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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Am i to blame? Is this cheating?

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Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 16:18

For some background, I’ve grown up being over sexualised, stalked, and assaulted many times. I’ve previously put up with a lot of situations I shouldn’t have, but the one I mention now is different.

Once I started college, I felt so low. I had no friends, although I did have my wonderful boyfriend, he had his friends and I knew I needed my own. There was only 5 people on my college course, including myself. One guy began talking to me and I realised we shared a lot of interests and we hit it off. We shared numbers, as I did with some other people on my course, too. I didn’t text him anymore than I text other people in the beginning. My boyfriend was cool with this, but just warned me to be careful as I was 18 and he was nearly 30, so there was a bit of a weird age difference.

Things got weird when, on a college trip, he had asked me to sit next to him on the way home. I did, as we could have more time chatting, but he started putting him hand on my leg. I froze, and didn’t know how to react due to this happening so many times with other people in the past.

For some reason, after this incident I carried on talking to him. We spoke a bit more regularly now and he knew I was very much in love with my partner. I told him I loved him platonically and he was my best friend.

For my birthday, he said he would take me out for a meal, I said yes as long as he knew it wasn’t a date and that it was just a friendly thing. I went to the toilet and when I came back to my table and had a drink, I began feeling very ill. I said I wanted to leave, his house was around the corner so he took me back there until my dad could fetch me. At this point I could hardly stand up and he said we had to have sex because he had paid for my meal and I owe it to him. I joked it off, and said haha you wish. My dad fetched me at this point.

He began talking to me about sex, and how much he wanted to have sex with me, and I didn’t shut him down, I just joked along or said something like “omg don’t say that” “my boyfriend wouldn’t like that” or sometimes, after a lot of pressuring, I’d say “don’t tempt me” even though there was no romantic or sexual feelings for him at all, I was just scared to say no and maybe a littl grateful to have someone who thought so highly of me. He asked if I’d had sexual dreams about him and I said “maybe ;)” even though I hadn’t, I was just scared to shut him down. I started speaking to him about girls, and saying I wish he would get a girlfriend so he would get the picture, as well as how happy me and my boyfriend were (although he told me I couldn’t tell him about that).

After this, what followed was a series of instances of rape/ sexual abuse interspersed with overwhelming love, affection and gifts. As well as him telling me how bad my boyfriend was for me.

I spoke to him almost constantly even around my boyfriend and for some reason couldn’t see what was wrong. I really liked him as a friend (NO feelings at all) and allowed him to push boundaries with me, and only just realised how disrespectful I was being to my relationship.

As soon as I realised how wrong this was, I left the college and blocked his number. Now, two years later I’m more obsessed with how I think I’ve cheated on my partner than the actual abuse, and I need help understanding what this situation was. Grooming? Abuse? Manipulation? Or just me being unfaithful?

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RacistAngst · 26/08/2021 16:26

You’ve been raped and groomed.

I’d also say that seeing your past, you would be better with some counselling to get your head around what happened and learn to set boundaries.

Have you talked to your bf about it?

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 16:32

Hey, thanks for your response, it means a lot to me. I have told my boyfriend, he says I haven’t done anything wrong but I worry he may be love blind.

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DelphiniumBlue · 26/08/2021 16:41

It looks like you were in some sort of relationship with him, but I don't know what you'd call it.
Write it off as a bad experience, a learning opportunity, but no point in castigating yourself. I 'm sure you are more aware now and would not allow yourself to be manipulated by an older predatory male. As an 18 year old, ( adult but only just) you were in a vulnerable position.
Hopefully you have tightened up your boundaries and know how to say "No" clearly. I hope you now recognise what situations are dangerous or inappropriate and can take evasive action. This is not about blame but about keeping yourself safe.
It sounds like he actually drugged you, but although your Dad saved you, you went back again - some sort of fascination? Can you recognise that feeling so that it doesn't happen again? I wonder if you can get some sort of counselling to help you understand why you kept seeing this man. You go into a lot of detail about the grooming at the beginning of the relationship but then the most serious part, the repeated sexual abuse and rape, you write about almost lightly, mentioning overwhelming love, gifts and affection in the same sentence.
You say that you didn't have feelings for him, but if that were true, why would you keep seeing him when he was raping you?
And now you are trying to make sense of this by looking at it through the lens of being someone else's girlfriend . I think whether or not this was "cheating" is the least of the issues around this. Is your current boyfriend saying it was?

minatrina · 26/08/2021 16:52

It sounds like after all the trauma you'd already experienced, you've fallen into a self-sabotaging pattern of behaviour.

It's a really common trauma response, but not a very healthy one. I really think you ought to seek counselling and therapy, but I do know that's easier said than done.

Do not think unkindly of yourself - I'm really pleased to see that you say your boyfriend has reassured you that it's not your fault. This doesn't define you as a person.

Past trauma makes you do weird things that you probably wouldn't otherwise have done. It takes a lot to work it all out, but you can and will get there, especially if you can access some professional help. I'd probably start with a charity hotline, rape crisis perhaps. I also personally found my GP to be a great help with matters like this, but it does depend on how good your GP is - all I mean by this is don't let one bad GP put you off accessing help.

I really wouldn't get yourself caught up with questioning whether it counts as cheating. The primary thing here is your safety and health Thanks

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 16:59

Hey, thank you for your comment. It’s really helpful in helping me break these behaviours down! My boyfriend doesn’t think it’s cheating at all, but I think he is way too kind. I think the feeling you mentioned was partly loneliness and partly not actually coming to terms with the fact that what was happening was wrong, if that makes sense?

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NigellaSeed · 26/08/2021 16:59

You probably need to go over this with a therapist, you clearly have issues of seeking others validation by replying to his sexually suggestive comments.

I have a friend that is so nice and wears her heart on her sleeve but unfortunately she attracts alot of creeps because she appears to have no boundaries. It's not her fault it's just some men see a huge target on her back :(

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 17:01

Wow, this is very very kind of you thank you so much. I wish you nothing but the best. I really agree that past trauma makes you do stuff you don’t at heart agree with. I know the cheating isn’t the biggest issue, but would you feel cheated on if you were my partner? I think the fact that I think I’ve been unfaithful is stopping me from getting help :(

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category12 · 26/08/2021 17:02

He was a predatory older man who exploited your vulnerabilities. Because of the abuse you have suffered, your "shark cage" was broken and he swam right in.

I would speak to Rape Crisis and NAPAC and start working through the trauma in your past.

category12 · 26/08/2021 17:04

You describe it as a series of rapes and sexual abuse - it wasn't sex you wanted, it wasn't being unfaithful.

RacistAngst · 26/08/2021 17:07

Seriously, I wouldn’t see a partner who has been drug raped as someone who has cheated.
I wouldn’t see someone who basically froze and agreed to stuff they didn’t really want as someone who cheated.

Your bf is amazing. Listen to him. He clearly has Lear boundaries and is able to spot people who are abusers. And to make the difference between being groomed and doing stuff by your own will.

Go and see a therapist. This is the best gift you can make to your bf (and yourself). It would also give him a strong signal that you dint want things like this to happen again (not good for you nor for your relationship).

minatrina · 26/08/2021 17:12

@Foralwaysandforever

Wow, this is very very kind of you thank you so much. I wish you nothing but the best. I really agree that past trauma makes you do stuff you don’t at heart agree with. I know the cheating isn’t the biggest issue, but would you feel cheated on if you were my partner? I think the fact that I think I’ve been unfaithful is stopping me from getting help :(
Honestly, no I would not feel cheated on. I'd feel devastated for what they've gone through, but not that I'd been cheated on.

The thing I really want to stress is that even if you had been cheating on him (which I am absolutely not saying you were, being raped is not cheating), you would still be completely worthy and deserving of help!Thanks

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 17:31

Oh for sure I have issues. I feel like I need to make everyone happy all the time, even when it goes against my morals. Do the messages I sent mean I’m unfaithful?

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Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 17:32

This is a really kind response, I definitely will be seeking help and thank you for your reassurance

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Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 17:32

Thank you so so much for this great advice. The way you put therapy as being helpful to my boyfriend too makes me want to do it so much more!

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category12 · 26/08/2021 17:37

No, they mean you were too afraid to express your real feelings and you were trying to normalise what was happening.

This may resonate with you, not the same situation exactly but it's about trying to normalise - thenib.com/trigger-warning-breakfast-c6cdeec070e6/#.j4i6ltxzv

RacistAngst · 26/08/2021 17:40

@Foralwaysandforever

Oh for sure I have issues. I feel like I need to make everyone happy all the time, even when it goes against my morals. Do the messages I sent mean I’m unfaithful?
No. It means you are acting out of fear. It means that you have learnt that some behaviour actually protect you. In this case, not rocking the boat and saying yes even when you want to scream NO. Those behaviours were helpful when you were a child/teen. You needed them. Time to learn new tactics to deal with that sort of scum.
minatrina · 26/08/2021 17:41

@Foralwaysandforever

Oh for sure I have issues. I feel like I need to make everyone happy all the time, even when it goes against my morals. Do the messages I sent mean I’m unfaithful?
I wouldn't say those texts count as cheating in this circumstance - the context is vital here.

Your story resonated with me quite a lot because once I was abused by a man who I did regard as a fairly close friend. After it happened, for a solid few months after I stayed on good speaking terms with him as friends, because it was a lot easier for me to do that than accept what had happened. I don't want to put words into your mouth, but do you think perhaps you went along with it and sent those messages because if you didn't, you'd have to accept the reality that this man you regarded as a friend was abusing you? Accepting that reality is a really hard thing to do

CorianderBee · 26/08/2021 17:45

I think you were a vulnerable young women who sue to her history didn't know how to put up appropriate boundaries and was therefore manipulated, harassed and abused by an older man who knew exactly what he was doing.

You didn't cheat, you were groomed.

CorianderBee · 26/08/2021 17:45

Woman due

CorianderBee · 26/08/2021 17:49

Also if your boyfriend says he doesn't consider it cheating then it's not cheating! He is the one who can absolve you because it's your relationship and boundaries that you are questioning. If he says that it wasn't cheating on him then you can let it go as it was not cheating.

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 19:30

Wow, that brought me to tears, thank you so so much.

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CorianderBee · 26/08/2021 20:26

It's time to forgive yourself now and let it go (you shouldn't need forgiveness as didn't cheat, but you're clearly blaming yourself). So breathe it out, try and understand how you can put stronger boundaries in place so you're not victimised again.

And then put it behind you (unless you wish to go to the police about him).

It's over. Your boyfriend is happy. So join him in the happiness. Let yourself be happy.

Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 21:05

Thank you so so much, it means so much❤️ A lot of people elsewhere have been really rude to me so this is so refreshing

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Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 21:05

This comment made me cry, thank you so much.

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Foralwaysandforever · 26/08/2021 21:06

Im so sorry my story resonated with you and I sincerely hope you’re feeling ok❤️ Your comment made me feel so much better. So thank you for that

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