 'well I didn't know did I - how could I know you were cooking' but the outcome will be he is remorseless. He'll eat the plate of bread and when I underline that the thing we agreed on, that I'm cooking, is nearly ready he'll say he's not a mindreader and then, if pressed further, say I'm controlling. But the thing is we literally will have agreed it together half an hour before

I just made that up as one example (although similar things have happened around meals), but he's doing it with everything. He is making me cancel drinks I organised with friends on the grounds that 'he's busy and it's the first he's heard of it' when I literally stood and talked with him about planning it in (we've got kids and so someone has to stay with them) which he agreed to and I can vividly remember. He'll then say I'm a 'fantasist'' and pursue his plans.

What is this? Why would anyone do this? I really feel on the verge of a breakdown and as if I am going mad. He is not struggling at all and is calm, coping (though starts it up again as soon as he comes back in).

OP posts:
lemonadecar · 28/08/2021 09:31

I didn’t mean trying to make sense of that, but trying to make sense of what’s happened to me and working out how to find strength

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lemonadecar · 28/08/2021 09:31

Sorry, still really confused. It’s like my brain is half broken.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/08/2021 09:32

Mine does this because he doesn’t listen.

I speak to him like a teacher now, make him look at me and stop what he’s doing. I then follow it up with a text.

It’s incredibly annoying but not gaslighting.

Mybalconyiscracking · 28/08/2021 09:51

Is it even vaguely possible that he is having problems with his memory, how old is he? Maybe he is starting with dementia?

legoriakelne · 28/08/2021 10:09

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Mine does this because he doesn’t listen.

I speak to him like a teacher now, make him look at me and stop what he’s doing. I then follow it up with a text.

It’s incredibly annoying but not gaslighting.

In your case.
lemonadecar · 28/08/2021 17:47

I have had a short time (12hr) away from him now and feel myself coming back to my senses, it almost seems unreal that ever happened. Thanks for being voices in the void!

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MrsMidgeMaisel · 28/08/2021 20:19

@lemonadecar you will feel confused and 'in a fog', it's what this behaviour is designed to do. To make you doubt your own reality , to make you feel like you're going mad and you're left in a permanent state of confusion, doubting yourself constantly.

It took over 18 months of being away from my ex who was like this and a lot of therapy to really be able to recognise how damaging it was. Like you I was doubting my own sanity, until I eventually left (my ex was also physically abusive).

I'm not going to say leave as I know it's not so easy. But your life will be so much better without this man, you deserve more, and you will regain that clarity once you go, I promise. Thanks

Lolabray · 28/08/2021 20:22

Gas lighting or he is suffering from big time memory loss!

lemonadecar · 28/08/2021 21:59

No it isn’t memory loss

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BeachDrifting · 28/08/2021 22:08

Honestly, rather than going through a painful, costly divorce why don’t you try one month of simple project management techniques. It’s surely worth trying? Get both of you google calendar that is shared. You can set it to email automatically. Add a magnetic chalk board to a prominent position. You even write on online shopping dates. Get an Alexa for the kitchen and office. Set reminders. This really is just a project management breakdown. I’d suggest you implement a foolproof system and if that then doesn’t work by Xmas you have your answer.

LadyLolaRuben · 28/08/2021 22:10

@lemonadecar

I have had a short time (12hr) away from him now and feel myself coming back to my senses, it almost seems unreal that ever happened. Thanks for being voices in the void!
Great to hear you got some rest from him. Keep doing this. Yes, you will feel your senses and strength coming back. Then you'll watch him gaslight you again but you'll know exactly whats happening. Dont rise to it but don't let on you know what he's doing.
fuckoffImcounting · 28/08/2021 22:10

Lemonadecar, bless you. I am sorry you are suffering through this abuse.
I hope you find a way out of this horrible situation. Flowers

lemonadecar · 28/08/2021 22:23

@LadyLolaRuben what is the reason to not let on? I wonder if I told him I’d spotted it perhaps he’d see what he’s done wrong

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madroid · 29/08/2021 01:58

what is the reason to not let on?

Because if he's confronted or knows you've rumbled his behaviour he will become more abusive. It's a control thing - he'll feel that he's losing control so will do something more extreme to reassert control.

He will not get better. He will let you down when you're at your most vulnerable. He will do the nasty/nice cycle. Read up on abusive behaviour.

NiceGerbil · 29/08/2021 02:03

Well he's either not listening to you or pretending he doesn't know.

His behaviour with the bread is very passive aggressive.

The fact that you are thinking on it so much means he's doing a number on you.

I'm making dinner. I'm having this bread. Ok fine. Me and the kids will have this. Enjoy the bread.

I forgot we were going out so cancel. Why? No worries I'll go on my own.

Etc.

How old are your kids?

NiceGerbil · 29/08/2021 02:07

I don't listen to DH. Yes it's not good.

I don't behave like this chap though.

I'm apologetic. I don't sit there stuffing bread down when he's about to dish up a meal. That's deliberate fuck you.

timeisnotaline · 29/08/2021 02:13

I’d do the whatsapp him every conversation, as a stop gap while I planned to leave. Be warned he will likely get angry or escalate if he knows you know what he’s doing. Smile sweetly and say that’s why I messaged it to you I’m terribly worried about your memory, have you seen a doctor yet? And do whatever you want - if you arranged going out go - brisk tone ‘well I did arrange it and am not going to let them down so if you forgot and didn’t read your messages that’s fine but we’re off now, bye.’
Try and take the matter of fact I’m just going to keep on or where possible the bright side of everything - in the cooking example it’s ‘ oh shame you forgot, anyway means I can have it again tomorrow night which will be nice after all this effort cooking, you can sort yourself out. Have you seen a doctor yet?’

timeisnotaline · 29/08/2021 02:14

Reiterate though this is all while making plans to leave! There’s no point staying for more misery wiht this man. Forget his public persona, that’s not who he is.

Smackthepony · 29/08/2021 03:09

[quote lemonadecar]@LadyLolaRuben what is the reason to not let on? I wonder if I told him I’d spotted it perhaps he’d see what he’s done wrong[/quote]
@lemonadecar

Because he is fully aware of what he’s doing wrong. It’s deliberate. He is not going to have an epiphany and say ‘oh thank you Lemon, I didn’t realise I was doing that, I will promise to change going forward’. Its very very hard to accept this, that someone is deliberately trying to F you up. You will see this plain as day in hindsight once you get away from him. I’ve been there big time. Believe me he already KNOWS what he’s doing.

Beechview · 29/08/2021 03:32

You know what he’s doing now so that will help you to stop you doubting yourself and to stay mentally strong.
Find a way to cope while you get strength to get out. If he wants to eat bread because he can’t read your mind, leave him to it. If you think he’ll mess up your plans to go out because you didn’t mention it, could you organise kids to stay with grandparents that night?
Start stepping back mentally and emotionally but don’t let him know as he will start ramping things up.

Pleaseaddcaffine · 29/08/2021 05:03

God I recognise this as going through it. Classic one the other night. I'm taking my dad away for joint hobby for 1 week in November. Me, mmm not your not had the 4 children for any of the summer as woke in the and are already going away for a week that really ain't on or okay to make evryone else pick up the slack again. Him, your being u reasonable and controlling and not fair. Him, I never said I was going anywhere I said I might as mum asked me, me- no you did, him-yes I did I said sometime at the en dof the year maybe. Me- no you said November. Him-no I didn't.

It sounds so petty when you write it but it's every conversation ever, all the time, it's exhusted and controlling and wrong. I'm exhusted by it after years of it. It escalates to lying about money about affairs.
Run op.

NeverRTFT · 29/08/2021 05:11

I endorse the gaslighting comments. And apologies but I haven't rtft, and based on the OP I only wanted to put forward another thing to consider.
It sounds like this is a new behaviour and the examples given all related to a conversation being had which was disregarded and denied an hour or less later.
Is there a history of Alzheimer's or dementia in his family OP?

NeverRTFT · 29/08/2021 05:15

@lemonadecar

No it isn’t memory loss
Ok, have rtft now - so sorry you're going through this OP but hope you're on the road to finding a way out Thanks
Blueberry40 · 29/08/2021 05:48

Make your get out plans and don’t let him know it. He is gaslighting you and has all the classic traits of a narcissistic sociopath from what you say. Whatever you do don’t waste your energy trying to argue or reason with him because wearing you down in this way is his game. Start waking up to him and hatch your escape plan. Good luck OP Flowers

GiantHaystacks2021 · 29/08/2021 05:59

Gaslighting. That's what he's doing.